The Cock Crew

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in Windsor CT today, making up for the trip he canceled in February instead of using his Witness Powers to shut up the heavens and stop the blizzard.   He continued his Passover series with part 7 and promises to inflict even more parts.  He went through the story of Peter’s denial of Christ several times and several times did the cock crew.

Ron mentioned planning for the Feast of Tabernacles this fall, which will be the third organized Feast after the very last organized Feast in 2007, but which this time is for the full 8 days of the Feast and the Last Great Day and not just 4 days.  He will use many of the same feast sites but a few will change. According to Ron, the feast site in the UK will move to Scotland.  Scotland is where his senior elder there, William G Milne lives. (BTW Ron, Scotland is part of the UK.)  Ron expects to have feast plans finalized by Pentecost.  Audra and the rest of you elders, better get busy.

The Spokesman Witness is mellowing out with his mockers.  Today he didn’t remind us of the death curse nor did he mock us.  It seems that now God will give us another chance, since we just don’t understand that Ron is really a prophet of God despite the fact that every single one of his prophecies have failed. Unlike the last two sermons, he did not mention May 27, 2012 but did mention the 5th Trumpet and how Germany will soon come to ascendency in Europe preparatory to taking over the US as well.   He took some time to stereotype Jews, at least he didn’t talk about the size of their noses.

Redfox at the Living Armstrongism blog had a post a few days ago about a chapter in Dave Pack’s Autobiography which mentions Weinland, calling him a false prophet.  Pot.  Kettle.  Black.  Pack has like Ron appointed himself as an Apostle but unlike Ron will not claim to be one of the Two Witnesses.  Those roles are reserved for two members of his church whom he will appoint and supervise.

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  • jack635 says:

    The cock does not have to crow for Ron. Although he has never said “I do not know Jesus”, it is quite evident that he does not know Jesus.

    As for the title of your post, the first thing that came to my mind was George Carlin.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    The title of my post was a phrase that Ron spoke several times during the sermon. Rather than the second word of the title (which has several meanings one of which George Carlin has mentioned as a half-way dirty word 😀 ), it was the third word that struck me. While not a common version of the past tense for “to crow”, it still legitimate according to the dictionary.

  • Matt says:

    I did not realize we were still on for German world domination? For some reason I thought that part had been cancelled. Good to see we are still on for the whole show, or else I would have purchased that lovely brown shirt for nothing, not to mention the shiny black leather boots. Also, when does the smiting with plagues and the fire-breathing start? I want to make sure I have good seats for that one.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Since we’re due for 5 months of German domination, that would have to happen by December of next year. But before that there’s the year, month, day, and hour of preparation of the 200 million man Asiatic horde which will have to start just about a year from now. Will be interesting to see how he spins that one.

  • Atrocious says:

    The title sounds like it could be the name of a new rock band or something. LOL

  • Whisper says:

    The not so “Great” Tribulation is running on the rather sunny side of total destruction wouldn’t you say?
    Why even state that the “Great Tribulation” is 3-1/2 years long when only the last 5 months or so are going to be a tribulation?
    Even if the Tribulation began in force today there would be the former 16 months as not great at all, that’s if your going by the 2nd timeline – 24 months if the first timeline still holds sway.

    If one is to believe in the Holy Bible then it would be proper to expect a full 42 months, 3-1/2 years, of Great Tribulation when that is the number stated in the book after all.
    Oh sure, the first several months could be disconnected plagues and merely millions dieing and horror raising it’s head at various points around the globe but after that they world wide full Great Tribulation would arise.
    But for 16 solid, or 24 if you don’t like seconds, months the world has been quite normal with no great deaths or weather or earthquakes or… well anything out of the normal. The recession is not fun but it’s not out of the ordinary, recessions happen all the time throughout history.

    Where’s the “GREAT” Tribulation? When does the 3-1/2 years begin? Not 2008 and not 2009 obviously. 2010? Maybe, but not so far.
    When do the 2 Witnesses arise? Two rather cowardly globe trotters working on other peoples money don’t count at witness’s.
    When does all the fire breathing and plague bringing and so such begin? Not one smoke ring blown yet.

    Go figure?

  • Whisper says:

    Speaking of “Great Tribualtions” when did old Ron whittle down the 2nd timeline times to explain why nothing had happened?
    From that time to now has any “Great” Tribualtion happened?
    When does old Ron explain why even the trimmed down timline of “Great” Tribualtions are not Great?

    Go figure again?

  • Atrocious says:

    It’s all “spiritual”, doncha know?

  • Mal says:

    “If one is to believe in the Holy Bible then it would be proper to expect a full 42 months, 3-1/2 years, of Great Tribulation when that is the number stated in the book after all.”

    Does anyone know where in the Bible does it state that the Great Tribulation will be 42 months or 3-1/2 years ?

  • Aggie says:

    Mal, you’re not a church member, so I can see why you’re confused about this: The Churches of God misinterpret the “time, times, and half a time” in the KJV translation of the book of Daniel to mean three and a half years.

    Which will be over, for Ronald Weinland, next year. I don’t hold him to any other timelines, beyond the only one that counts: The one that failed first, that he has subsequently (and successfully, in the minds of a few people, at least), tried to whitewash after it failed.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Mal asked: “Does anyone know where in the Bible does it state that the Great Tribulation will be 42 months or 3-1/2 years ?”

    Well, Mal. Since you’re drinking Ron’s Flavor Aid, then you believe that Ron Weinland is a prophet of God and that his book “2008 God’s Final Witness” is divinely inspired and an extension of the Bible. Since Ronald Weinland wrote in his Bible-extending divinely inspired book in a number of places that the tribulation is 3 and 1/2 years, then why the bleep are you challenging Whisper’s statement? Challenge Ron, OK?

  • RK says:

    Whisper says: “When does all the fire breathing and plague bringing and so such begin? Not one smoke ring blown yet.”

    That’s what I’m wondering as well.

    The other thing I look for to really gauge what’s happening is for the Sixth Thunder to materialize.

    I mean, Ron has to achieve world notoriety first, in order for the world to hear to what the End-Time message is, right?

    Since Germany is going to be coming our way shortly, I would think that people need to know about it, so they have a chance to repent.

    So far, Ron hasn’t even made it to first base yet, as far as the Sixth Thunder goes.

  • Kirrily xpkg says:

    Ooooooooo the Germans!!!! Ewwwww!!! I’ve already dyed my hair blond, I’m already tall, now, just to get the blue contact lenses – I’m nearly good to go. I am 1/4 German anyway, maybe I’ll live?

    The Great Whore relegion, and all her daughters. Mmmm, how many ‘daughters’ came out of COG again?

  • Whisper says:

    The book of Daniels prophecies depicts the 3-1/2 years, amoung other numbers of years as well. Whether one desires to “interpret” these ancient words this way or that is of no matter here for as Mike states “Challenge Ron”, for it is Ron’s singular interpretations of the Bible that caused Rons insanity to begin with. Why are we seemingly interested in Rons 42 months? Well because of the simply outrageous things Ron said. Rons words where in fact so far over the top that it does cause attention to be directed at him, that of course is the reason old Ron said them to begin with, to get personal attention for his words. But such outrageous words demand scrutiny and finally proof that they could possibly be true. Ron made the mistake so many charlatains have made that came before him, he set dates and made prophecy.
    Poor Ron, thinking he can dictate Gods will on Earth for Rons own delusion to run wild in.

    Ron is simply an un-humble delusional man out for self glory and wealth who is listening to his own spoken fantasies and believing them.
    Some have even decided to follow and drink the flavor aid…

    Who would have thunk?

  • jack635 says:

    Ron is simply an un-humble delusional man out for self glory and wealth who is listening to his own spoken fantasies and believing them.

    Or…..he abandoned his faith in God long ago and is currently operating a for-profit con/cult.

  • Whisper says:

    “Or…..he abandoned his faith in God long ago and is currently operating a for-profit con/cult.”

    No doubt about it, with the added exception that Ron is delusional. IMO Ron abandoned his faith in God for his faith in himself. Ron’s new God is… wait for it… RON! Ta-da!
    So I personally think Ron is both Con-Man and Delusional-Man, with each personality having its time in control of Ron. Ron is always ready to make a buck and stick it in his own account… but at the same time act as if he is Gods one and only leader of faith, giving old Ron the ego-boost of being a man of action with God and making money all at the same time.

    What a deal?

  • matt says:

    I think you are probably correct, whisper. I think there is a good deal of con going on, because he is not willing to admit when he is wrong, but I suspect he rationalizes the deceit by thinking of himself as an instrument of God’s will. That way, every mistake he makes is somehow part of the great plan and not really a mistake at all, and he can still pocket the tithes with a clean conscience. It is a religious path of least resistance for anyone with a tendency to megalomania, as there are ample opportunities to shuffle responsibility back and forth between himself and god. Since we can safely say that it is not god telling him to do these things (unless there is something horribly, horrribly wrong with the universe) that means that for all intents and purposes, ron is ron’s god.

    I guess if you reach the point where you relinquish responsibility for your actions and claim they are god’s, you have wandered out of the realm of religion and into the realm of mental illness.

  • Whisper says:

    I have recently had a manager whom is mentally ill and have had a daughter all of her life (15) who is mentally ill. Many peope want to see people whom are mentally ill as obvious, i.e. a severly mentally retarded person or one with a “Rain Man” case of Autism. But that is so very rarely the case. Most mentally ill people are simply off to the left or the right of normal thinking. How far off to either side is the measure of thier illness severity.
    Ron is not disturbingly, obvious, mentally ill. Ron seems a rather normal joe in the day to day life it would seem. But, Ron suffers from Megalomania no doubt about it. Ron needs to be able to make the difference to the world that Ron see’s has to be made. The highest form of helping the world would to be God’s spokesman, God’s Holy leader in faith, the very Witness of God. If Ron where these things then the world could change for the better, Ron could usher in the age of Jesus Christ as physical Lord of this world, Ron could help all men to stand before God and for God to smile on all men. A worthy desire but one that is plauged with mental disturbance for if one is not the very chosen of God, the one Witness dirdectly Chosen by God to preach his very own final word then they are merely “wanting”. “Wanting” is mans greatest strength and man’s greatest weakness. As is evident in Ron this “Desire” has taken over his life, Ron “wants” it so very bad. So bad in fact that he has created a whole fantasy world of psychosis around it where Ron indeed is the pillar, the lynch pin, the center stone of Gods desire for mankind. Ron is indespensible in Gods plan, Ron is Holy and touched of God, Ron is the very top rung of humanity and the greatest prophet/apostle to ever live with more power at his fingertips than all the others combined!
    Whew, what a truely horrible responsibility to live up to.
    That’s the delusion. That’s the mental illness. Building up ones own mental wonder land world which is in stark contrast to reality.
    Ron is mentally ill. Ron does not ring alarm bells in others until Ron begins to speak of his delusions. Others have also trod this road, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Popes, Leaders, etc… They seem normal till you start to hear about the hidden psychosis of thier minds and then the illness is revealed.
    Ron desires money, and the Con-Man is there. But IMO Rons larger desire here and now is EGO. So Ron keeps stashing away money for the retirement, but he spends a lot of it trying to get his “Desires”, his proof that he is the chosen of God.

    Go figure?

  • Baywolfe says:

    I’d still like to see anybody in any of the “christian” churches prove that anything in the bible is true. There has never been an accurate prophetic PREdiction, only after the fact POSTdictions. (Sorry, the bible referencing itself doesn’t count!)

    Zealot christian churches love to spin that old saw about, “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn’t exist.” Well, the joke has on us all along because, neither god nor the devil exist, and millions of people are fooling themselves into believing it to be otherwise.

    How much better would this world be if all these people went out and did something useful for their fellow inhabitants of planet earth? Instead of thinking they’re going to be Rulers in the Millenium or with Jesus in Heaven or whatever.

  • angel says:

    Baywolfe,

    People are always asking for different kinds of “proofs” that the Bible is true; in my opinion some are reasonable, some are not. Many things in the Bible such as names, places and events, have been verified by geographical, historical and archaeological evidence.

    To say that there has never been an accurate prophetic prediction presupposes that the scholars who make such claims can actually prove it. The standard of proof should be the same no matter which way you’re looking at it. One prophecy that was fulfilled during the last 100 years that can be verified as a prophecy written beforehand was the Jews being returned to the land of Israel. This was an unprecedented event and cannot be conveniently be brushed aside as a coincidence.

    I can understand you doubting the existence of a spiritual realm if you have not experienced anything to make you believe it does exist, but those of us who have do not have that disadvantage. As a Christian, it is not my “job” to provide you with proof; only to be a witness of God has done for me and what He would like to do for you. It is up to God to show Himself to you; Christians have no control over that as He too has free will.

    You may choose to believe we’re delusional, but keep in mind you can’t know that; it is strictly your opinion based on what you see, which is nothing we can “show” you – you must experience it for yourself. And to do that, you’d have to be willing to respond to God.

    Christians actually have done a lot of good in this world, and will continue to do so. I’m personally aware of the efforts, money and prayer, at various churches I’ve attended, that have gone out to those in need.

    I’m sad that people Ron and those who follow him have contributed to your poor opinion of Christians; it’s not fun to be lumped in with people like that.

  • RK says:

    jack635 says: “Or…..he abandoned his faith in God long ago and is currently operating a for-profit con/cult.”

    I think there’s a lot of truth in what you are saying there, Jack.

    I believe that when Ron first came into contact with Herbert Armstrong, he was totally believing and sincere, like alot of us. But as the years went by, Ron probably started seeing all of the holes and inconsistancies in Herbert’s view of things.

    But instead of just getting out of there, like most of us, maybe Ron thought to himself, “Hey, wait a minute, there’s a helluva good living to be made in the cult/ministry business.” Mix that in with Rons’ pathology of delusion, and here we are.

    And Whisper, when you talk about “wanting” and “desire” being able to trump logic and reasoning, that is so true as well.

    The idea (as claimed by Herbert) that out of all the people on this earth, God decided to call ME (for some undeserving reason) along with a “little flock” of others, to be in Gods’ ONE TRUE CHURCH, was an idea that was so beautiful, I fell totally in love with it.

    And even when I started seeing that Herbert was delusional (as Ron is), nevertheless, my desire to have that beautiful idea be true, and to want to believe it, trumped my own logic and reasoning for a long time.

  • angel says:

    RK,

    Good points. I think many people start out with a sincere desire to do/know/believe the right thing. Then temptation can set in; the temptation to do what is beneficial to ourselves, rather than the right thing. I’ve seen many people fall into that; in many different areas of life – in their marriages, in their parenting, in their careers/businesses, in their politics, in their religious beliefs…

    Doing the right thing is hard – if it was easy, a lot more people would be doing it. A church leader is just as vulnerable to falling into error as anyone, which is why you should never, never put your faith in THEM rather than God.

    Interesting how different our thinking can be on things; before I was a Christian, the idea that Jesus loved ME was difficult to believe. Even afterward, I asked Him to explain that because I was still having trouble with it, and thinking He’d arbitrarily chosen me didn’t make me feel special, it had the opposite effect – it made me suspicious – I could just as easily have been someone He DIDN’T choose. God doesn’t do anything arbitrarily, though; although we must be drawn by God to respond, He desires that all be saved; will save anyone that calls on Him; will be found by anyone who seeks Him with all their heart. On His timeframe, though, not ours; He knows better than we do if we are really sincere and ready.

    Here’s the thing; yes, it’s natural to feel “special” thinking God has called you; but it’s not about someone telling you theirs is the special group God is calling you to – it’s about you responding to God Himself, based on what His word says – that anyone who calls on Him/seeks Him sincerely will be saved. I say this not to preach, because I’m sure everyone reading this has heard it before; but to point out that people like HWA and Ron use/twist this to their own advantage. They want you to feel special to be part of “their” group.

  • Aggie says:

    OK, “angel”, obviously Mike isn’t around to say it, so I’ll say it for him: Your incessant bible-thumping and relentless altar calls to professing Christianity are wearing very, very, thin. Stop it.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    While the discussion is migrating toward the theological side, I don’t see that Angel really is preaching. At least not any more than Baywolfe has done. While I have my own personal views on Christianity in general, they are not the focus of this blog. The focus is Weinland in particular with forays into Armstrongism and other false prophets. I’ll allow a brief discussion of your own views if it’s not preaching.

    So let the dissection of Ron’s psyche continue.

  • angel says:

    Thanks, Mike; I appreciate the leeway.

    Aggie, while I respect your views I certainly don’t agree with them, yet, I would never think of asking you to “stop it”. Somehow when atheists/unbelievers state their views about God and Christianity they never seem to think of it as preaching. Interesting.

    Awhile back, when Citizen X had stricter rules in effect on the Weinland Witness, one of Ron’s watchdogs tried to chase me off his blog even though I wasn’t really preaching (it wasn’t allowed and I respected that). I know Christianity riles some people, but sometimes I get riled by atheists/unbelievers/cultists, and I deal with it. This person also didn’t like the name “angel”, and actually tried to order me to change it. I left that blog soon after, not because of old bossy, but because it was pointless to try to talk to people who are afraid to be challenged or hear another point of view. I didn’t go back until Citizen X relaxed his rules.

    One of the things I admire about Mike is his willingness to allow people with diverse views to share their thoughts; it makes for a more interesting discussion and you get a chance to see how people’s minds work.

    Okay, I’m off my soapbox.

    I’ve heard quite a few people say, about people like Ron, that they can’t believe someone who seems so sincere could deliberately intend to deceive people. I disagree. I’ve encountered quite a few people who deliberately blind themselves to reality and have a completely unrealistic view of their circumstances, and this is in regard to their daily living – so it’s not hard for me to believe someone could do that with their religious or any other kind of beliefs. Example: “I did not have sex with that woman!” – remember that?

  • Atrocious says:

    I’m going to tell a true story, and then I’ll tell you why I told the story.

    There was once a woman who married a man she thought she loved with all her heart. She trusted him with her life because she thought he was the one God paired her up with. And because she thought he came from God for her, she knew everything would be alright. But then some things didn’t add up. The marriage didn’t seem right to her, but she didn’t know why. Every time a negative thought about him or the marriage occurred, she would toss it out right away, because it just couldn’t be. How can that be when God put the two of them together? Then the husband began to put all that went wrong in the marriage on the wife, it was all her fault – to take the blame off of him. She took the blame. It HAD to be her, because God put them together, right? Come to find out many years later that he was of a different persuasion all along and used her for a cover-up. She was in absolute shock when it finally came to her. And it took even more years to finally put an end to the marriage.

    That’s the way it is with a cult. When somebody says they are of God, and the followers of that person believe him, then he just couldn’t be capable of having an agenda, right? I mean, c’mon! He’s of GOD! He COULDN’T be like that! But then when they can’t ignore it any longer, it’s such a shock when they find out the real truth. Even then they don’t know what to do with the information. And it takes even longer to finally leave.

    When someone uses God to fulfill a personal agenda, it’s very sad. Listen to your intuition. Listen to your thoughts. Pay attention to your gut feelings. There’s a reason why they’re there. When things are wrong, don’t add up, prove false, and lies are made plain, take note. Don’t ignore it hoping it will either go away or believing that it is your fault or your problem. When you find out the truth, leave.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    The common factor I see is that someone transfers their belief in a supreme being to somehow give significance to another human, who then exploits them. If you feel the need to believe in an all-power invisible being off in the distance, then have at it. But why do you need a middleman?

  • angel says:

    “But why do you need a middleman?”

    That’s exactly right! In this case, the Supreme Being has made it clear that one does NOT need a middleman, which makes it even more tragic that these people insist on putting their trust in Ron.

  • Mal says:

    “But why do you need a middleman?”

    (Amo 3:7) Certainly, the Almighty LORD doesn’t do anything unless he first reveals his secret to his servants the prophets.

    (Jer 29:19) They didn’t listen to me, declares the LORD. I sent them my servants the prophets again and again, but they refused to listen, declares the LORD.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    (Matt 24:11) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    (Matt 24:24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    (1Jn 4:1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

  • Atrocious says:

    Mal, because you keep quoting the old testament, it’s like you don’t believe that Jesus even came the first time. It is because of HIM that there is no need for a middleman. Do you actually believe that the Bible is only for ministers and prophets, etc? Why even read the Bible then, if you need someone else to interpret? Do you pray? If you do, why? I thought you needed a middleman. When you pray, you’re not using a middle man. And why is “prophecy” so important?

    Why don’t you read the new testament sometime and focus on why Jesus came the first time. Jesus focused on the spiritual, and relationship, not the physical.

    Just my thoughts.

  • Whisper says:

    Mal:
    I find it interesting that you interpret the words “servents” and “prophets” as, seemingly, a ultra small class of people God raises up to go to the masses.
    The old “A King is required to rule the rank and file” theology.

    I know Ron could not understand the concept, as he needs to be a ruler, but could you understand the theory that the “servents” of God are quite possibly EVERYBODY?
    Now here is a someone harder one to get ones mind wrapped around. Ok, could is just be possible that the “prophets” of God are indeed many, possbily all, of Gods children (at last count I made Gods children included… oh, well… Everyone) and it is simply written in the Bible of some rather spectacular examples of those many prophets?

    I’m definatly a servent of God IMO as I have attempted to serve and done some good. I have prophecied before to help individuals find hope. Statements like “This tragedy is not the whole story, there is good in the making here and it will come in Gods time” are prophecy and oh so many people have stated like statements before, amoung others. Well, I prophecied and it came true, I helped a sould and many people have in like wise prophecied to me and believed in what they said and it came true.

    Now, Ron can be these things to, just like we all are. The difference seems to be one-tune Ron stickes to the 7 thunders and 7 trumpets, defines them in the name of God, and then they don’t come true. They don’t help anyone. They are prophecies of death and destruction instead of life and building up ones brother. Someone would need a rather dark soul to want to tell his brothers and sisters such things as mass death and God killing off his very own creations in mass. How many people has Ron helped? How many people has Ron given clothes & Food and Love to?
    Ron’s not in that business, he’s in the “your going to die” business unless, unless mind you, you follow every word he says and do what he wants you to do.
    Ron is, seemingly, out for Rons cause. That makes Ron a servant and prophet of Rons will.

    Go figure?

  • matt says:

    As an aside, what biblical titles are left for ron to give himself? He has already given himself the titles of Witness, Apostle and Prophet – what’s going to be next? What is left? Does anyone know what other titles there are left in the bible?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “Does anyone know what other titles there are left in the bible?”

    Christ.

  • angel says:

    “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus…” I Tim. 2:5

    “But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.” 2 Cor. 3:14-18

    There is truth that has been revealed thru Christ that cannot be seen in the reading of the OT. God has already told us what will happen in the last days, so the passage from Amos quoted by Mal does not prove that God must reveal the TIMING. The context of Amos 3 is that God is going to punish Israel for her sins, but will warn her first; in the same way, God has already warned of the wrath to come in the book of Rev. In every case, after sending His prophets and having given time to repent, God brought judgment with no further warning.

  • matt says:

    I was wondering if that was all that was left. The Second Ronning?

  • Baywolfe says:

    The only problem I have with declaring someone a “false” prophet is, that there is an implicit idea that there are “true” prophets.

  • jack635 says:

    “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn’t exist.”

    Ha ha … that’s from The Usual Suspects.

  • Mal says:

    “…..the passage from Amos quoted by Mal does not prove that God must reveal the TIMING”.

    1Th 5:1-4

    Brothers and sisters, you don’t need anyone to write to you about times and dates.

    You know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

    When people say, “Everything is safe and sound!” destruction will suddenly strike them. It will be as sudden as labor pains come to a pregnant woman. They won’t be able to escape.

    BUT, BROTHERS AND SISTERS, YOU DON’T LIVE IN THE DARK. THAT DAY WON’T TAKE YOU BY SURPRISE AS A THIEF WOULD.”

    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    Dan 12:8-9

    I heard him, but I did not understand. So I asked him, “Sir, how will these things end?”

    He replied, “Go, Daniel. These words are to be kept secret and sealed UNTIL THE END TIMES”.

  • Kirrily xpkg says:

    I guess that is why it is so vital the bible gives us a very clear way to test a prophet – a test that Rotten Ronnie has failed time and time again.

  • J says:

    Mal, what does that prove? Does that prove that Weinland is a prophet because he’s revealing “new secrets”? Where’s the scripture to back up his claims?

    I could start preaching new secrets as well. Does that make me a prophet of God? The scriptures would have to validate my statements, such as the clarification between false and true prophets. Does Ron fit the bill? What has Ron prophesied? The Witnesses are told to perform miracles. What miracles has he performed?

    Ron is no more a true prophet and witness than I am.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    On the other hand, I am a true prophet. Immediately after I heard his “If By Pentecost” declaration (MP3 Audio Clip) on March 29, 2008, I prophesied that he would not follow through his his promise. And he turned out to be quite insane.

  • angel says:

    Mal,

    You’re helping me prove my point.

    “But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have NO NEED that I should write to you.”

    “For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.”

    “But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.”

    I think those verses are better understood as saying that God has already WARNED of the wrath to come, so those who believe it will happen will not be taken by surprise because of having been forewarned, and that it could happen at any moment. Only those who do not believe it will happen will be surprised – because they don’t think it will happen.

    A pregnant woman knows she will go into labor at some point, but she doesn’t know exactly when. When it starts, it will happen suddenly, and once it starts it won’t stop; the pains will get harder and harder.

    The angel who gave Daniel the prophecy concerning end times would not explain it to him, because it was not for the people living at that time. Now that we are in the last days, and have the prophecies of Jesus, Paul and John to put together with Daniel’s; we have a better sense of what the end will be. We know everything we NEED to know.

    And Ron has proved that he doesn’t know ANYTHING we NEED to know.

  • angel says:

    “It seems that now God will give us another chance, since we just don’t understand that Ron is really a prophet of God….”

    That’s funny; they like to point to Jonah as an example of God relenting and giving people another chance – but it was because of repentance – not believing a real prophet was sent by God is not repentance. Whenever people refused to accept the words of a prophet of God, it was considered rebellion, not a lack of understanding.

    Jesus was asked what the sign of His coming and the end of the age would be: He said false Christs & prophets, wars (and rumors of), famines, pestilences, earthquakes, lawlessness. These things were happening then and still are now; mankind hasn’t progressed to the point where they’ve done away with them or figured out how to control the weather. As we have observed, from life experience and the research Mike and others have done, things continue pretty much as they always have.

    For things to happen according to the visions of John, Paul and Daniel, there would have to be a dramatic change in the patterns we’ve always seen. Because of the time frames and descriptive words they used, it would happen suddenly and progress quickly – this means it would not “seem” to get worse and then slow back down. We hear of a 6.9 quake somewhere and say, oh, it’s getting bad – well, doesn’t that really depend on where it happened and how? For instance, a jolt causes more damage than a rolling quake; bad building structures and corrupt governments cause more devastation, loss of life and chaos than places better prepared.

    Imagine if Moses had told Pharoah a plague was coming and the next day went back and said, “well, I know it doesn’t LOOK like anything happened; it was a spiritual event, you dummy.”

    Jesus was right, things like false prophets deceiving people will continue until the end of the age.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

    “All things” would include the claims of a self-styled biblical figure and his prophetic ramblings.

    1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

    (Don’t do something that would cause IRS Criminal Investigation to come after you.)

    Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

    Ron does wicked things, his wicked followers don’t understand. But Ron’s critics wisely understand.