Thomas From Missouri

False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke from Denver on Saturday.  He announced the ordinations of two new associate elders: Travis and Debra Luksich from New Mexico.  Maybe Ron will also learn to pronounce their last name correctly.  Also, a previously unannounced associate elder was being promoted to full elder and placed over the area of parts of several states in the area around western Kansas.  New elder Scott Cameron is also Ron’s brother-in-law, having married Ron’s youngest sibling Kristina.  Interesting that no ordination has been announced for Kristina, despite having her been baptized before her niece & senior elder Audra and like Audra having a career in finance.

Ron answered an email asking if oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is the 2nd Trumpet.  His reply is that it is not since everything in the book will happen as stated (never mind that the demise of the US was to have happened by June of last year, and that the book states that the First Trumpet is the destruction of vegetation, not the destruction of money), but that the oil spill is a Thunder.  He did not state which Thunder it is.  It’s not #1 (war), #2 (earthquake), #3 (weather), #4 (economy), or #5 (death of ministers, celebrities, and epidemics).  Certainly not #6 (publicity of Ron) or #7 (revelation of Ron’s version of God).  Perhaps Ron will clarify this point next week?

Ron tried out his PA system, but had to turn it off because it echoed.  Ron does not normally speak to groups large enough to require sound amplification and such was the case in Denver.  Maybe he thinks it really will be required in the future for the hordes of people who will demand to hear him when his prophecies finally, finally materialize.

The sermon series about the crucifixion of Christ is finally ended.  Ron discussed how the Jews mocked Christ, even though he healed.  This almost in the same breath as discussing those who mock him and his nonsense.  Ron, have you healed anybody lately?  His will be a short work at the end just before May 23, 2012 when he is killed in the streets of Jerusalem.  I agree that it will be a short work, as zero is pretty short.

According to Ron, whether or not his prophecies have come to pass are not grounds for belief — he has to say this because I and others continue mocking despite the death curse he issued against us 71 weeks ago.  He has now diverted this to believing him because he has truth about the sabbath and holy days, which God just puts in your mind.  To which I respond (1) is it only God who can put something in your mind, and (2) there are hundreds of groups, Armstrongite and not who believe in the sabbath and other such stuff.  Why pick someone whose prophecies for certain events at certain times have failed miserably and consistently?  Be a doubting Thomas from Missouri, the show-me state.

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  • Steve says:

    “The oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is not the 2nd Trumpet”

    Mike, did ron say this oil situation is the 2nd trumpet? or are you just making a statement for those who may like to make themselves believe any serious news event is fulfilling the prophecy?

  • angel says:

    Many people testify of hearing/seeing things from an invisible/spiritual realm, this is not just something that comes from religious people, so for the sake of discussion an invisible being could claim to be anyone. Recently my brother and his girlfriend told me they’ve seen “someone” in their home – a guy in a blue Hawaiian shirt. He just watches them, they say; hasn’t done anything or tried to speak to them so they figure as long as he doesn’t mess with them they won’t mess with him. They’re not religious, nor particularly spiritual, but apparently open-minded enough to admit they’re seeing something out of the ordinary. I don’t tell them what I think it is because they’re not open-minded enough to hear a biblical perspective so I have to respect that.

    Ron has decided he’s hearing from God even though he has nothing, not even (and especially not) God’s word, to support that idea. Since he refuses to test it, it’s no surprise that he won’t let go of it even though he’s failed to make an accurate prediction; he ignores the warnings and commands regarding false prophets so he’s completely vulnerable to listening to the lies that come to his mind. Whether these lies come from his own imagination or lying spirits makes no difference to the fact that the Bible makes no allowance for failed prophecies – period.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I needed to clarify the post and did so. He stated that the oil spill is NOT the 2nd trumpet but is a Thunder. Trying to figure out which one it could be.

  • rj says:

    actually Ron did say what thunder the oil spill was. He said it would have a great economic impact

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    From page 97-98 of “2008 GFW””

    The Fourth Thunder
    Each one of the previous prophetic thunders will have an impact on the fourth thunder. The result of nations fighting terrorism and engaging in war, along with the devastation caused by earthquakes and the destructiveness from weather, will place a greater burden on a crushing global economy. #4 The Fourth Thunder is global economic upheaval.

    Didn’t read anything in there about oil spills. The oil spill could have an economic impact, even so it would not be the 4th thunder, just another thunder that helps create it. So which of the other 6 thunders is it?

  • Karen Mustard says:

    Call me Thomas. 🙂 Thunder Shmunder… I hope eventually his followers see the 3 1/2 years are ticking by and the GREAT tribulation isn’t happening…

  • Atrocious says:

    I just read Stephen King’s latest book “Under the Dome”. Now THAT is a great tribulation (for that town, anyway). Nope, the air is pure this morning, the sun is shining, the grass is very green and the flowers are blooming, the birds are singing. The school bus picked up the neighborhood children this morning. All is well. Nothing out of the ordinary…either here or in the rest of the world. Oh wait! Is that a thunder I hear? Nah…it’s just a truck unloading some lumber, and a backhoe in the distance…

  • Steve says:

    Well it looks like helpinusoon ran out of steam …although i am sure if he reads this he will be tempted to speak lol

  • rj says:

    Mike,
    You’re being nitpicky, you know full well that this oil spill is a disaster that is going to be very costly. Just because 2008 GFW doesn’t mention oil spills directly doesn’t mean that it’s not an economic thunder. On page 98, at the bottom of the page, it says: Add to all these economic woes the problem of trade deficits, money manipulation, volatile oil markets, AND A LIST OF OTHER GLOBAL AILMENTS; and you have a sure formula for global economic upheaval

    On the news yesterday, I heard that this oil spill could be more costly than hurricane Katrina

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    rj, you’re stretching.

    While the effects of the oil spill should not be minimized, it is NOT a global ailment. And the “global ailments” that Ron mentioned were economic ailments, not disasters whether natural or man-made. If you’ll re-read Ron’s book which I quoted, the disasters he mentioned as having an impact were NOT part of the 4th thunder, they were separate thunders.

    The only thunder with a man-made aspect is the first thunder, which are deliberate hostile acts. The oil spill is man-made, but an accident unless and until you have proof that it is not.

  • angel says:

    I have this mental picture of helpingusoon with a muzzle on – don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying he’s a dog, I’m just saying I think someone didn’t want him making any more noise.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I also wonder about Aaron Robinson. He was attempting to hook up with PKG, I wonder if Johnny Harrell told him to get off the Internet. It’s 3 weeks tomorrow since he made an appearance, even on his own blog.

    Dominic/helpingusoon refused to venture out to other pages on my blog, and only visited the one post. After I put up new posts and the commenting moved on to them, there was no one left on that post to debate with him. But it’s quite possible that his elder Don Edwards put the muzzle on him.

  • todd says:

    i was waiting for aaron to comment on my comments left on his blog…he didn’t but my comments are now gone.
    hurt the one feeling i have left….LOL

  • Deb says:

    I also noticed that Aaron ‘disappeared’ suddenly – Since he was so verbose in his expressions & opinions, I figured he was ‘instructed’ to stop
    his internet activities as well.

    This link I have provided has been an interesting read for me and has helped me see my possible motivations for becoming involved in WCG
    back in the 80’s and then my short-lived PKG experience @ beginning of 2008. The ability for me to see PKG for what it was after a few short months
    helps me reflect upon my own personal growth and ‘recovery’.

    http://www.deikman.com/wrong.html

  • Atrocious says:

    The second paragraph of the link you provided, Debbie, is indeed, point by point, what PKG is. Good article, by the way.

    I don’t think we will see Helpingusoon or Aaron again unless they actually leave the cult and come to their senses. I hope they do, and if and when that happens, I hope they come back and let us know.

  • Baywolfe says:

    “On the news yesterday, I heard that this oil spill could be more costly than hurricane Katrina”

    Especially if your name is “British Petroleum”!

  • angel says:

    This oil spill is bad news for everyone; no one would have wanted something like this to happen. I’m from the South, and the fishing industry is taking a hard hit. BP is not just a corporation; they employ many people who also stand to be affected by this. Let’s hope for the best outcome and pray for those in need.

  • RK says:

    Like Atrocious, I also hope that, if Aaron Robinson and Helpingusoon ever come to their senses, that they will come back onto this blog and tell everybody exactly how and when the light finally turned on.

    It would be interesting to hear the specifics on what actually changed their mind (if that happens) and compare it to the experience of those who have already been there and done that, to see if there is any difference at all.

    I would think that it will probably be pretty much for the same reasons, namely, failed prophecies. I thought I heard both Aaron and Dominic say that if Christ doesn’t return by 2012, they will know that Ron is false.

    And that would raise the question: why didn’t Ron’s previous failed prophecies turn on the light?

  • Steve says:

    “I don’t think we will see Helpingusoon or Aaron again ”

    Possibly not, but i think they will definately be readin posts from time to time even if they don’t post….way back when, when ron told us not to take part or even visit blogs like this, i know of a few who did still visit and even post under pseudonyms, so it’s still subject to human temptation/curiosity/argumentativeness/weaknessess/ whatever you wanna call it…the potential still exists

  • Steve says:

    Yes RK but the problem with if they wait til 2012 to see nothin happens, their minds may perhaps be so configured/accustomed to his cult that even then it might not be an option to leave for multiple upon multiple reasons…one of the hardest things in the world is to recant a belief that one has so invested in mentally/spiritually/heartily…the longer one is in a cult like this, the harder it becomes to leave, no matter what seemingly “obvious” events prove it wrong….i guess this very day itself is testimony to that due to all his prophecies havin failed and still they refuse to let go……

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Kirrily has often commented that it was pride that kept her in. I suspect that’s not the case for the rest of the PKG members. I suspect for some that it’s other family members. But for people like Aaron and helpingUsoon/Dominic, it appears to be honest delusion.

    I’d have to go back through the big monster comment thread, but ISTR that Dominic said he would still follow Ron even if he changes his timeline again. Ron promised a number of times up through then end of March of 2008 that he would admit being a false prophet if nothing happened. Yet only 3 months later he changed timelines and the majority of PKG stuck with him.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    That’s right Mike – for me it was definitely pride when you get right down to it. Also like Steve says, when you invest ALL of yourself into believing, PRIDE stopped me from admitting I was wrong in believing God via Ron. It was a really hard pill to swallow.

    I do remember Dominic saying he would still follow Ron even with a third timeline.

    I am sure that Dominic would have been told to quit this blog – and I agree with Steve, I knew a few members who kept looking at these blogs even though they were told not to. I ‘dobbed’ on them of course, and told Wayne straight away…

    I think for sure Dominic would still be at least reading the blog, or will start to again soon when the ‘sting’ of being told off wears off.

  • angel says:

    Oh yeah, I think Dominic took a trip to the woodshed. His change of attitude happened so quickly it nearly gave me whiplash when I did a double take.

    The sad thing is, he’s probably convinced himself he’s going along with them because we’re just a bunch of mockers and scoffers who can’t see the truth rather than understanding it’s more about them not wanting him to see the error of their ways because of what he reads here.

  • Dave says:

    Curious Mike, on average does your Weinland mocking website get more or less visitors than COGPKG website?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Since I don’t have traffic statistics on the PKG website, my guess is that some days I have more visitors, some days I have fewer.

  • Dave says:

    Ohh, fair enough Mike. You seem such a resourceful fella I thought you may have stat’s like that at hand. I thought it would be ironic if after all the google word advertising Ron’s followers paid for if even his detractors websites got more hits these days.

  • hubbysgone says:

    You cannot believe how angry I am at my husband for his involvement in this church. We went with him for far too long and quit at the beginning of this school year. He says he WILL NOT stop attending before 2012, and even when Christ does not return at that point, I believe he will keep on. Does anyone know of a good resource to get loved ones out of a cult?