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Weinland’s Second Thunder Two Years Later

Wednesday, April 14th, 2010

It was two years ago as of yesterday when I started blogging about False Prophet Ronald Weinland.  My first post about him at my former Blogspot site was about the Second Thunder: Earthquakes.  Being two years later, I think it’s worth taking another look at the earthquake situation.

On page 96 of “2008: God’s Final Witness”, Weinland stated:

The greatest destruction and loss of life from earthquakes is the direct result of collapsing buildings or the power unleashed in the form of a tsunami. Volcanoes are also associated with earthquakes. All these things will continue to wreak havoc on man and nature in an ever increasing magnitude as we approach the very end of this age.

All Seven Thunders will increase in power and recognition over the next two years (from the date of the first printing of this book) and on into the final three and one-half years of great tribulation. The Seven Thunders will serve as a powerful witness that the words of this book are true, and that they are from the God of Abraham, the Father of Jesus Christ.

Using the method described in the earlier blog post, I created graph of earthquake activity over the last 9 years from the US Geological Survey online database. The chart shows a dot for each earthquake by magnitude and date.  I’ve also indicated with a line when Weinland’s book was published in November of 2006.  This chart includes the entire period of Weinland’s Sixth Seal which began on 9/11/01 and ended twice, the first time on March 18, 2008 and the second time on November 14, 2008.


A magnitude 6 earthquake causes no damage except to poorly constructed buildings. A change of 1 on the scale is actually a 32x change in earthquake energy.

If earthquakes had increased in power and recognition during the two years following the publication of Weinland’s fictional work, there would be an increasing density of dots on the chart in 2007 and 2008 above magnitude 6.  And this increasing density would have begun shortly after 9/11.

usregionOn page 199 of his book, Weinland wrote:

The reason this book and The Prophesied End-Time have so much to say about specific events that will take place in the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the United Kingdom, and much of western Europe is that these nations are very specifically identified as the descendents of those lost ten tribes of Israel! End-time events focus first on the demise of these nations over the next couple of years. These events have everything to do with knowing the true God of Abraham.

So I used the USGS Rectangular Earthquake Search page which allows gathering data from a subset of the earthquakes limited to a geographic area.  I generated data on a rectangular grid which encompasses the 48 continuous states of the US and portions of Canada as well. The chart below is the result.  Since the data set for this region is smaller, Excel was able to handle a data set including quakes of magnitudes as low as 4.


There is no pattern of an increasing magnitude or density of dots for 2007 and 2008 reflecting increased earthquake activity in the US bringing about its demise.  Furthermore, the reason the scale on the second chart stops at 8 is that there were no quakes exceeding that magnitude in this region of the world since 2001, unlike the rest of the world.  A large number of earthquakes in the 7 to 8 magnitude range would have been adequate to make this a loud thunder, but there weren’t any, not even one, in that range during 2007, 2008, or 2009.

I’ve analyzed these two charts from another perspective, creating a “loudness” graph for the second thunder.  On the graph, an earthquake creates an uptick in the chart according to it’s magnitude, and then decays over time, halving over a roughly two week period.  The function is constructed such that a second earthquake soon after the first will add to its decaying echo, so two earthquakes of equal intensity on the same day would register the same as a single earthquake twice as strong.

The next graph shows what the intensity of the second thunder was like on a global basis.  The second thunder did not increase in power and recognition during the two years following the publication of Ron’s book, but rather decreased.


Since Ron claimed that end time events were to focus on modern-day Israel, I ran the earthquake data for the US region through the same function.  Again, the second thunder did not increase in power and recognition in the two years of 2007 and 2008 following the publication of Ron’s book, but rather decreased.


To the Weinland apologists out there, before you point out that the 2nd thunder has increased over the past few months, point out an example where a prophet of God prophesied falsely, and then later on prophesied correctly.  Even if tomorrow, the “big one” happens both in Los Angeles and in San Francisco, with major earthquakes in Seattle, Juneau, and along the New Madrid fault, it would not suddenly prove that Weinland is one of the Two Witnesses.  I imagine that some other false prophet would get “lucky”, since there are always false prophets making predictions.

Weinland protests that his books are fully accurate, its prophecies just hasn’t happened yet.  Yet on page 4 of his book, he states:

The proof of the validity of my first book, and now this one, is in the timing and the destruction that follows, exactly as both books describe.

And also on the same page, referring to interviews for his first book which started in 2004 (Weinland started writing his last book during the fall of 2005):

What we have witnessed since those interviews a year ago will only increase in magnitude and frequency until we come to the last and final stage.

However, it seems that PKG members can’t remember any further back than the last sermon.  Look again and see whether the earthquakes he was talking about only increased in magnitude in frequency, or ever decreased.  The same with hurricanes.  Ron mentions 26 named storms including 14 hurricanes during the 2005 season.   So each year since had more than that number, and more than the year before?  Did any year since have more than the year of 2005?

A prime example of PKG thinking is “Dominic”, a self-described 23-year-old recent convert who did some drive-by commenting in reply to my last blog post. He claims that Ron and Laura took him and his daughter to lunch, probably with the other dozen PKG members in attendance while in in Phoenix last weekend. We’ll see how soon it is before one of the elders who reads my blog brings him up short for “entertaining demons” and puts him back in his cage.

The prospect of spending eternity with this maniac sounds more like being in hell than in heaven, to use the vernacular (yeah, yeah, I know you don’t believe in those concepts of traditional Christianity, but if you can get past that, maybe you’ll get my point). Given that, I’ll take my chances with the Great White Throne, thank you very much, and would rather take a long walk on a short plank into the lake of fire right behind Aggie than to spend it with Ronnie and his crowd. I do believe that Dominic learned his humility from the master at it, Ronnie boy himself.  After all, his comments were essentially parroting of Ronnie’s nonsense.  Another example of PKG thinking is on this post by PKG wannabee Aaron Robinson.