Weinland’s Fickle, Mixed-Up God
Sunday was Pentecost, just two years on the Jewish calendar before the non-return of Jesus Christ. Being a high holy day, there was a bonus sermon, in which a few interesting things were said. I’ve provided clips of those statements in Flash players and with hyperlinks for iPods, iPads, and other machines that don’t do Flash.
Associate Elder and son-of-the-Spokesman-Witness Jeremy Weinland gave the opening prayer. Is it my imagination, or is he developing a bit of a German accent?
God seems to be all over the place now. First he says not to turn either to the left or to the right.
Then he says to stop, start, turn left, and turn right.
Ron loathes people who raise themselves up.
And he can’t understand why people would leave.
He offers a unique explanation for the purpose of the Swiss bank account.
And the absolute capper. It seems that several vials have been poured out.
The following is from page 133 of “2008 – God’s Final Witness”:
Seven Last Plagues The third and final woe that will follow the blast of the Seventh Trumpet is divided into seven specific events, which are called the Seven Last Plagues of God’s wrath. This wrath will be on those who still will refuse to submit to God. This wrath will crush the superpowers of Europe and China along with her allies:
Then I saw another sign in heaven that was massively great and amazing, with seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them is filled up the wrath of God . . . Then one of the four creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever. [Rev 15:1]
Now Ron didn’t say which vial numbers have been poured out. But in any case, he’s got things all mixed up. The vials aren’t to be poured out until Christ returns. Has he already returned? What happened to everything happening exactly as stated in his book?
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It’s no suprise that the children of this marriage belive that Mom and Dad are actually 2 witnesses and will die on schedule in 2 years in the J-Town. An interview of how they feel about that would be interesting. But even more interesting is the question “are they in on the con or have they simply been trained to believe in delusion?”. It’s surely a different world they grew up in and live in now. What comes to my mind is how they cope with it 5 years from now. How do they look back on the failure of the church and thier own Mon and Dad and cope with it? If they are part of the Con then they simply smile on the memory of such a long and propsurous con, but if they have drank from the heady cup of delusion then it will be a hard knock to see all the memories of thier Dad and his churh’s to be bad. All those sermons growing up to be lies. All Mom’s hard work only to end up failing with no chance of success over all those years because they where deluded. To know that Mom & Dad where insane, lieing, false…
Of course if they invested thier ill gotten gains of the Con they can simply toaste Mom’s and Dad’s hard work that gained them thier money in the years to come long after this whole Great Tribulation hoax has gone by.
Go figure?
It’s amazing how deluded he is. It’s like listening to a mad man (well, he IS a mad man). I really believe that he has no idea what he is saying. He’s just going off at the mouth, not caring how much he contradicts himself, how much he piles one lie on top of another. The power he has given himself has made him delirious. He has shown NOTHING to back up what he says. He’s been PROVEN to be false. It’s so sad that those people sit there and listen to that drivel.
Two years. He’s got his sheeple believing that Jesus is returning in 2 years. He still believes that we are well into the great tribulation. They are in a bubble floating in the midst of delusion, and when that bubble pops, they will all fall hard on the rocks of reality. Then what? Oh sheesh. It’s heart breaking.
He loathes people who raise themselves up? Of course he does! He has raised himself up as high as he can go and not be Jesus. He wouldn’t want someone to challenge him. Ah sheesh. It’s like listening to Lex Luther on “Superman”, or any other villain on a “good vs. evil” scenario.
I just shake my head in sadness.
From the short clips it is very clear that this sick man doesn’t have a clue what he is saying. He is running out of ways to keep his little flock interested. He seems to be talking in circles and doesn’t make any sense. Is it just me or does it sound like more people are leaving than coming in to PKG? If that is the case it would warm my heart that some in the flock are starting to think for themselves again.
If Jesus has already returned, then are Ron and other Ron already dead?
I’d like to see him spiritualize away his own death. “We died, uhhhh, spiritually. It’s a spiritual thing.”
YES! I AGREE! You have died spiritually.
The island WAS real, they didn’t all die in the plane crash. Ron took over from Hurley/Ben to protect the island.
Man, maybe I am in a flash-sideways.
“Then he says to stop, start, turn left, and turn right. “
Maybe the Hokey Pokey really IS what it’s all about…
Hokey Pokey—-Perfect!! I love it.
Listening to this lunatic is kind of scary. He’s so delusional, what if he decides to…. Nah, I can’t even say it.
It sounds like Rons whole sermon was dedicated to Mikes blog……he tells everyone else not to visit it but it is ok for him?…it is clear to me that from this and many other sermons Ron is a regular here…perhaps he has posted…i would be surprised if he has visited as often as it seems he has and had the strength to not post a reply
“what if he decides to…. Nah, I can’t even say it”
Nah ron aint dangerous in the physical sense…he is a certified cupcake so no worries there
At what point does this delusional son-of-a-bitch Ron start to believe his own crap?
Armstrong went through this process also as an attempt to justify his illegal and immoral behavior.
Better to be poor and wise than an old foolish false prophet who no longer knows how to take warning that the day will come that his wealth, possessions and honor will be but part of a memory as he spends his last days in jail instead of an asylum. And that day WILL come.
Oh, I think he believes his own crap already. In fact, I think he himself is the first person whom he’s deluded.
I’m not sure I detected an accent during Jeremy’s prayer – What I did detect was the heavy ‘sigh’ while saying “we know what this day pictures”.
Maybe he is getting tired of waiting to see things happen.
Re: Ron’s ‘why people leave’ – he refuses to acknowledge that people are leaving because events are not happening all around as predicted
Did I hear Ron say that they put money in Switzerland and then brought it back out again?
Ronald – give it up – you are having trouble keeping your story straight – that the thing about truth – it just is, so it is easy to recall –
To be a good liar, you have to be able to remember your lies – You are so wound up in the lies, you can’t keep them all straight
If there’s a German accent, it’s only a hint of one. Since my grandmother came from Germany and spoke with a heavier accent, I may be more attuned to it.
Ron claimed in December of 2008 that he was bringing his Swiss funds back. With the IRS hot on his tail and his mentioning of the Swiss account during a 2008 FoT sermon, I see that a legal maneuver to try to control the damage. As was his recent release of the December 2002 sermon.
“Nah ron aint dangerous in the physical sense…he is a certified cupcake so no worries there”.
Exactly right as his foray into Canada prooved… ran away from a comedian. A comedian? Ran out of the buidling, the city, the state and the country. We are talking “RAN” far away so as to not come into conflict with a “comedian”.
Brave enough to be dangerous? You make the call.
But could Ron and the miss’s manage, if delusional enough, to pull thier own cork in J-Town 2 years from now?
For everyone deciding that they are con artists the answer is obvious. For those wondering how delusional he and the little, diamond ring ladden, lady are the answer is up in the air. Stranger things have happened…
But I for one believe Ron is way to much of a coward for such an act and in fact is way to much the Con-Man to ever contemplate it. Give you life up for your belief in Gods? How would that further the Con?
Go figure?
Whispers said…
“Give you life up for your belief in Gods? How would that further the Con?”
Reminds me of another cult leader, in which the opinion is that he is a psychopath. Very possible Ron might be in that camp. Some people don’t allow their conscious to steer them into right actions.
As Becker noted: “The church of gods has supplied an endless supply of rotting garbage for decades now, and soon, before we know it, a century will have gone by–waste in every sense of the word.”
And the time is coming that RW’s little circus of horrors, with all the excrement it has produced, will also come to its end. His books will fallow at the dollar store with no takers in sight.
Hey James
Yep, some wayward minsters out thier have the guts to stand up, even through they are quite crazy, and keep to thier word regardless of earthly cost.
But this is not Ron Weinland. Ron has enough backbone to condemn people from a distance, brow beat his indoctrinated flock in person, and spew forth a pack of lies from the safety of a hotel room onto the net but that is about it.
Ron used to be, IMO, very delusional as his books and serman’s revealed as he did not know how to con people correctly and said thinks that would come back to bedevil himself, “Three Weeks” ring a bell?
But his is a Con Man in training and he has indeed learned. His delusion lives on but plays second fiddle now to his Con-Artist life. Note that he does not make anymore obvious self trapping statements like he used to. He does not mention these old problems or all the people he is afraid of or all the failures of his book etc… He just avoids the whole thing, and this is a good move for a Con-Artists.
But as Con-Men go Ron is mediocre at his best and pathetic at worst. He has such a long way to go to make the profession proud. But he does live good and has a 300 +/- hooked crowd to support him.
I firmly think that Ron has not a shred of self sacrifice in him at the moment. He would have to self sacrafice big to make his physical death in the J-Town come true, as well as take out his wife.
Ron is Con now, learning the trade for a better retirement. He would have to make a simply huge about face when he gets closer to the end of his timeline 2.1 & become very delusional indeed.
But it has happened before… the wife would not like it at all me things, diamond rings don’t make an impact upon a dead person lying in the streets.
Go figure?
Delusional? Hardly.
“Reminds me of another cult leader, in which the opinion is that he is a psychopath. Very possible Ron might be in that camp.”
Nah. If he was, something untoward would have happened, after the first timeline failed, April 17th, 2008. As it is, we’re over two years past THAT failed “start of the great tribulation”, and PKG members are still being exhorted to “stay, pray, pay, and obey all that I say”; especially in light of Weinland’s promise to stop preaching if, by June 8, 2008, there was not great destruction and death…by his own words, he may be “insane”, but I maintain the man is crazy like a fox. If he did believe everything he said, there would have clearly been a crisis of conscience reached, when the first timeline failed, and his prophecies were proven to be false.
As it is, just like his mentor Armstrong, Weinland keeps on tickin’.