Ron Gets Upgraded
False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke in Phoenix yesterday. He started out with a mention of the travails of traveling, returning on Thursday morning to Los Angeles at a time prior to that leaving Sydney. Ron, maybe if you got on airplanes and circled the globe traveling east you could go back in time before you started prophesying and fix a few things. Ron was upgraded at his Phoenix area hotel to the presidential suite after complaining about the hot room while trying to recoup from a long sleepless flight.
Laura had her nails done, perhaps not to detract from the diamond rings to be use to bribe their way through borders if traveling when the Great Tribulation finally, finally arrives.
Ralph Dowd was in attendance which is not unusual, and Ron mentioned another who follows him around from area to area.
He spent most of the sermon in Matthew 25. The message being to be ready for the return of Jesus Christ, which is when? Take care of the earth, and don’t litter. He seemingly had trouble remembering his prophesied date of May 27, 2012, when 144,000 spirit beings are to be added to the God family (Elohim). He mocked those who think they’ll go to heaven and gaze on God for all eternity. But then I haven’t heard him describe what the eventual billions will do after the 100-year period and the Great White Throne judgment.
One riff he didn’t repeat was the mocking of his mockers he’s been putting out for the past few sermons. Nevertheless, 68 weeks after the last time he issued his death curse against me to die speedily. I’m still at it.
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sounds to me like he is trying to make it sound like he doesn’t actually enjoy traveling around the globe.
wouldn’t want the sheep to get enviouse and quit tithing would we?
Can you imagine how ego-boosting that was to be put in the presidential suite? Oh my! Now he’s up there with the presidents! What a master manipulator.
“after complaining about the hot room while trying to recoup from a long sleepless flight”
He better get used to it. It’s going to be very hot and very sleepless where he is headed.
So Witless Weinland is starting to forget he’s changed up his prophecies? Let us examine a 2012 prophecy of an entirely different stripe, shall we?
(For the uninitiated, Neil deGrasse Tyson is the coolest astronomer alive. Without argument.)
You sir are a fool. Satan has a firm hold on your mind. If you had a brain, which it is obvious that you dont, you retards probably observe christmass, easter, and halloween. You probably believe in Santa. I will gladly watch this country burn. Seeing this evil country, and evil world, and you evil people brought to a nuclear end. I laugh at all your pathetic religions and false beliefs, I laugh that you fools dont even read or comprehend scripture. That you fools hold your selves up as Gods and think your smart. And retarded mark needs to do some research on the word Gehenna, and translate hell into its proper context.(hes probably pentecostal) 6 feet under the ground is pretty much what hell means. But you religious, godly people would certainly know that. And you would also be able to understand Jonn 3 vs 13, which even you so called “christians” can understand. You know when Christ plainly states that no man goes to heven except for him. Why do you dummies believe you go to heaven? You wanna go fish? Or see your dear old catholic grandma? I hope you payed your preists to get her into heaven. lol. You are so funny, you dont have anything better too do then too ridicule Gods Prophet? Dont you understand that God only reveals truth through his apostles and prophets. Well i gladly look forward too mocking you ridiculously retarded website, you apparently have no time on your hands. Bye the way. Your retarded. lol, lol, lol.
oh and bye the way, i like the pic you have. were you undercover brother? hahhahahah
i challenge any one of you fools to disprove the bible and its scriptures. forget about ron for 1 second because you idiots have nothing better to do and please show me where the bible says “thou shalt worship on sunday”, or “thou shalt observe easter and christmass.” I have never seen these retarded ideas in Gods word. So can any one of you professing “christians” back up your pathetic beliefs? the answer is nope. you cant, your all pathetic and you will burn. and i will laugh. hahahaha
oh and how is your president working out for you?
oh and him and his wife bought me and my daughter lunch, anything wrong with that? oh wait, yes because i understand the scriptures of tihing ten percent of my income to The Church of God, that means I am in a cult. You idiots need to brush up on your bibles. Or dust them off. hahaha I am so glad your attitudes wont make it through. And bye the way can you please post every sermon you listen too and give your retarded opinion. i would love to continue to mock you. Thats my job, I will mock and make fun of any one who believes differently than the Cog-Pkg. This is Gods church. You are the world, and you mockers dont have long too wait. You know whats funny is that you people would have put Christ too death if he was alive right now. But you would say no, we would never, we would listen to jesus over ron any day. you wouldnt and you will kill ron just as christ was klled. just read the scriptures you retards.
and your daeth from the inside means that you will grow more and more resentful of the ways of God and his truth that you will finally be dead and commit the unpardonable sin. you hate Gods truth spoken through his end time prophets and in doing so you have died inside to actually being able to percieve and recieve Gods Holy Spirit. He is speaking of you spiritual demise and rotting of your brain leading to your death, the death of being unable to accept Gods truths and what he is making manifest in his end time prophet/apostle. Your mind is dead too the ways of God and your friends and mockers will die “in their minds” as well. As a deaf man hears nothing ” so you shall hear no truth of The Eternal, and you will finally die. not today, not tommorow, but in these 799 days you so willingly posted to try to disprove the “end time elijah”. read malachi and percieve, but as Ron says your dead. I can see it, your dying, and it wont be long now till you do.
lol hahaha
Peace Heathens!
Lol, have you finished with you rant? Classic – thanks for the laugh…..
As far as the word ‘retard’ goes, perhaps you should look in the mirror… um, this website is all about whether Ron is false or not….. it has nothing to do about other religious beliefs. So going on about Xmas, Easter, God, Jesus etc is, well, pretty pointless. That is not actually what we are discussing here. Your poor fingers must be tired from all that typing. Were you perhaps meaning to type all this on another website? Maybe the ‘Catholic Today’ Chronicle, or the ‘Seventh Day Adventist’ Trumpet? or the ‘Witness Journal’? Maybe you typed a wrong keyword into Google??? Oh well, you can always copy and paste the above into the correct website/s when you find it/them. To select your text, hold the left button on your mouse down, highlight all the text, then right click, cut, then paste into the site where you actually meant to post all this… um…. stuff.
What is the purpose of your comments here anyway? Especially as Ron himself SPECIFICALLY tells you not to have any part with us mockers? To be on websites like this at all… Or do you know better than Ron? Is your faith stronger than any other PKG member that you can stand against us?? Goodness, even Ron said looking at blogs like this effected his own faith, but yours must be oh so much more stronger….. you must be VERY close to God. It’s dumbfounding that you think you could show us something that God Himself will not let us see (as you are called, and we are obviously not, as we do not understand the truths revealed to you, by God, through Ron, but misunderstood, then re-vamped, then changed, now under revision). Do you have PRIDE perhaps that you SEE Gods truths, and we do not? Did you do something special, that we did not? Are you more deserving perhaps? Sinless? Kept the Commandments perfectly? Mmmmm.
God’s most formidable prophet of all time must need your help bad, that you would stick up for him. Your wisdom and Godly insight surely knows no bounds. You are extraordinary.
Is that why you will not use your real name, cause if the Ministry found out you were commenting on a blog like this you would probably be disfellowshipped if you did not repent, just like 3 members were in the group of PKG I was in. If you do not believe me, maybe you should check with your local elder, or Ron himself. Ah but you won’t, because you know best, don’t you. You would be told that it was your Pride that made you write here – you need to have a good hard look at yourself, at your very REASON for writing on this blog – and repent accordingly – but you won’t. If God chooses Himself to leave us blind, then why are you giving us a hard time? I know that Revelation WAS ‘to be added to’, and that God is NOT ‘the same yesterday, today and forever’, and that Ron was sent to finish an incomplete book, to get rid of Aaaallll the confusion out here, by things coming to pass exactly has Ron has said, for the second time, after failing once, but currently under revision awaiting God’s additional truths to come directly into Ron’s mind. It’s pretty clear cut – I’m thinking of going back to PKG myself after your posts, no confusion whatsoever, and oh, oh, the love and HUMILITY!! Oh how I miss it.
Have you cancelled your facebook account yet? You know you were ordered to by Ron.
Perhaps instead of these, um, rants (to be polite), you could offer some evidence/commentary as to why you believe Ron is God’s Final Witness (even though we are on the 2nd and a half timeline, and the Trumpets written in Gods Final Witness have been recalled). Oh hang on, the only thing you could say is that God revealed it to you, the truths, and put it in your mind – that’s why you agree with Ron, even though EVERYTHING he ‘prophesied’ has not happened. The EVIDENCE that Ron said would come, turns out not to be coming – just to push our buttons. Well, that makes sense…..
Thank you so much for posting what you have here – because it shows the world indeed what a PKG member thinks and feels. You have certainly done yourself proud – honestly, I am not being sarcastic.
I think those ‘searching’ and reading your comments above will certainly be enlightened.
I bet you are checking every 5 minutes to see what us mockers posted in reply to your post – I sure hope you enjoyed mine, and that you are now questioning your motives, and repent quickly from your prideful ways, and seek advice from your elder.
Take care, and good luck during the Tribulation, as I will probably die early on, then raised again to live another lifetime – where you yourself will no doubt be my teacher, and teach me in the same manner as your kind, patient words exude above – I look forward to your tutorage.
To finish, you say we will soon commit the unpardonable sin…. Um, Ron himself said that we will KNOW his is God’s End Time Prophet by the things occuring EXACTLY as he said… well, NOTHING happened (either the first or second time), so maybe you could explain where we went wrong??
For everyone else… this mind, this attitude is PKG – bask in it’s glory, truth and love
I know I am *remembers the good old days in PKG*.
Enjoy your day/evening (depending on where you live).
I trust that your journey with Ron will lead you to the Millennial Reign with Christ as your brother.
Thank you also for your peace wishes.
Say ‘Hi’ to Ron and Laura for me
I always admired her sense of fashion and young men.
LOONY
You mean I was loony to leave hey GD
– I mean, what that person says above is so clear and beautiful, filled with love and clarity.
helpingusoon,
The only person that can waffle more than you using a keyboard is aaron robinson……both of you could bore for the USA and get gold medals……..If you are the type of characters that are to form the new world government with ron under jesus (very doubtful) then I think mankind will have had a lucky escape by going to hell……….but remember this, judas betrayed christ for 30 pieces of silver ,were you did for a free lunch with the weinlands!! If you can as a christian really want to gloat at peoples burning and suffering, what does that really make you???
In giving helpingusoon the benefit of the doubt in that he MAY be genuine and not just a bored kid trying to have some fun and has no attachments to any religion, including Ron’s then I say the following to him/her/it;
I don’t understand how people who follow Ron still think they are “safe”…he made it clear to me way back that it is likely most if not all of his followers will die horrible deaths and that their membership means nothing in regard to supernatural protection..so i really don’t get all this “false sense of security” and pompous talk…but not to worry cuz nothin is gonna happen anyway lol…but still …from their perspective it will.
PS, As i said above, it is possible someone just got bored and helpingusoon is a kid who wanted to just wind people up, as he sounds like a young kid…maybe 16,17…but that could be what he “wants” us to think…who knows.
I understand Steve, but I’m 100% this person is for real – the ‘lingo’ is PKG through and through. Pretty sad hey
Yeah the lingo is in line with pkg kirrily, that is true, but i am not sure if his “heart” is….he may be, he may not be…i am always suspicious of people lol.
Where do I start? Like shooting fish in a barrel.
“You sir are a fool. Satan has a firm hold on your mind.”
No spirit being has put anything in my mind, as has happened to you. And that spirit being would be Satan, after all he knows the scriptures even better than you.
“oh and how is your president working out for you?”
You mean the president who “God’s most formidable prophet” prophesied would not take office?
“and your daeth from the inside means….”
I guess it has to mean that now, since I’m still alive. When Ron pronounced the death curse, it was for a physical death.
You blather on about Ron’s critics killing. None of his critics have threatened death on others, it’s Ron who has done that. And I believe that if I were to die, perhaps I were hit by a bus today, you would revel in it. Thanks for showing us a Godly attitude.
“oh and him and his wife bought me and my daughter lunch, anything wrong with that? oh wait, yes because i understand the scriptures of tihing ten percent of my income to The Church of God, that means I am in a cult.”
No, what it means is that you gave 10% of your income plus a lot more, and in return the Son of Perdition gave you lunch and all the Flavor Aid you can drink. And you can thank me for your lunch as the American taxpayer probably bought part of your lunch since he probably used tax-free church funds.
What makes you a cult member is that you’ve turned your thinking over to an exploiting manipulator who claims spiritual insight.
Wow! Reading the comments from helpingussoon was like listening to the devil – complete with horns, pitchfork and pointy teeth. Yet I’ve noticed that Ron’s followers never challenge your points of truth, Mike. They never comment on the failed prophecies, first, second and third timelines, etc. This poor brainwashed robot was just spewing the same old garbage we spewed out years ago. I shake my head in sadness that this poor soul’s mind is so possessed by Ron and his dribble and falsities. And the hatred he spews! Wow!
To you, helpingussoon, thanks for giving all those who read this blog a look into the mind of a PKGer. It’s an eyeopener I hope.
Dear kirrily the brave -of course i did not mean you -the loony is that brainwashed wanker needshelpsoon . I just feel sorry for his poor daughter.
man, you can just see love oozing from that dude can’t you?
“If” he really has a daughter, then it is very distrubing to think that such an immature and illogical “father” would be raising a child.
I was thinking that was a young teenager getting a laugh……..or it was Cletus the slack jawed yokel from the Simpsons.
If it was a bonafide member, it shows Ron will take money from anyone, and therefore is a con artist.
Wow, it is hard to comment on helpingussoon. Anyone that takes so much time to rant, rave, name call and threat is a very sad person indeed. This person is not only caught up in the PKG web, he/she is wrapped up in it! Very sad indeed that this person is missing Gods love. AMAZING!
Heh-heh-heh!
Here’s my two cents.
What will helpingusoon do when Ron changes the date of Christ’s second coming?
Dill Weed
I believe that help-u-soon is a PKG member as he claims, that Ron took him and his daughter to lunch but probably with other PKG members. Also I believe this happened this weekend.
What will he do when Ron changes the date? I expect what he did the last time Ron changed the date. He’ll swallow whatever lame explanations Ron comes up with, and regurgitate them here blathering about how stupid we are that we can’t understand them, and that our deaths are imminent, at which he’ll be laughing.
Oh the humility!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess he also doesn’t realize where many of us stand; assuming we’ve slipped back into traditional Christiandom instead of out the back door.
Hey, help-us-soon, just for the record and speaking strictly for myself, I reject the holy spirit, I reject the holy spirit, I reject the holy spirit. Three times, makes it offical, yes?
Unfortunately, I was never disfellowshipped from the WWCG, I just walked away without waving bye, bye. Maybe stopping tithe payments is an automatic disfellowshipment, for all I know. Anyway, I never received anything official. And since I never caught a “splinter” I don’t have any black marks in those areas either.
Ok, helpingusoon, I’m issuing you a challenge. I challenge you to read everything on Mike’s blog and refute anything he has said. Give names, dates, places, etc. to refute what Mike has been saying about your idol, Ron Weinland. Mike has given proof – I repeat – PROOF behind everything he has said. Ron is a false prophet. That’s a proven fact. Ron is a liar, that’s a fact. Ron is a con, that’s a fact. Ron is a wimp, that’s a fact. Ron HAS NO POWER – that’s a fact. Ron is NOT one of the two witnesses – that’s a proven fact. Ron travels to many countries under the guise of “preaching the gospel” and uses his sheeples money to do it…that’s a fact. Ron’s books have been proven false. Ron has changed things over and over and over again. That’s a fact.
Go ahead and refute this. I challenge you.
Wow, so Kirrily and other X’s, is this the “typical PKG’r” who finally got brave enough to break Ron’s commands or is this a “non-typical PKG’r” who has a lot of pent up resentment against, well against whatever, and just decided to let loose a torrent of venom and vitriol? If this is the “typical” then the cult/church must be a sailors bar on Saturday Night for cussing… If non typical then I for one pity for poor soul, all caught up in haltered and despite to the point of attempting to hurt others to soothe himself for a small time.
Go figure?
Whatchabet we don’t hear from him again?
Oh Dear! This guy has really got it bad.
I can relate to what Steve said. I also am very suspicious and skeptical. The grammar and spelling is that of a not-so-smart 15 or 16 year old.
On the other hand, I give a lot of credibility to Kirrily’s comment, as she has first hand experience with PKG and it’s members.
Assuming this person is for real, I can only say that “helpingusoon” has neither the mental stability, spiritual condition, or attitude
to be “helping anybody soon”!
Also, it looks like Mike DDTFA’s blog might be starting to touch some nerves at PKG.
And that’s a good thing.
Helpingusoon is just pissed off because deep down inside s/he knows Ron is false, but can’t bring him/herself to leave because of all the money invested. Also there is probably family and friends that have been shunned because of the choice to follow Ron’s teachings. Admitting Ron is wrong would mean admitting helpingusoon was wrong. It’s hard to take back all those harsh things said to family and friends,….especially when the tone used above was used against family and friends.
helpingusoon is in the twilight zone of an introspective nightmare. Better to close one’s eyes and ears to the truth than to put on the brakes, turn around and face all the people you have wronged and hurt. Other than facing embarrasment, helpingusoon continues to cling to the delusion.
It’s always fascinating to get a peek into the mind of some of Ron’s followers, and amazing how blind they are to the discrepancies in his prophecies. This man has no insight into the fact that his behavior does not at all reflect the characteristics God is looking for in a believer: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. I didn’t hear any of that in your rant, helpingusoon. A believer should always be aware that he is held to a higher standard by both man and God.
I encourage you to read Matthew chapter 5; specifically verses 21-26, as this puts in perspective what it means to call someone a fool. You might want to take a peek at verses 17-20, too; they speak of those who can expect to enter the kingdom of heaven (or not). Whatever/wherever you think that is, as a believer I would hope you’d want to be there someday.
You might want to re-read your posts and ask yourself if you’d be drawn to a church whose members spoke to you that way.
hahahahahaaha. Where the body is, the eagles are.
And Ron has clearly stated mocking satan and this world, and the ones who turn their back on the one true God deserve to be mocked. Christ called you “snakes”. I see no difference between you people and the diamondback rattlesnakes that slither in my back yard.
I actuall took no time too read what you wrote. Bye the way I did see you mention that Laura has good fashion sense and “likes younger men?” Whos childish? lol
All of you who Left Pkg because of your own sins, and your own choices, or simply only God can see where he is. And you really have nothing better to do than too mock gods two witnesses. I was poking fun at how You dedicate your life too trying to disprove truth. And you listen sabbath bye sabbath, and have nothing better too do with your saturday? maybe golfing? perhaps iceskating? Or just as Ron says “if you dont like it, go fly a kite.” My brothers and sisters see this world and you people for who you truly are. And the whole not giving my name out thing. Where were my manners? My name is Dominic. I have been mocked and made fun of ever since picking up Rons books and having my eyes opened. Your retarded babbling and al the fools who support you will be brought to an end. Or maybe when Germany enslaves our country, because our own government is running us into the ground. You better store up on food and water, and if you have kids i feel bad for them because your children will die if you do not repent. You know ” Think Differently”.
So maybe you should do something else with your life and say I really have nothing better too do. So what will you say when you admit you were wrong. And if you really were in the cog-pkg and baptized I feel sorry for you. I hope you realize what you are doing, I was making fun of this world, but if you left the cog, i apologize for your quick demise. i look forward too seeing you the last hundred years. Then you will admit your wrong, maybe sooner i dont know but it doesnt seem likely. Peace.
Well, I’ll let his diatribe speak for itself. This poor soul has been taken by the mind-snatchers. How so very sad, so very, very sad.
helpingusoon, you will really like my comments. I have never been a member of PKG or any other COG church. I am a Christian and like millions of other Christians, I worhship in an actual church on Sunday where we study the scriptures, can ask questions, and share in Gods love. Perhaps one day soon you will have your eyes opened and you will be able to fly a kite on Saturday and actually enjoy life. If you are an example of the PKG membership, the rest of the flock should be running for the door, or at least turning off their computers.
Angel said:
“This man has no insight into the fact that his behavior does not at all reflect the characteristics God is looking for in a believer: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.”
I suggest you would like to re-read many of the posts on this blog.
my mom always gives 50 dollars ever holly day i check her checking be cause i can and i ‘haven’t seen no tides latley i hope their not sneacking these guy’s cash so the irs don’t see it
Dominic said:
So what will you say when you admit you were wrong.
I for one will not have to admit I am wrong. Almost everything I have heard come out of the mouth of Ronald Weinland does not match up with what Jesus said. I trust Jesus before anything Ron can come up with. So your words rebound right back at you.
Mal, you seem to be flipping Angel’s comments back around. Angel had a point s/he was trying to make, it was pretty clear what that point is. But it’s not clear to me what your point is. So Mal, what is your point?
Back in June through August of last year, another PKG member who went by the handle “Observer” commented on this blog and also at the old blogspot location. Our exchanges while confrontational at times were pretty civil. But this guy blows in and just stirs the pot. I suspect that “Observer” has been around awhile and may even be one of the “sealed” ex-WCG members, while Dominic is likely a more recent convert. He’s not doing PKG any credit, which is different than my impression of Observer.
GD: I know you didn’t mean me
Whisper: Yes, this is typical PKG behaviour – mainly from Newbies (as I was). When you are teased and hassled for believing in Ron, then NOTHING happens (twice), after storing up food and water (twice – April 2008, then again in December 2008 – LOL, I still have 4 massive bags of rice, most the of the other stuff went off as had 1 year expiry date). You get VERY angry.
What you see Demonic write above, is very close to what I used to say to my husband.
You all know I have been an open book here, no matter how shameful my behaviour was back then. What Demonic writes above is just a taste.
I spat at my husband one day “You’ll die, your family will die, your nephews will die, and it is all because you didn’t believe Ron” and, “I can’t wait until all the shit hits the fan, then you will be thankful I stocked up all this food – thanks to me we will not be starving”, and “I can’t wait till all these pagans face their death for ignoring God’s Truth”.. Yes my friends, all this and worse came out of my mouth
– and I thought this would happen firstly in April 2008, then December 2008….. we’re all still alive and kicking….
Now that Demonic has given his name, I am sure the ministry will put a cap on him soon, as I am sure they read these blogs too. Whether Demonic obeys the ministry is yet to be seen, he would know he is not meant to be on this blog, yet here he is – I guess his anger is out of control at the moment from being hassled by his friends and family. If Demonic told the ministry he was writing here, he would be told to cease immediately and if he didn’t, would be promptly disfellowshipped. He has shown his disobedience already (as he obviously read my post, and didn’t check with his elder – this is not being a good student, and is not coming under submission of his elders) tsk tsk. Observer was naughty for being on here too, but eventually I guess he/she took the advice of the ministry and stopped posting here.
I’m a bit confused about one thing, he is mocking us for mocking, as mocking us mockers is his job apparently….. cool
I had to repent from saying those disgusting things – it is not really what PKG SAYS it’s about, but nonetheless, it is the FRUIT it produces, the effect it has on the mind.
When you ENTIRELY believe the events Ron foretold, wholeheartedly, and they didn’t happen, TWICE, and you had told all your family and friends, you get VERY ANGRY, as you can see Demonic is above. I was the same.
In the end for me, it was the scripture in Deut about the test of a prophet….. which I had conveniently ignored after first timeline failure.
The ministry NEVER ONCE addressed this scripture.
Demonic has done a very good job at stating the INWARD workings of the mind when you are in PKG (again, especially for the newer ones).
Aggie, was this also typical after the many failings in Herbie’s day?
Geez, I am a really bad speller … especially when it comes to names
I’ve said this before, that PKG members, especially new ones, don’t realise the ‘truths’ they believe (ie. Sabbath, Holy Days, Tithing etc) are ALL TAUGHT by other COG’s – so if they love the ‘truths’, why don’t they go to another COG that is not headed by a false prophet?
I understand why they love the ‘truths’, unfortunately, Ron has ruined this for many people too because he took it too far.
Just for the record, I never listened to another sermon by Ron since the day I left – I do enjoy my Saturdays… go to the beach, hang out with friends, ride my bike and enjoy the wind in my hair..
Bring on the weekend!!! Whoo Hoo!!!!
Yes Mike, I find it strange that angel has chosen to make that comment now. Why not before ?
Does angel think that all the other posts here exhibit love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control ? In fact, do you ?
My point is, why has angel decided to preach to this particular individual ? Are there not shortcomings pertaining to the ‘fruits of the Spirit’ in others here ? I suggested angel scans back through previous blog entries.
I find it curious the Mal is focusing solely on Angel’s comment. I wonder why he has conveniently ignored all the others.
Did you see where Angel pointed out “A believer should always be aware that he is held to a higher standard by both man and God.”?
Let’s take these one at a time:
Love — didn’t see too much from Dominic, rather the opposite.
Joy — I think Dominic is joyful at the expectation of seeing us suffer.
Peace — Dominic used the word to end a couple of his posts, but it was rather sarcastic considering what he’d said before.
Long suffering — he seems to be getting back at us for suffering he’s experienced as the result of proselyting his family and other associates
Kindness, Goodness, Gentleness — his pathetic rant is hardly exhibiting kindness
Self-control — didn’t see too much of that when he regurgitated Ron’s Flavor Aid all over my blog.
I’ll speak for myself regarding these attributes. I’ve exhibited:
Love — concern for those caught up in Ron’s con or about to be, that’s part of why I do this. And there’s more than what you see on this blog.
Joy — what I experience when I find that someone has either left Ron’s con or stopped short of joining it
Peace — I feel pretty peaceful, not being personally caught up in Ron’s con.
Long suffering — putting up with some of the type of comments posted here
Kindness, Goodness, Gentleness — goes along with long suffering
Self control — Not getting upset with Dominic’s deluded rant.
Not every post displays all of these attributes, and over the last couple of years of blogging I imagine I’ve slipped a bit from time to time. But I’ve exhibited some of this even with my “Speedy Sam” post, although I’m certain you’ll disagree. I certainly won’t claim kindness, goodness, and gentleness when it comes to Ron — but even though you won’t recognize it I’ve shown some of that with self control in some of the things I haven’t published about him. Sorry, but you’ll just have to take my word on that because proving it would be publishing it. But even there I can point out that I obviously have his address having published photos of his house, but I haven’t published the address. Even when it comes to Ron, I have not exhibited the same vile spirit that Ron has exhibited to me with his death curse, nor the vile spirit shown by Dominic in his postings — I have never called for his death nor reveled in the possibility, not even a spiritual one.
‘Not every post displays all of these attributes, and over the last couple of years of blogging I imagine I’ve slipped a bit from time to time.’
No one is perfect. But I have never seen you manifest a “spirit of hatred” on a vendetta here. Well, from you I mean.
Helpinusoon leaves all the “footprints”; the spelling and grammatical errors that the young weinlandobserver did last year. Poor kid, he needs an intervention, but there’s none to be found.
I can say with some confidence that Dominic is not Weinland Observer. Actually, WO had better English literacy than Dominic even though English is not WO’s native tongue, and WO had other considerations. I have a suspicion that the reason WO fell off the radar is that his parents found out and did an intervention.
I do feel sorry for Dominic’s daughter, growing up with such a deluded parent. And in a household with such apocalyptic thinking, which is what I experienced.
Sad, wanting to believe so strongly in a false person but getting nothing in return from ones own friends and family than pity when one attempts to glorify the Ron of PKG.
I guess it makes one angry as Kirrly stated. Sad to read from such a mixed up soul…
Well, fortunately there is still his whole remaining life to recover from Ron’s delusions that he bought into and that will last long beyond the 2012 deadline that Ron so delusionally made up.
So, there’s still hope for recovery in time. Our prayers go with him.
Jack635 said:
“Almost everything I have heard come out of the mouth of Ronald Weinland does not match up with what Jesus said.”
REALLY?
I am a Christian of reasonably long standing and I have been listening to RW’s weekly sermons for 24 months now. I have found his sermons to be interesting, knowledgeable, clear and scholarly. I can assure you that if “almost everything coming out of RW’s mouth did not match what Jesus said”, I would have closed the door on him long ago.
The last two series “Healing the Mind” and “This World’s Passover” are typically interesting. I have found them to be Scripturally accurate and clear, and much of what Jesus said is included in these particular sermon series.
I am well aware that this blog delights to poke fun at his sermons. Totally unjustified in my view.
My first thought? Dominic is a UCG’er who fell off the bus when the wheels came off the Council of Evil recently….P’raps not though.
“Hey, help-us-soon, just for the record and speaking strictly for myself, I reject the holy spirit, I reject the holy spirit, I reject the holy spirit. Three times, makes it offical, yes?
No no no, to REALLY piss off the Christians, you have to DENY their it’s-really-a-person-no-it’s-a-ghost-well-look-it’s-a-Mystery-seeee whatever-the-f$@& it actually is.
That won’t piss off CoGers though, because we thought the professing Christian idea of “the holy spirit” was asinine (as Weinland said himself, sometime in 2008).
Unfortunately, I was never disfellowshipped from the WWCG, I just walked away without waving bye, bye. Maybe stopping tithe payments is an automatic disfellowshipment, for all I know. Anyway, I never received anything official. And since I never caught a “splinter” I don’t have any black marks in those areas either.”
My experience as well. I was dropped into “the world” head-first, and it was all I could do to hang on for dear life! It was an…interesting ten years, to say the least.
“I do feel sorry for Dominic’s daughter, growing up with such a deluded parent. And in a household with such apocalyptic thinking, which is what I experienced.”
Yes, me too, although I fear I was the one who drank the apocalyptic Flavor-Aid of the church, even more than my parents did. Three-quarters of a century and that Kingdom ain’t come yet, CoGers! How’s your Beast Power looking now? Eh? Eh? Hah!
Bleah.
angel
You didn’t answer my point.
Why did you choose to preach to Dominic? Do you think that all the other posts here exhibit love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control ?
After spending 12 years in Armstrongism I finally pulled the plug some 30 years ago. A cult mind-set/world view is constructed entirely by the leader and his minions, leading to a horribly skewed reality and general appreciation of our Creator’s plans for each one of us and the world in general. All the fear, pain,hatred and sorrow that ensues from placing one or more people in authority between the individual and God is truly devastating. The fruit of cult leaders is spiritual poison. In my experience, I became truly free when, in the process of time, I was able to mentally step back from my blinkered existence and evaluate the whole COG circus with open eyes and unfettered heart. How wonderful it was (and is) to have good friends, also in the “One True Church”, who gently and honestly could discuss events in the OTC in our small circle.
I can, to my embarrassment, at least partly understand the position that Dominic has taken. I too was brainwashed and longing for a better “world tomorrow” where peace and harmony would universally reign. I too longed for “this present evil world” to be destroyed in a horrifying set of plagues and cataclysms. Powerful stuff, this OTC mentality.
Yes, I know people in PKG, but they are far more mature than Dominic. He will change over time, as will all members of the COG institutions, even our old friend Ronnie. Patience, friends! As the song says: “love is all you need”.
On this blog I see lovely people, caring folk who really show some of the love to which I refer. You are all most precious in my view, and when “the penny drops” for people such as Dominic or even Ronnie, you will know that you had a part in a good work in this hurting and fear-filled world.
helping u soon (supposedly Dominic) says ;
“You better store up on food and water”;
Well if that is the case i hope you are doing what RON told you to do (if you were around in 2008) which is to store ONLY a “few days” worth…not months etc,…infact he told me personally (face to face) in “2008″ that i should only stock about 3 days food and water for the coming terrorist attack etc (2nd trumpet )…point is, …if you are “doing your own thing” Dominic and storing more than this and thus “not” listening to R_N’s word (his name is too holy to pronounce) on stockpiling (which ive just explained), then you are going against God in Rons eyes. I could mention a few more things but i can’t be bothered as you are seemingly too wrapped up in yourself to notice…i think you may even be mentally unstable by the way you are acting and thus a possible danger to innocent people such as your daughter.
Get a grip Dominic…atleast for your daughters sake.
If you have a daughter that is
Mal, Angel did not respond to your point, it was I. And you totally miss my point, which was that needshelpsoon displayed the opposite of those attributes.
Yes, I imagine that you think that all my criticisms of his sermons are totally unjustified. You’ve clearly decided to start drinking Ron’s Flavor Aid.
XCOGGER, it’s true that people change over time. But not always for the better, Ronnie being an example from comments I’ve read. At the age of 60, I expect he’s pretty well set in his ways and doubt he’s going to get any better.
Mike
I’m aware you answered and I thank you for your response.
You expressed your personal view and this is your blog.
Since the original preaching came from angel I would like angel’s honest unbiased answer.
Once again, my point is ‘Why did angel choose to preach specifically regarding the mockery from Dominic in his post ?’
Does angel consider all the other mocking comments on this blog to be Godly and exhibiting the fruits of the Spirit ?
A yes or no answer will do angel.
MAL, probably because all the other mockers are not exibiting a “holier than thou”/ “i’m saved and your not” attitude that dominic exhibited.
dude, use the thing between your ears…that’s why God gave it to you.
Let’s not let the discussion get too far out of hand. I’ll leave Todd’s comment intact, but the last sentence is pushing it.
I expect a lively discussion, with opposing viewpoints and yes confrontational at times, but let’s not get too overboard in what we say about one another. Certainly no ad hominem attacks.
MY APOLOGIES
Mal,
Sorry I didn’t answer you sooner; I do have a life apart from blogging
Many of those posting here do not profess to be believers, and if you have issues with any who do, you may want to address those individuals directly. You can’t in all fairness lump everyone here into one category and make broad statements that apply to us all.
I don’t lump you in with someone like helpingusoon, for example. I actually do give you credit for displaying some of the characteristics I shared, and behaving in a civil manner. We may have different ideas of what it means to “preach” to someone; I look at it more as “exhorting”, as in reminding and encouraging them, to do/continue doing, what is right. If you think I was wrong about the characteristics helpingusoon displayed, tell me how and I will apologize.
Most people here will readily admit they mock Ron, at the same time pointing out he mocks those who mock him. They’re not upset about the mocking so much as the inconsistency of him complaining about it and then doing it himself. Mike allows mocking of Ron just as he allows comments that support Ron. I respect the fact that it’s his blog and his rules just as I support the rules on any other blog I participate in.
I don’t in all honesty think you agree with his words/attitude, I think you’re trying to create a distraction because you see that he’s not helping Ron’s cause and that makes you feel bad. I don’t blame you, but there’s no hope of you doing that – his words are in print for all to see and they won’t be ignored.
Mike,
Thanks for the comment.
We live in hope.
Pray for a miracle??
Mal said:
“I am a Christian of reasonably long standing…”
So is the Pope. Wonder what he’d say about Ron’s sermons?
Since I’ve been where you are, I certainly appreciate your personal camera angle to the world. You need to step out from behind that camera and come to appreciate the viewpoint of others. But you probably can’t that because you’ve been taught to condescendingly sneer at other people’s viewpoints. Hey, that’s fine by me, just don’t be too surprised one day if you wake up and discover that everything you know is wrong.
Mal,
You asked the question: why now? So I will ask: why not now? It seems to me your question isn’t really about the timing so much as it is about why I’m not addressing this to others that you feel are equally “guilty”, so to speak, of not displaying the characteristics expected from a believer. I guess I could turn this around and ask why you’re not doing that, either. I don’t hear you calling people “fools” or “retards”, or saying you can’t wait for bad things to happen to those who don’t agree with you, or using the mocking, maniacal sounding “hahaha’s” in your comments – why IS that? Could it be that you don’t think it’s appropriate behavior for a believer? If so, why aren’t you commenting on that?
I think the answer to that question, for both of us, is that while we may not approve of someone else’s behavior we may be reluctant to throw them under the bus; our response is usually to hope everyone ignores them and doesn’t judge the rest of us by their actions. I don’t defend bad behavior, but I can’t answer for anyone else, nor should I be expected to. When you are rude to someone, as helpingusoon most undoubtedly was, you must answer for yourself.
“LOL, I still have 4 massive bags of rice, most the of the other stuff went off as had 1 year expiry date). You get VERY angry.”
A few years after joining WCG, I was at a friends’ house who had joined the church long before I did, and I noticed some big containers of rice, beans, and other “survival foods” in his garage, that he hadn’t gotten around yet to throwing away.
I asked what all that stuff was, and he said, “Oh, that’s from ’72″.
I didn’t realize until later that Herbert had predicted the Great Tribulation to start sometime around 1972.
“When you ENTIRELY believe the events Ron foretold, wholeheartedly, and they didn’t happen, TWICE, and you had told all your family and friends, you get VERY ANGRY…..”
After Joe Tkach initiated the changes, I remember people who were VERY ANGRY as well, as this was something that just wasn’t supposed to happen.
I learned later on that my friend committed suicide.
It just goes to show how dangerous this kind of situation can be for some people. And sure, suicide is an extreme case. But nevertheless, it’s an example, in the extreme, of the kind of “Fruit” that can result from people like Ron Weinland and Herbert.
I just hope that Mal and Dominic, and others like them, will see past the “mocking” and take what people have to say on this blog as a warning.
Because when it becomes obvious to PKG that Ron is not who he says he is, there’s going to be a good number of VERY ANGRY people.
“It just goes to show how dangerous this kind of situation can be for some people. And sure, suicide is an extreme case. But nevertheless, it’s an example, in the extreme, of the kind of “Fruit” that can result from people like Ron Weinland and Herbert.”
As the Suicide Statistics from The Painful Truth will attest…..
RK:Because when it becomes obvious to PKG that Ron is not who he says he is, there’s going to be a good number of VERY ANGRY people.
Unfortunately it won’t be obvious to most of them until May 28th 2012. Even then, there will be those who will swallow what Ron tells them and stick with him for the next prophecy.
And Mal you said: I can assure you that if “almost everything coming out of RW’s mouth did not match what Jesus said”, I would have closed the door on him long ago.
I made sure I put the word “almost” in my statement because I have heard him read some sentences without interuption. But any time he comes across scripture which contradicts his view, he stops mid-sentence to perform sorcery on the minds of the listeners. Most importantly is his return date for Jesus. Now what was it that Jesus said about the time of his return? No one knows the day or time…..
The book the preacher claims to know so much about actually convicts him of being false and blind.
my words shall not pass away — Jesus
Ron says Jesus’ words have passed away and Ron has the authority to change them.
Mal, don’t forget about Ron said about these words: Before Abraham was, I am. So now Jesus is a liar too?
Sometimes I forget that MANY people have gone thru what I have, but much worse.
The main person I was angry at was myself, then lost. Lost because as Baywolf said, I did wake up and realise that everything I believed didn’t seem true. Ouch.
The thing that does make me angry, although illogical, is that I know what pkg members think of me “in the arms of Satan” as was said to me on another blog.
For someone that has spent half a life looking for God, well, it made me mad. Not so much now tho, as now I know the world is NOT about to blow up, my heart doesn’t race every minute, I can now actually ENJOY this beautiful planet, the beach, the sun, the stars, the mountains, the wonder as I look at all the beautiful animals. Yes, and once again see the beauty that is in most of our hearts.
angel
Ok, thanks for your response.
When I first found this blog after I had been on Citizen X’s blog I was shocked at the rabid mocking. I can see nowhere in Scripture where rabid mocking is advocated or condoned, either by the one who initiates it or in a ‘tit for tat’ manner. On the other hand there are plenty of Scriptures
which tell us to love our enemies, overcome evil with good, not to retaliate etc.
Dominic (helpingusoon) in his own extreme way was making a statement. Was what he said right? Of course not, but I was curious to know why you had singled him out to quote Scripture at.
“Many of those posting here do not profess to be believers” – Ok, let’s leave it at that. I certainly won’t be going round asking who are believers and who aren’t, or taking issue with people’s mocking comments individually.
Mal
Could you define “mocking” for me. I think I am a little confused. When you say rabid mocking, I understand that rabid would mean extreme or very enthusiastic. But what is meant by mocking?
Is it repeating what someone has said, but in a sarcastic or whining tone? I have been reading the word mocking on these blogs for about two years now and I need a definition. Sorry if I seem un educated.
Given that God says:
“Deut 18:20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’”
Given that Weinland is under a death sentence, whatever mocking I do instead pales in comparison. Besides which, he likes having blogs that pay attention to him, he’s just like his formal spiritual idol Herbie.
“Deut 18:20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’”
Well Mike, what God wants, God gets. After all, he is God.
But I’m happy to let God get what he wants on his own. And perfectly content with just mocking him.
My Lord, “The Eternal” has promised that he would send his two witnesses before Armageddon. Rev 11 vs 3 : And I will give power unto my two wittnesses and they shall prophesy ( because they are prophets!Come on people its simple) 1260 days, clothed in sackcloth. (humility) You people will get what you want, Ron & Laura will be put to death bye the “Pope”, you know the guy who defends sexual offenders for harming little children. Yeah, that ego maniac with the funny hat. He kinda looks like emperor Palpatine from Star Wars. I really dont see a difference between the two though. Its kinda funny if you think about it. Anyway this guy has Ron & Laura put too death in Jerusalem. But bye this time alot of you will be dead, probably myself I dont know, but all that scripture says is that they will be dead 3.5 days and then Christ Returns. I have rather enjoyed mocking you people because your all so ignorant too the truth and ALL OF YOU misinterpret scripture and twist it too your liking. But now reading how you people respond to my mockery of you, all you prove is that you are all misled bye yourselves. You will have your eyes opened when Nuclear Devices go off in our port cities. Have you listened too your president say that the greatest threat too our world is Terrorist with nuclear capabilities. They dont believe that terrorist have the ability or know how too take this country down. But sadly like 9/11, there will be nothing this country can do to stop what is coming. We will all be brought too our knees from what happens too us. Hows the economy holdin out for you? Did you read when Ron mentioned that bye the Fall of 2008 this country would not exists as the predominate world superpower?(Basically meaning we are relying on foreign aid to keep us afloat, which any smarter man could see obviously). That there will be global economic upheavel, the likes which man has never seen. How are your 401ks and investments working out? Have you not been able too pay your bills on time? Have you felt the sting of this prophecy? Anyway “The Eternal” loves everyone in his creation, even you adulterers, idolaters, liars, lovers of self, you are all mocking and decieving people. My God and Rons God, you see because we worship the same God, will bring all of you to humility, through death, maybe, but for your sakes, all of the timing is in his hands.(God)
So i will gladly read all of your opinions, and I hope all of you do what you feel best. Keep mocking and keep maing fun of God. Ron speaks of the truth and you hate it. I will see all of you later, may my God have mercy on you all.
It’s very interesting that Dominic doesn’t know the difference between “too” and “to”, or “bye” and “by”, or “your” and “you’re” but yet is able to spell “Nuclear” properly despite following the false prophet who says “nukular”.
My 401K has recovered quite nicely, thank you, my bills are all paid, and my net worth is higher than it was two years ago. He asks about what our president thinks, a president whom Ronnie prophesied would never take office. And about the nuclear bombs that were to detonate in our port cities no later than 21 months ago. Yes, they were quite eye-opening.
What a twisted demented God he has, who loves us, and wants to kill us, but needs our money.
Dominic, does Don Edwards know that you’re commenting here?
Mal,
You said “I can see nowhere in Scripture where rabid mocking is advocated or condoned, either by the one who initiates it or in a ‘tit for tat’ manner. On the other hand there are plenty of Scriptures which tell us to love our enemies, overcome evil with good, not to retaliate etc.”
Question: do you include Dominic in that statement, or just the rest of us? Because you then said “Dominic (helpingusoon) in his own extreme way was making a statement….” Well, aren’t the rest of us making statements, too, perhaps in our own extreme ways?
You said “Was what he said right? Of course not, but I was curious to know why you had singled him out to quote Scripture at.” Mal, come on now; wasn’t Dominic himself quoting scripture? This sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black – you’ve admitted he was wrong, and that scripture doesn’t advocate rabid mocking (which is what we heard from Dominic); he quoted scripture (in an inflammatory way, I might add) so I responded with some scripture, which I think is perfectly reasonable – I don’t think that was out of line.
Dominic chooses to comment on this blog, but not in a productive way. He shows himself to be no better than the mockers he so vehemently mocks himself. I don’t see any indication that he cares what anyone here thinks, as he thinks none of us have a brain, or that he cares about anyone here – period. Tell the truth, what do you hear in his comments: someone who loves his enemies or someone who will be glad to see his enemies get what he thinks they’ve got coming?
Message To Mal: ur smarter than the rest, and here is your scripture( and this is God saying this to Israel(us) propheticaly) Proverbs 1 vs 26: I also will laugh at your calamity: I will mock when your fear cometh:
27:When your fear comes as desolation, and your destruction comes as a whirlwind: when distress and anguish comes upon you.
28: then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer: they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
29:For that they hated “knowledge”, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:(listening to Gods Prophets)
30: They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproopf.
31:Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.(ways, thoughts, perverted ideas contrary to the “One true God”).
32:For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
33:But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear and evil.
I love this life, I have a daughter and see a better future for her beyond this perverted World where I would fear her be alone with anyone besides myself or her mother. I believe what I do because I truly believe that God dwells in this body of people.
This small (mustard seed) pathetic church that all of you in the world mock, ridicule, and make fun of, known as Cog-Pkg, this is the only place where “The Eternal” is working, and what better way to do it then with his two witnesses at the helm. But when their testimony is finished, and The Pope has them put to death, keep your cameras focused, and make sure you have plenty of film, because a Lion is coming out of the clouds to destroy those who are destroying this earth. And that will be the day that proverbs 1 vs 26 speaks of. Open your eyes people and consider that this world is not right, that the economy, the wars, the weather, earthquakes(San Francisco soon), our government, this is not right. I fear for my daughter, and as far as I am aware of, I have never seen any kool aid served at our potlucks. Kinda funny you should mention the whole kool aid suicide incident, I get that a lot. Anyway, I dont hate you people, your just blind. But your mockery will not go unpunished, you will lose loved ones, its in scripture, only 10 million make it out of this country? Say good bye to 1 out of every 3 people you love. This is not funny and I dont hate your children, I feel for them, if your ears dont open the day that the terrorist set off those nukes, then you better expect your odds of survivng to decrease drastically, because only God will be able to protect you, and hopefully you dont continue to mock him and his Servants, Apostles, Prophets, Disciples, Saints. I hope the pill wont be to hard too swallow when Christ returns.
Peace
1 Kings 18:27
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
Yeeeeah……kinda funny a prophet of God would mock those who didnt believe in “The Eternal”. I guess that makes him not of God. Considering he was a prophet, how cruel to mock and make fun of the “Priests of Baal” you know. The Sun God. Sunday? This doesnt ring a bell right now? Hypocrites, you can dish it but you cant eat it. Go figure, manking is truly pathetic against The Eternal.
Chronicles 36:16
But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy. (This is you people and the time soon to come.)
Job 12:4
I am as one mocked of his neighbour, who calleth upon God, and he answereth him: the just upright man is laughed to scorn.
(I wonder why you are all laughing so hard?)
Job 21:3
Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on.
(So just mock me when i am done making my point.)
Oh Mike
You should know what Don would think.
I never said I was better than anyone else here. If you could read properly, and yes. I dont know my grammar very well, as you can tell. But I wonder what that means? A little jab for me there bud? Funny. I wondered how people would like taking a dose of their own medicine?
So I acted rather foolish and childish, as have most of you in your responses to Ron, the church, or myself. Its very interesting to note that people hate too be made fun of, or mocked, or called retarded, and brainless to the ways of God, and the truths he reveals to his prophets. The people who point and laugh cant stand it in turn?
I hope those nukes dont go off for another year, that would be great. But it could happen tommorow.
It will happen, and this economy will collapse, and just because you have money today doesnt meen you will have it tommorow.
Helpingusoon,
Here’s a prophecy – You will evaporate like the morning dew when Ron changes the timeline again.
Ron doesn’t only twist scripture, he changes it out right. Rev 11:6 …. and they have the power to strike the earth with plagues AS OFTEN AS THEY WISH. Ron’s interpretation, we CAN’T USE OUR WITNESS POWERS UNLESS IT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOD’S WILL THAT’S WHY WE ARE NOT USING THEM. When the scripture states God’s will plainly – that the witnesses should use the powers He gave them AS OFTEN AS THEY WISH.
You will not be helping anyone soon. Period.
Dill Weed
Dill Weed,
God point!
But we must never forget that ANYTHING that Ron claims he is or can do may on any “pretext” be classified as SPIRITUAL, and not physical (or real??).
We have an unreal prophet/apostle in our midst!
And still no rebuttal to at least the scripture in Duet, the test of a prophet…. Or was that scripture a typo? What about rons petition of God to kill off the other ministers? Oh that’s right, all the thunders written in the books have been re-called.
Whatever…. We all know who will be eating their words. I just hope Dominic doesn’t off himself when the day comes.
To angel;
We dont try to convince people to join the church. evidence of truth proves itself to different people in all types of situations in their own personal lives. I have been given plenty of evidence bye God that this is his church. Through scripture and prophecy, scripture states truth, and Ron knowhere conflicts with the teachings of christ. I have a mind and think for myself, my sin is my sin, but at least i try to make myself better. some people cant see themselves and their lies.
Okay dill weed. You cant even see what that scripture is stating plainly.(When they want, it wont come immediatly, but it will happen. but some things will happen fast. our country is suffering enough already, I dont have to be in the church too see that. Their prophecies are for a time when The U.S.E comes to power. Ron & Laura could care less what you think of them, This is about “Truth”, look it up in the dictionary, and carefully read the definition. Only one way of life is right. That is Gods way. That begins with his commandments. Including the 7th day sabbath, which the Catholic church changed to a day of worship of the Sun God Baal, Sunday. Um, Duh! Do you not see the paradox to people professing themselves as true followers of christ?
Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
(Christ did not mince words when he called people who “claimed to be religious” what they really were. Your’re all just a bunch of snakes! The ones who think they know more than Gods own prophets, and his son. You people dont love your neighbor, you just love yourselves and what you think. I believe in God, and I believe God works only through his Prophets and Apostles. Of which Ron is both, not only is Ron a End Time Prophet, and an Apostle, and One of the two witnesses, and Zerrubabel, And finally also he is “The End Time Elijah”. Ron is of God and speaks in his name. I believe in God, not Ron. Only God reveals truth too his servants the apostles and prophets first. Malachi 4 vs 5: Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the lord:6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.(complete death)
SO I ASK EVERYONE HERE? ARE YOU A PROPHET, OR ARE YOU AN APOSTLE? You think you know truth so enlighten me. Teach me something new. Try to prove too me that christians should worship on Sunday. Prove to me where it says believe in the “Trinity”. Should I believe in Christmass? Is it christian? I see where it tells me to observe Gods “Holy Days” in scripture, but not “Holidays”, where do you think that word comes from? Look it up in Leviticus chapter 23.
TELL ME YOUR THE END TIME ELIJAH! TELL ME YOUR A PROPHET IF YOU KNOW WHAT GOD COMMANDS OF US.
Ron doesnt care what you people think of him. God doesnt care what you people think. We are nothing compared to God and if “WE” myself included who think we know so much could just see that this is all about God, not Ron. He speaks in Gods name thats it. He has never accepted praise unto himself and he actually discourages it.
AND PLAUGES AS OFTEN AS THEY WISH. What do you think this means? This is not for our country, but for Europa when she arises for the 7th time.
So when Ron & Laura begin their witness against “The Great Whore”(catholic church), they will begin to show more signs FROM GOD because the only way they can pronounce judgements is in Gods name. Does that not make sense? That this is not about Ron or Laura, or the Cog. This is all about “The One True Eternal God”. That the reason this world must be brought to such destruction is so that Christ can rule.
Dominic, this blog (correct me if I am wrong Mike) is NOT to discuss relegious beliefs – many people here may or may not believe ALL of the above – THAT is NOT the question. The QUESTION is whether or not RON WEINLAND is a FALSE prophet. The burden of proof is on Ron’s head, not ours. He is the one making the claim after all.
Remember, it’s NOT ABOUT RELEGIOUS BELIEFS – it’s about whether Ron is false or not. Sunday/Saturday, XMas/Easter, Jesus eternal/not eternal, scriptures don’t need to be brought up here. People have been arguing since the world was created about these beliefs, and Rons Books were meant to get rid of all that confusion, as EVENTS UNFOLDED EXACTLY AS HE SAID THEY WOULD. People would know who to listen to, who was right (shame none of that happened) etc. Therefore, once again, its all about the FACTS as to if the THINGS RON SAID WOULD HAPPEN HAVE OR HAVE NOT.
1. Ron wrote 2 books.
2. Stated that events must take place EXACTLY as he stated, in the TIMING he stated (two timelines have now been proven false).
3. He has said that he is God’s Final Witness.
4. He said the PROOF that He was God’s Final Witness would be in the EVENTS HAPPENING EXACTLY (yes, exactly) as he stated.
No other supporter of Ron has been able to answer the following questions (apart from saying God puts it your mind) – so maybe you can address all of these failures PROVEN in Rons own books, in his own words.
You obviously like preaching, and typing : so could you address all of the points below and tell us where we have misunderstood? Clearly and concisely please – as you obviously believe you will be a teacher of the heathens in the 100 years…. we could really use your wisdom, as we must have misunderstood something…..
So then, please – enlighten us:-
Questions for Dominic to answer:- (All quotes come from the book God’s Final Witness).
Point 1: Page 4, GFW first paragraph: “The proof of the validity of my first book, and now this one, is in the timing and the destruction that follows, EXACTLY as both books describe.” So, it is the TIMING that determines it’s validity.
Q: So, if the TIMING is what VALIDATES the book, why have 2 timelines FAILED? (ie. April 17, 2008, then December 2008).
Point 2: Page 4, Paragraph 3: “What we have witnessed since those interviews a year ago will only increase in magnitude and frequency until we come to the last and final stage. This final stage is referred to as the great tribulation, which is prophesied to last for a final three and one half years. It will begin with one third of the United States being destroyed – followed by World War III.”
Q: Dominic, can you tell me when 1/3 USA was destroyed?
Point 3: Page 6, 3rd Paragraph: Ron states that people can not believe things unless there is proof. That is part of the reason God chose to reveal end time events in the manner that He has – who are people to believe with all the different religions out there?
Q: Can you tell what what proof in that Ron’s ‘prophecies’ have actually eventuated? 2 timeline failures – and THIS is how God proves Ron is his end time witness?
Point 4: Page 8, 2nd Paragraph: “Only God Himself can prove what is true by bringing to pass EXACTLY what He has said. Only the next few years can prove whether or not these two books are true and of God. If nothing happens, then you can know positively that this is complete fiction.”
Q: Can you explain whether God gave it to Ron wrong, or God was wrong in the timing x 2? Was God wrong, Jesus wrong, or Ron wrong?
Poing 5: Page 8, 3rd Paragraph: “This is one of the main reasons these books have been written, so that people can begin to respond to the one Great Creator God when they see these things come to pass.”
Q: When they see things come to pass hey? Well, I waited in April 2008, and again in December 2008 – both times RON WAS WRONG – NOTHING HAPPENED.
Point 6: Page 9, 2nd Paragraph: “This period of time will BEGIN with one-third of the United States being destroyed.”
Q: So does BEGIN now mean at the END like you say? I must get out my dictionary.
Point 7: Page 11, para 3: “These two witnesses will be the most formidable prophets God has ever used in all 6,000 years of human history.”
Q: Um, what power have they displayed? Prophets of old displayed all sorts of power – what power have they displayed that is greater?
Point 8: Page 16, Para 2: “The other witness will be revealed to the world during the time of the great tribulation – WITHIN the final the and one-half years of man’s era.”
Q: 2nd witness revealed during false first time line, and alluded to way before that – remember Dominic, Ron said events in the book were to happen EXACTLY as stated…..
Point 9: Page 21, Para 3 : “When that seal (7th) is opened, you can rest assured, the final tribulation has arrived. God says that time will last for 3 ½ years. Prophecy shows that one third of the United States will be destroyed after this seal is opened.”
Q: OK – 7th Seal opened for the second time, we are now awaiting the supposed 2nd Trumpet (for the SECOND TIME) – still no 1/3 destruction of the US – Please explain this to us.
Point 10: Page 21, last para: “These two will know positively when God gives them this power, and from that time they know that exactly three and one-half years remain.”
Q: But now Ron is saying his “powers” will not be evident (this is the 2nd time he has ‘received’ his powers mind you) until after the 5th trumpet – another point proven FALSE. Unless you can explain this to us?
Point 11: Page 23, last para (this one is the most used) : “….the world will be shocked and in horror on the day that the seventh seal is opened.”
Q: The WORLD was NOT (nor were PKG members – either on the opening of the seal for the first or second time). FAILED. Unless this has happened and we did not realise? Please explain…
Point 12: Page 24, first para : “God has given to Jesus Christ the timing for the seals to be opened, and Jesus Christ in turn has given the timing to me.”
Q: Is this maybe a case of Chinese Whispers? Jesus heard from God wrong, or Ron heard wrong from Jesus? FALSE – First timeline (as stated Jesus gave to Ron) FAILED. (Remember, again, the book said events will happen EXACTLY as written in the 2 books.) Ron has used the excuse that he manually worked out the dates based on an OLD TRUTH, fair enough…. but HERE he says that GOD GAVE IT… so which is it? Did Ron work it out for himself, or did God give it? Please explain.
Point 13 : Page 5, Last para: “NOW is the time God has chosen to begin revealing himself fully to this world.”
Q: YES, BY GIVING RON A FALSE FIRST TIMELINE, CHANGING THE SECOND ONE FROM THE FIRST (IE. 45-90 DAYS OUT THE WINDOW) AND GETTING OFF TO A VERY SLOW START ON THE SECOND? MMMM. Yes, revealing Himself, and Powerfully so to the World that is for sure – NOT. FAILED. Unless again Dominic, you could shed some light on this for us?
Point 14: Page 57, para 3: “God’s 2 end time prophets will exercise great power, both in power displayed on the earth and in power of the revelation of God – more than all other prophets combined.”
Q: First timeline, this most powerful prophet of all time got it wrong. And now nearly 7 months into the second timeline – no power. FAILED. It is also interesting that another COG got the second timeline BEFORE Ron.. mmmmm, they also believe EVERYTHING you have written above – maybe THAT COG is the RIGHT ‘Church’???
Point 15: Page 57, para 4: “As I have stated, I am one of those prophets, and I am also the spokesman of both. That which I am telling you is not of me, it is from the God of Abraham.”
Q: SO IT’S NOT OF RON, SO GOD GOT IT WRONG THE FIRST TIME, AND IS NOT SURE WHAT TO DO THE SECOND TIME AROUND. WE’RE ALL WAITING, RON. Dominic, a little help here too please?
Point 16: Page 104, last paragraph : “God will humble the Church, and He will humble the world through end time events described in this book. It is by this very means that God will reveal through whom He is now working. Specifically regarding his two end time witnesses, it will be by the power given to them for destruction and plagues, not healing.”
Q: Again we are WAY into the SECOND timeline, no powers (remember, their powers and ministry are meant to go for 1260 days – or is the Bible not true in this regard). Please enlighten us. Remember, their ministry is for 3.5 years apparently, so saying it will not come until the Beast power is a cop out. Remember NOW is meant to be the time God is revealing himself as Ron stated above, but now he has changed it to the end of the tribulation?? Mmmmmm.
Point 17: Page 104 last paragraph: “Escalating deaths in the leadership of the scattered groups will serve as a witness of who it is through whom God is working. It will not be done through miraculous signs of healing.”
Q: This is talking of the 5th Thunder of the 6th Seal – we are now meant to be in the 2nd time of duration of the 1st trumpet of the 7th Seal– still no deaths in COG leadership. So Domonic, if events in the book are meant to happen EXACTLY as the books describe, why are none of these ministers dead yet?.
Point 18: Page 107, Paragraph 3: (Note – this is written after the book went to great length to describe Elijah’s petition of God to let the people know he was His servant – and God answered by burning the sacrifice.) “I have also made a petition to the Eternal God of Abraham. My petition is that this first phase of the Fifth Thunder (note: of the 6th Seal) be fulfilled exactly as it is written here.” – FAILED.
Q: Twice now we have been in the fifth thunder of the 6th Seal – we are now in the 7th, (for the second time) – petition NOT GRANTED. God’s rejection of Ron’s petition is a glaring example alone that RON IS FALSE.
Point 19: Page 110, Para 2: (NOTE: Ron has stated in the past that the thunders will continue on into the great tribulation and increase in intensity – but..) “The Seven Thunders have much to do with how God will reveal his two witnesses. These thunders serve as a PRELUDE to the final tribulation, and the greater manifestation of those 2 witnesses.”
Q: Again, we are in the second tribulation, awaiting 2nd trumpet – no such prelude. FAILED. Better get out the dictionary again – what does PRELUDE mean? Please tell us Dominic.
Point 20: Page 111, Para 2: “The answer that I am who I say I am will be given by the events described in both books coming true EXACTLY has I have described. This will be the proof that I am God’s end time witness and spokesman. But before great power is given to me to perform miraculous events similar to those of Moses (but with far greater power), once the seventh seal is opened (note – not delayed until the 5th trumpet of the seventh seal!) and the final three and one half years of worldwide tribulation, God has reserved these seven thunders for me to declare.”
Q: But now Ron has changed the Thunders to mean nothing, but just to push mockers buttons? What happened to things happening EXACTLY as the books state? Is God trying to trick us? I thought he was meant to be revealing himself to us now as Ron said? So which is it?? I am confused…. who is the author of confusion again?
Point 21: Page 111, para 4: “All seven thunders are given as God’s proof that I am his end time prophet.” So now it’s not a proof, just to push mockers buttons when nothing happens? Again, I’m confused….
Q: As already stated in his books, thunders are PRELUDE to tribulation. Thunders have not happened (except financial – again, Ron is no different to MANY others out there saying this). Dominic, now that Ron says the Thunders don’t count, why are you still going on about earthquakes etc? Our Stock markets have also recovered very nicely – today actually, they have just broken through a previous Resistance Levels, and a strong one at that, which is a very bullish sign…. Yeah yeah, it will crash one day – all society’s eventually do – it’s nothing new. Maybe my stockbroker is God’s Final Witness, he predicted much better than Gods supposed most formidable prophet.
Point 22: Page 118, para 1 (speaking of the first trumpet) : “When we are told that a third of all plant life will be destroyed, that is EXACTLY what it means.”
Q: But then, it turned into Green Money burning – spritiually – gee, I really must look up the word EXACTLY. We are on the 2nd blowing of the first trumpet, no such destruction. Remember, we have already covered the fact that events must occur EXACTLY has written in the book for it to be proven Ron is from God. Please tell us what we are not understanding.
Point 23: Page 118, para 1 “It should also be noted, that in the first trumpet there is fire mingled with blood. Blood means there will be much death when this event occurs. Most of it will be the death of animals and birds, but also a large number of people will die – into the tens of thousands.”
Q: FAILED – 2nd blowing of the first trumpet – no destruction, no “event”. Unless we missed something? Please tell us Dominic.
If you could just answer these questions, it would be a real eye opener. No other PKG supporter even ATTEMPTED to answer these questions – so it would be great if you could FINALLY answer them for us.
Awaiting your response, and thank you in advance.
Wayne Matthews gave me many copies of the ‘Timelines’ – I always thought it was strange they kept changing. New copies were sent to me, and I was told to destroy the old ones. Very interesting…… I don’t have proof of this, as I was OBEDIENT to Wayne and destroyed all old copies (unless Mike, did I send you a couple? I can’t remember….).
It will be so good to finally have these questions answered – I have a feeling that Dominic might just be able to answer them for us
Domonic,
I think the point you have to concede, is that RW has no proof what so ever of that which he claims. I think most christians would welcome a prophet who was to assist christ in ushering in his kingdom……………but RW has claimed that God was going to give us great proof as to RW claims as to who he is. So far there has been not one shred of evidence to his claims. God has always empowered is prophets to demonstrate that they where acting under divine power. God did not send Moses to pharoah empty handed, and christ himself demonstrated his divinity by miraculous acts. If Ron and Laura are the two witnesses, they would not ask for cash or live a materialistic life style, cash and material wealth would be insignificant trifles to prophets of God. Jesus himself demonstrated is anger really only once and that was due to the temples exploitation of its flock. There is a definite need for every church to have an income and in traditional christianity its left to the conscience of the giver during collection and is certainly not a requisite for membership. You cant honestly expect people to flock to RW and believe him as he has no credability, this is not me mocking or ridiculing him, its just statements of fact as I see them.
Just additional to my last post. Revelation says “they will prophesy for 1,260 days” They, meaning both or am I being presumptious? So far the world has only heard from one, again the “world” meaning the planet, I doubt whether there are maybe a handful of people outside the US who may have heard of RW and LW. If they chose to use their witness powers I would guarantee they woud have world coverage in a nano second, the prophesying which would last 1,260 days would be waited for in great anticipation daily and the prophecy the proclaim would be the fulfilment of all that up to now that hasn’t come to pass. I know you think Iam blind and that you will claim that God has not opened my mind or heart, but given this evidence (or lack of it) what other conclusion could I come to?
Dominic
I think we share a certain amount of common ground.
My own belief is that the door is still open for Ron Weinland. I am still interested because the timeline he has put together appears to fit well with Scripture as well as God’s Holy Days and is indeed centred around 2008, the title of his book. His argument that Joseph Tkach Snr was the ‘man of sin’ of 2Thess2 vs 3-4, who decimated the WCOG, seems worthy of consideration. Furthermore, contrary to what is stated on this blog, I find his sermons interesting, coherent and scholarly. Also, after careful consideration, I don’t feel I could categorically rule out any of the ‘truths’ he has come up with.
The 7000 year plan of God, with Jesus returning after 6000 years, has always been a fundamental part of my theological understanding. I think it is reasonably clear we are close to that point now, so I believe we should be watchful.
However, I would strongly urge caution. One thing I have learnt from this blog is that many people’s lives have been turned upside down and they have been traumatized by their experience of ‘church’. This has included being expectant for certain things to happen which didn’t. From your blog posts you seem to be absolutely full-on for PKG, and it could be devastating for you if he is ultimately proven to be false.
It is clear that a number of things he has predicted have not yet taken place, and this should certainly ring some alarm bells.
Thankfully, we don’t have long to wait to find out for sure. It will certainly be clear to me in a matter of months. Contemplating another timeline from Ron Weinland would be out of the question.
You probably know already, but you might want to visit Aaron Robinson’s blog. Also Citizen X’s blog.
There is no limitation to Europe for the exercise of Two Witness powers. Show me.
This is an example of ‘adding to scripture’ – something that IS mentioned in the bible, unfavorably.
The door is not still open for Ron, it closed a long time ago. It is going to slam shut when he has to admit his claim about Christ’s return is WRONG.
Is it any source of wonder to you that we are almost half way through the Great Tribulation and no one knows about it?
Where are the Thunders that are supposed to identify Ron and Laura publicly as God’s End Time prophets? Ask the guy at the end of your block about Ron and Laura.
Where is the increase in publicity that Ron said would come?
I hope you are not sending them money.
All this raises this interesting question which you will ultimately have to answer,
“Could the Two Witnesses be wrong about the beginning of their ministry, the timing of Christ’s return and the many events which will precede it?”
I mean really, the Two Witnesses are going to be the bomb. Ron and Laura don’t even fizzle.
Dill Weed
angel
In answer to your last post.
I thought the Scriptures you quoted were very appropriate. No, I’m not saying it was wrong to encourage Dominic with the Scriptures.
But it was very noticeable to me that you chose to direct the Scriptures at Dominic, whose extreme mocking was coming in the direction of this blog.
Does your previous silence mean that you condone the rabid mocking of Ron Weinland, his wife and the elders of PKG coming from this blog ?
“rabid mocking of Ron Weinland, his wife and the elders of PKG coming from this blog”
Mal, when you use the word “rabid” in relation to the mocking, you need to define what you mean by the word, and cite examples and exactly why they are “rabid”.
I must admit that some of Dill Weed Jr.’s mocking has been a bit catty, which is just a little short of rabid.
Dill Weed
Helpingusoon,
“Hypocrites, you can dish it but you cant eat it.”
Beg to differ. I haven’t heard anyone complaining about being mocked, in fact, it seems pretty clear to me that no one takes it very seriously. What we’ve been saying is that it makes no sense for you and your idol, Mr. Weinland, to get so uptight about it and then turn around and do it yourselves. I would think that fits the definition of hypocrisy more accurately since no one here is making that big of a deal out of it.
I realize you don’t try to convince people to join your church – thank God for that. It’s bad enough that people volunteer. Dominic, I know you think you’re hearing truth, but you’re not. You’re not listening to God; you’re listening to Mr. Weinland, which is why I refer to him as your idol – he has replaced God in your mind, just as he intended you to.
It is Mr. Weinland’s failed prophecies that are being mocked; no one here equates him with God, so they don’t see it as mocking God, particularly as Deut. 18:20-22 proves he’s not God’s prophet.
Believe it or not, we are not your enemies. There are people here that were caught up in the lies of Armstrongism; they once were where you are now. They are giving you the opportunity of hearing the truth so that you can escape, too.
Ron has you focusing on things that are not important so that you won’t focus on the things that are. We’ve heard all these same arguments, over and over; they’re not new, and they’re not true.
Mal,
Dominic’s comments were directed at all of us who don’t believe Ron, therefore I responded directly back to him. I hope you don’t share his feelings, but if you do, then you can consider my response to be directed to you as well.
It appears you’re not going to let go of this question of whether I condone the mocking that goes on here. I’ve noticed, though, that you’re avoiding the questions I presented to you:
“You asked the question: why now? So I will ask: why not now? It seems to me your question isn’t really about the timing so much as it is about why I’m not addressing this to others that you feel are equally “guilty”, so to speak, of not displaying the characteristics expected from a believer. I guess I could turn this around and ask why you’re not doing that, either. I don’t hear you calling people “fools” or “retards”, or saying you can’t wait for bad things to happen to those who don’t agree with you, or using the mocking, maniacal sounding “hahaha’s” in your comments – why IS that? Could it be that you don’t think it’s appropriate behavior for a believer? If so, why aren’t you commenting on that?”
You said, well, he was just trying to make a point; and I responded, so is everyone else here. If you’re going to be silent and not address Dominic’s mockery, I guess I won’t address anyone else’s mockery, either.
Mal & Dominic:
Let’s get off the mockery train for a minute and focus on what’s really important.
Kirrily presented some questions that have previously been met with silence by all of Mr. Weinland’s followers. Which one of you is willing to step up and address these questions. Every single one of them is legitimate and deserve an answer.
To close your eyes to this is to willfully blind yourselves. Dominic, you’ve accused us of being blind, so of the two of you, since Mal is not yet a member of COG-PKG, you should be the one answering this.
Here is the definition of “rabid” from wiktionary when used as an adjective
1. Furious; raging; extremely violent.
2. very extreme, unreasonable, or fanatical in opinion; excessively zealous.
such as “a rabid socialist”
3. Affected with rabies.
such as “a rabid dog or fox”
4. Of or pertaining to rabies, or hydrophobia.
such as “a rabid virus”
I don’t expect that Mal was using either of definitions 3 or 4. We’ll say that he probably didn’t mean #1 as no one here has threatened violence or harm to anyone, unlike what Weinland has done.
I say that Dominic exhibited rabid mocking here in this thread. His mocking was extreme, fanatical in opinion and excessively zealous. It was unreasonable and unreasoning, simply regurgitating Weinland’s lame explanations for his failed prophecies.
On the other hand, the mocking of Weinland, the Silent Witness, and his elders is reasoned (based on fact) and restrained. It is therefore not rabid. The rabid accusations against Weinland’s mockers is getting a bit old, but still is somewhat humorous.
I just want to say that Angel’s comment is right on the money, and gets down to the nitty-gritty of all this.
Namely, that Kirrily has asked some legitimate questions that deserve an answer.
So here’s your opportunity, Dominic, to get down to it, answer the questions, and straighten it all out.
C’mon, Dominic, step up to the plate, because now’s the time. You have the attention of everyone on this blog.
Kirrily I can understand yur anger. But i find it kind of funny that you say that this is not about religion except that your mad you got disfellowshiped, or left, one of the two, and if you were part of the gods church, you only were there to save your own skin.
You say this is not about religion? Then you are the most retarded one on this website. You claim wait, this is about disproving Ron!
All i see is the 7th thunder being made more manifest. PLease tell your friends not to believe in Ron, tell them he is a false prophet, I could care less. But too turn this back at you, THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE TRUTH!
God works through Prophets only. And i did not take time to read every blog, I do seem to have the wolves howling though.
Kinda funny actually, you seek to disprove ROn and in doing so you are bringing to pass the 7th thunder.
I hope I can have my part in that as well.
Maybe you should read the other post I just left on Mike’s latest story about the ‘Truths’ and then you can apologize.
And, ur, you can’t answer my questions can you
– Didn’t think so…. LOL.
Oh yeah, another thing, have you dared to ask you Elder if you are allowed to post here? Naughty naughty!!
Dominic, you’ve just done a drive-by on this blog, you don’t know what all we’ve said and are making ASS-Umptions about the participants. There are a variety of religious views over the spectrum among the participants, the one common agreement is that Ron is handing out Flavor Aid, except of course excepted by those such as you who are drinking it. There is no competing religious view promoted here, other than my allowing some latitude for those who express there own personal opinion briefly, which is less than the amount of preaching I’ve tolerated from you.
Dominic, how are we possibly bringing about the 7th thunder (accelerated revelation of God) by our activities here on this blog? Or did you get your thunders mixed up?
And yet again, no specific responses to any of the 23 points that Kirrily raised. Not surprising, as the typical response to that type of question from a PKG member is either to ignore it or if responding to just give one of Ron’s lame explanations.
How about your being different, giving reasoned coherent responses to some of the points that Kirrily raised? If you’re able?
Mal, make no mistake, the fruit that Dominic is showing here, IS PKG fruit. I used to be EXACTLY the same as him
– so full of humility and kindness 
One minute I am blind, the next I am a retard – so which is it?
It would help if my questions could be answered … which they can’t
none of you will understand this timeline. but everything is set in stone now. there will be no more changes in the timing of the return of Christ.
I dont see specific dates entered in his books any where, nor does he say, or has he ever said that A president would not take office, he presumed he wouldnt, and like a man, not a God, he presumed wrong. But the way the world is going today, you never know. He only speaks of the U.S.A collapsing in the fall, and he spoke of the “Power of a Dragon” given too the pope in april. He has admitted he wa wrong in the timing because God did not reveal to him that Christ is returning on Pentecost of 2012, may 27th.
He has admitted that everything has changed in the signs of times. You know the Times, time, and half a time being 980 days, not 1260.
So maybe you should do some math and back track from that date. After the “abomination of desolation” 1260 days later, The protection God gave his church after the “Olivet Prophecy” was revealed. that “Not one stone(person in Gods church) would be left on another after Joseph Tkach tried to change Gods laws. That poor man said on Dec 17, 1994 that Gods law is null and void. well 40 sabbaths to the very hour, (remember 40 is a punishment# from God) he died. A sign from God too his people who the son of perdition really is. 40×7=280days. A time, and a sign. So what is time, times, and half a time? 980 days. Not 1260 days. the 980 is part of the 1260 but great tribulation has now been turned to a time of great mercy. God is keeping the collapse of this country from happening for his unknown and great reasoning. I am glad that nothing has happened yet. You people look to disprove Ron.
But you prove him right more and more everyday. You just dont know how you are doing that.
You think that mocking and making fun of him, and telling the Church not too drink the kool aid is ammusing.
You look down your noses at Gods prophets and in doing so sneer at the ways of God.
I have a serious question for everyone. Why do you care? Why do you care what Ron has too say? Why does someone dedicate themselves to try to disprove another? Do you people honestly have fun doing this? You like too team up and demean and make fun of “A man”. That is all he is, he is a little shorter than I expected but I dont care. He speaks in Gods name, and our sabbath sermons are mainly about people in the church of god-pkg, its not about Ron, well he is included. But its about a relationship that we as a people have with our God. This is Gods church and the people in the Church are held to a higher standard, because they are Gods begotten children. We are human, and we dont think were better than anyone else. Dont ask me why I joined the Church because you wont get a clear answer. I dont even know why God called me. I see my faults and I was just as childish as anyone else on tis website when I posted my own Rants and raves. I did so to invoke a response and boy did I ever get one. I can tell you honestly that I havent laughed that hard in awhile.
Here Kirrirly is the new time lineGod’s Timing for the End-Time
The following timelines are those revealed by God over a span of several years beginning with the revelation of God’s judgment upon the “man of sin” (the son of perdition of 2 Thes. 2) who betrayed Jesus Christ by seeking to lead the Church away from the truths and laws of God. A sermon given by Joseph Tkach in Atlanta on Dec. 17, 1994 fufilled this prophecy concerning this apostasy that led an overwhelming majority of the Church away from the truths of God.
Dec. 17, 1994 (toward the end of this Sabbath day) 280 Days (7 x 40)
Sept. 23, 1995 – toward the end of this day the “man of sin” died exactly 280 days after he gave the “apostasy” sermon.
This was the beginning of God’s revelation of His “time” for judgment that was to be used in the end-time concerning judgment He would execute upon the “man of sin,” upon Satan, and upon mankind in order to establish His Son as King of kings when the Kingdom of God is established on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ.
Dec. 17, 1994 – The First Seal of the Book of Revelation opened.
During this period, Satan cast out a “flood” upon the Church, seeking to destroy it (Rev. 12:15).
280 Days (7 x 40)
A “time, times, & half a time” (980 days) of God’s protection upon the Church in order to reestablish it (Rev. 12:14).
The Church reestablished on Pentecost
Sept. 24, 1995 (280 days + 560 days + 140 days) to May 30, 1998
Beginning on Pentecost of 1998, the Church of God was once again reestablished in the period of the Laodicean Era in one organized body.
The revelation of the 280 days of God’s judgment upon the “man of sin” led to the understanding of the “50th Truth.”
Dec. 25, 2007 – God revealed His judgment for the timing of the end of Satan’s rule by revealing and announcing the day of Christ’s return in Trumpets of 2008.
280 Days (7 x 40) (This count leads up to the Feast of Trumpets, but does not include it.)
Sept. 30, 2008 – Trumpets & the sealing of the 144,000
The understanding of God’s judgment upon Satan, revealed in Trumpets of 2008, is the revelation of the 1335 days of Daniel 12 that leads to the very day of the return of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of the 144,000 which is at the very beginning of Pentecost of 2012 (May 27).
Sept. 30, 2008 – Trumpets & the sealing of the 144,000
Nov. 14, 2008 – Seventh Seal opened (followed by 30 prophetic minutes of silence – Rev. 8:1), with 1290 days to Pentecost 2012.
Dec. 14, 2008 – Two witnesses begin & 1st Trumpet blown (with 1260 days to Pentecost 2012).
1335 Days to the return of Jesus Christ at the moment of the beginning of Pentecost of 2012.
to Pentecost – May 27, 2012
Dec. 14, 2008 – God reveals the definition of a “time” being 280 days. (This is His “time” in the execution of His judgment.)
280 Days (7 x 40)
Sept. 19, 2009 (This count includes the day of the Feast of Trumpets.)
A “time, times, & half a time” (980 days) for God’s execution of His judgment upon mankind (Dan.12:7).
Sept. 20, 2009 “Time” (280 days) + “Times” (560 days) + “Half-a-Time” (140 days) t o Pentecost – May 27, 2012
Oh Mike.
This is about God. This is about truth. God hates all the religions he sees that claim they know truth or him.
But this world is wrong in everything it believes. You people team up to disprove Ron and in doing so, God will be made known in your minds that day this country collapses. If not then, How about when Germany and the U.S.E come too save us?
I am not like you people. I dont need to defend Ron. And i am not trying to disprove him
I just wanted to ruffle the feathers of a bunch of Vultures.
Thanks
I look forward too staying in touch.
I did not know that I needed to ask anyone to think for me?
Including my local elder. Tee-Hee. Guess this proves I am just as ignorant as you people.
But at least I can see it.
Oh, and because I know the kind of person I am.
I dont belong in Gods church. Even I can see that, I am only there because God has kept me there.
I am probably the worst person in the church. If you couldnt tell.
I am just too mean and too naughty too be in Gods church.
You keep telling me to answer your questions? What were those again? I didnt get a response to my Questions?
It just doesnt seem fair! Oh, the humanity!
Peace.
You are completely mad, in both senses of the word.
I’ll make my own prediction, you will kill yourself when all this fails, or go on a shooting rampage – you are that far gone it’s not funny. Everyone else here feels sorry for you – but I don’t.
This I can assure you – if your elders saw what you had written on this blog, they would wonder if you were really called at all.
You are not worth speaking to – and I for one will be ignoring your posts from this point on.
You can’t answer my questions, full stop.
Exactly does mean exactly, and revisions in timelines were never meant to be part of this – that’s why Ron said he would STOP PREACHING by June 2008 if NOTHING HAPPENED. His IS AN INSANE LYING FALSE PROPHET, and you sir, are a lunatic.
Good luck with all that, and I too, have had a great laugh at your expense
Dominic, you haven’t ruffled any feathers, except those when we guffawed at your hilarious post. As far as the “vultures” part of it, the only one feeding on others is Ron himself, to get Laura’s rings and the gold, silver, and jewelry stashed away in a safe deposit box and the Euros stashed in Ron’s Swiss bank account which he’s claimed to close now that the IRS is running a criminal investigation of him.
But yes, you are letting others do your thinking for you. At least one other person, as you’ve basically regurgitated whatever came out of Ron’s mouth without proof. I guess Don hasn’t yet found out about your participation here.
Thanks for reposting the timeline, we’re all well aware of the dates of his multiple changes. And yes, he really is on his third timeline, since he compressed the definition of “time” from 360 days down to 280 days.
So answer this point of Kirrily’s:
Point 8: Page 16, Para 2: “The other witness will be revealed to the world during the time of the great tribulation – WITHIN the final three and one-half years of man’s era.”
Q: 2nd witness revealed during false first time line, and alluded to way before that – remember Dominic, Ron said events in the book were to happen EXACTLY as stated…..
2008 GFW is wrong on two counts:
– Laura was revealed to the world on April 17, 2008 which according to the timeline you give is before the 3 1/2 year period beginning on Dec 17, 2008, so it wasn’t _during_ the final 3 1/2 years of man’s era.
– the great tribulation is not 3 1/2 years. It’s not even 3 1/2 of the shortened 280-day “time”.
Helpingusoon has nailed Ron’s timeline to the church door. He’s as tied to it as Ron.
When Ron abandons his timeline, he better have a plunger because it’s not going to be an easy one to flush.
The wheels are coming off soon.
Dill Weed
Oh, Ron’s given his latest timeline some legs in the mind of his deluded followers, compressing the great tribulation down to the end. Should be able to keep it going well into 2011.
But he’s got to squeeze in a year, a month, a day, and an hour for preparation of the Asiatic hordes, and 5 months of captivity by the beast power prior to Pentecost of 2012.
I imagine he’ll find a way to spiritualize it if he hasn’t moved everyone to the fourth timeline by then.
helpingusoon,
Many of the verses you shared are all about those who refuse to listen to God’s prophets; since we have irrefutable proof that Mr. Weinland is not God’s prophet, a fact that even Mal will concede in a few months, then in reality those verses are not directed at anyone who refuses to believe the excuses of a prophet whose prophecies have failed. We don’t have to be afraid of such a man, nor of the doom and gloom statements of those who follow such a man.
Mike is right, you haven’t ruffled any feathers, although you seem to have exhausted Kirrily’s patience. Not surprising, considering how well she knows that PKG people blindly follow Mr. Weinland and believe everything he says as coming from God no matter how much evidence to the contrary. She understands the anger that comes from having to defend why they continue to listen to someone whose prophecies failed, pay tithes they may not easily afford so their prophet can travel around the world, pay for and store up food that eventually spoils. She knows very well what it takes to hold on to your faith in Ron, his books and his timelines.
Thank you for asking the classic question that I’ve heard Ron ask in his sermons: why do we care? Why do we care what Ron has to say, and why try to disprove him? I can only speak for myself, but I care about people getting caught up in false beliefs; about how it affects their lives and their faith in God (not the god of Ron’s imagination). Ron has already disproven himself; all we’re doing is following his movement to see how far he’s going to take this, and making ourselves available to discuss it with anyone who’s capable of reasonable discussion.
Yes, there’s a variety of beliefs here, but it’s not about that; it’s about the common ground we share in not wanting to see people deceived and defrauded by a false prophet. Mal isn’t paying tithes, nor has he committed to the extent that you have so he’s not exhibiting the anger so many followers do, but he’s a reasonable person, for the most part, and I believe he’ll walk away from Ron soon.
I am one of the believers here, and though it doesn’t make me jump for joy to hear the accusations you’ve made, it doesn’t really bother me either because I consider the source: having heard it all before, it’s clearly coming from Mr. Weinland and you’re simply parroting what you’ve heard. So I can forgive you and hope you come to your senses soon.
There is hope for you yet, Dominic. I remember when I first got brainwashed by Armstrong’s cult and I felt just like you do – even to the point of telling my blood sister that she was of the devil when she tried to talk some sense into me. It is many years later and I have come to see it for what it really was, and all the brainwashing that occurred. Now I know how my sister felt when she tried to help me to understand and I was too stubborn and blind to listen to her. Like you, I just parroted what I was told. When I was challenged, I called the minister so he could tell me what to tell them, and convinced me the scriptures said what it didn’t say. Armstrong kept saying that in 1972 we would flee to the place of safety and in 1975 Christ was going to return. When it didn’t happen it was just glossed over like it wasn’t even said, just like your idol, Weinland, is doing.
Whether you are willing to see it or not doesn’t change the fact the Ron Weinland is a INSANE LYING FALSE PROPHET (he said he would be insane if he continued after things didn’t happen by Pentecost of 2008. He said he would stop preaching if things didn’t happen by Pentecost of 2008. That makes him a liar. And because things didn’t happen exactly as he said they would, that makes him a false prophet). But you refuse to address this, you refuse to believe this, now – but you wait. You will.
Oh Kirrily, you were once a sister(i still love you and hope you repent and i look forward too introducing myself too you one day), and some where in your life you held onto your own perverted ideas(like lucifer), you still have Gods spirit inside of you if you were baptized and had the laying on of hands. But I personally have never met anyone so against Ron. The human mind is a fascinating thing. I am sure you will read this and mock, and laugh inside that you believe me so misled. Your a loser, you turned your back on “The Eternal.” You were scared, your a coward, and you have no heart for the ways of the lord. You seek to disprove Ron. I dont care, I told you I could care less what you have too say. Your perverted in your mind and you worship yourself and your own ideas. DOES ANYONE HERE REMEMBER THAT REVELATION SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE TWO PROPHETS OF GOD, AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A TESTIMONY OF 1260 DAYS. I mean if you bible thumpers and liars could shut up and read, you would see that this world is in the last days. You seek to disprove Ron, and you had a jolly good time doing it on this B/S Website. But when someone like kirrily commits an atrocious act like actually turning from “The Plain Truth” its a different matter. You people are so happy that you think you turned someone from an evil man.
But my questions still go unanswered bye the people who keep asking their own in turn?
Can any so called “Christian” answer the questions I have? If they can I will follow them blindly because they have knowledge that Christmas is of God, That Easter is also from God(and not the verse when they mistranslated it from greek. You know in Acts where it mentions Easter? But is mistranslated from the greek for “Passover”.) I will gladly listen to any person hear who can answer my questions? I asked first, I would gladly have answered kirriyyly’s questions if she had them. I guess she did, I barely skimmed through her posts. But its clear that she was part of the church, but somewhere she could not accept the truth that God revealed. She knows when Ron said that their was a 50th truth. That Christ would return on Pentecost. Not trumpets. Come on Kirrily. You actually were my sister once, and now you hate a change you could not accept.
I am happy you stopped spewing the “venom” at Ron for a few secs and focused on me. That was the intention. Furthermore I am glad that the truths of god irritate you so. I hope you people keep laughing and making fun of Ron.
As I said I will be sure to participate in expressing my “BLIND”opinion.
and the b/s lecture that atrocius said, the one about you people actually caring about people misled bye false prophets? wow, that garbage stinks from here atrocius. You really believe that you are a good person when Christ said that their is none good but God? Wow, spare me.
Okay people you are so focused on what hasnt come to pass (2nd trumpet, being nukes in our port cities, and WW3 which from your vantage point, should have happened already.) What about the prophecies that have come to pass? Remember he completed the book in 2006. many of his prophecies were given before that time. You know the prophesied end time before the big scary red book? Which none of you could probably finish reading. and if you did. Great! So you should remember the 4th and 5th thunder, you know the ones that keep making themselves made manifest every day? And since we have experts on 08′ Gods Final Witness. You people should know that. Enlighten me as to how you can explain the fall of our economy? precisely when Ron predicted. How about the 2nd phase of death? The phase upon which a lot of us can notice? The death upon notable people in this world. Starts small,(Heath Ledger, Gordon B hinkley at the beginning of 2008. then the rollercoaster of death for all the well known actors.
January 2008 Celebrity Death
1 Irena Górska-Damiecka 97 Actress
2 Brice Mack 90 Background Artist Fantasia • Peter Pan
5 Edward Klosinski 65 Cinematographer The Promised Land
10 Maila Nurmi 85 Actress Plan 9 from Outer Space
11 Murray Cohl 78 Producer
15 Brad Renfro 25 Actor The Client • Sleepers • Bully • Ghost World*
17 Allan Melvin 84 Actor
18 Ugo Pirro 87 Screenwriter Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion • The Garden of the Finzi-Continis
19 Suzanne Pleshette 70 Actress The Birds • The Bob Newhart Show*
20 Kevin Stoney 86 Actor
22 Roberto Gari 88 Actor
22 Heath Ledger 28 Actor Brokeback Mountain • The Dark Knight*
[[ This comment is too long. I redacted a long list of other celebrity deaths, one to two dozen deaths per month through November of 2008. Dominic, the way to do this is to provide a link to the site which has the statistics. Open up the site in another browser tab or window, cut the URL out of the URL line and post it into your comment. If you need help, contact me via email] I will debate your point separately. Mike DDTFA]
Yup, oh and forget about the polish president many of his chiefs dying just 5 days ago. Throw that undr the rug.
So I guess that this prophecy was true.
What about the 3rd phase? Epidemics and pandemics?
The number of swine flu deaths worldwide passed the 10,000 mark about eight months after the pandemic strain was uncovered in April, reaching 10,582. Forget abouth this one. A brand new virus? A combination of Avian, swine, and human influenza? Hmmm.
Nope he couldnt have been right about that. Where he states “This and much more are coming upon the world scene. then he expounds upon countries preparing to combat Avian flu, and we all know that swine flu is a mutation of avian flu. Nope, guess Ron was wrong about the whole pandemics and epidemics.
* 2008: dengue fever – Cambodia[15]
* 2008: hand, foot and mouth disease – China
* 2008: dengue fever – Philippines[16]
* 2008: cholera – Vietnam[17]
* 2009: hepatitis B – India (2009 Gujarat hepatitis outbreak)
* 2009: Swine Flu – India
# 2008: plague – Madagascar[33]
# 2008: cholera – Chad[34]
# 2008 – 2009: Zimbabwean cholera outbreak
# 2009: West African meningitis outbreak[35]
# 2009: dengue fever – Queensland[41]
# 2009:swine flu-Melbourne # 2008: dengue fever – Brazil
# 2009: Bolivian dengue fever epidemic # 2009: mumps – Ireland (Mumps outbreaks in the 2000s)
# 2009 – present: swine influenza Britain
Now The Economy Prophecy
Where would we be without such geniuses like our corporate CEOs, government “officials” to inform us of what’s been perfectly blatantly obvious to all but the most idiotic of politicians, corporate CEOs and other nay sayers like the IMF for over 6 months already. Some even saw this coming long before that.
We live in a world where those in political & economic power have their own fantasy realm of self dillusions, and we’re expected to take them at their word that everything’s in hand and it’s all going to be better, like an infant who’s just burned him or herself on the fireplace glass after checking out their reflection on it, and a little kiss from mommy is all that’s needed to make it better.
Maybe we should have a repeat of history, say, the french revolution and, although we can’t just publicly use the guillotine to rid ourselves of them, come election time, it’s past time to put plenty of these people out to pasture. and I don’t just mean switch from one old cow to the other (RE: Liberals or Conservatives), we need new blood in ottawa, new ideas, new approaches.
Bob Prechter’s “Conquer The Crash”: Eight Chapters For Free
When EWI President Robert Prechter sat down to write the first edition of “Conquer The Crash” in 2002, the idea that the United States would enter a period of what news authorities coined “economic Armageddon” several years later was unheard of.
Flashing back, the major blue-chip averages were rebounding off a historic bottom, the notorious dot.com bust was making way for a powerful housing boom, Fannie Mae’s chief executive was named “the most confident CEO in America,” then President George Bush was enjoying a 60%-plus approval rating, Gulf War II hadn’t begun yet, and when it did, a “quick and easy victory” was supposed to follow, and the Federal Reserve was largely credited with slaying the big, bad bear via the sharp blade of monetary policy. Five years later, the tables turned. The U.S. housing market endured its worst downturn since the Great Depression; Fannie Mae’s CEO was ousted amidst a mortgage crisis of incalculable damage. George W. Bush left the oval office with a record low approval rating of 25%, and the expected “cakewalk” victory in Iraq became a “quagmire” and national dilemma. And you people still believe that we will get out of this?
oh and our economy is kept afloat because we can print money. we are setting ourselves up for a bigger fall. and yes the economy tanked in the fall of 2008.
Demonic out.
Peace
A few things that may be interesting;
1: Dominic “may” not be his real name because i was looking on google for the feminine (i got the day off and was bored lol) version of dominic and it actually took me instead to the definition of what “Dominic” means and it says Dominic is of the french and latin meaning “of the lord”…SO therefore this “may” not be his real name but instead a name “he has given himself” to suit his position in this particular blog. Plus due to the fact that PKG lacks any testosterone worthy of even being related to anything truly “Christian”, it is pretty much guaranteed from my standpoint, that he is also thus too fearful to tell us his real name and even more to the point, expose himself to Ron and thus qualify him to a possible expulsion from PKG or atleast a “stern warning” from Ron “before” expulsion. So with the 3 points: PKG=no testosterone, 2: Dominic= “of the lord” and 3: that if dominic is his real name, Ron would finger him (and thus makes no sense-unless he isnt that bright), (and various other things i have noticed through his postings, i believe there is a bare minimum of 95% chance he is NOT Dominic.
Just thought the etymological finding on google was very interesting and so i am postin it here for all who may be interested.
2: Dominic, (if thats your name), you seem to keep forgetting that while you are so keen to follow Ron, you are infact (by your presence here in engaging us in debate or even just observing) going completely against ron and therefore God (from your perspective).
3: Since dominic/que seems to love delving into the greek and origins of words, he may like the above about his name but also i wonder if he knows that Church is not christian but infact named after a Goddess Circe, Jesus= Hail Zeuz (anythin with “sus” in greek is a tribute to their God Zeus not to mention the fact that there was no letter “J” back then but is in fact only about 500 years old and the letter “w” is only about 700 years old (for extra reference)…..and i wonder if you use the days of the week?…they are all named after other Gods (norse etc) There are lots more i could mention. Ron baptises in the name of “Zeus” not Jesus or his “real name” as it should be called which is Yahusha (some say Yahushua or yeshua)..so more proof Ron is not as knowledgeable as he pretends to be just like Charles Taze russel who claimed he knew all the old greek and hebrew and then later admitted he lied (though i doubt ron would admit it). More to the point, the word “Christian” is nothing to do with Christ as “Christians were infact known before christ was ever said to have come to earth and yes “Christians” who were around “before” christ were infact worshippers of a very different God called “Serapis”
So in other words Dom, the points you have raised on this blog regarding pagan origins of customs etc, is completely invalid and hypocritical and should to be fair not mentioned because as i have mentioned above, it it clear you are still guilty of that which you accuse others of.
Hi Dominic
The timeline you quoted is one reason I have maintained interest in Ron Weinland.
What I find particularly interesting is that the numbers have fallen into place AFTER he was ‘told’ to specifically to call his book ’2008′. For me, this makes it MORE not less likely that he could possibly be genuine. It would have been far easier for him to present the specific year 2008, if he already had numerical fits with God’s festivals to back him up.
The numbers are unique to 2008. This is because God’s festivals move around on the calendar from year to year. The array of dates linked with God’s festivals he has come up with do not occur again at least to the end of this century (I ran out of time to check further).
The number 280 occurs repeatedly in his dates which he has tied in with Scripture and God’s festivals. The number 1335 from Daniel 12 fits exactly between Trumpets 2008 and Pentecost 2012. This one fact alone carries a probability of 18:1 against of occurring by chance.
People can argue that there are other festivals which could have provided a tieup. But it also has to make sense. So does it make sense ? I believe it does make sense that Trumpets would be the announcement of the countdown to Christ’s return and not his actual return, as had been previously thought. Pentecost also makes sense because it is linked with firstfruits containing leaven (the 144,000 firstfruits coming with Christ).
He has also put together a cohesive story about the history of God’s church and how it fits with Scripture. Included in this is that Joseph Tkach was the ‘man of sin’ of 2Thess2 v3,4 who decimated the Church of God in 1994, splintering it into hundreds of pieces. It is a fact that Joseph Tkach died exactly 40 Sabbaths (40×7=280 days) later. 40 is God’s number for judgement.
These points are enough to keep me interested a few months more. As the folk here rightly say, specific events that he has predicted have not yet occurred. I have no real answer to give about that. It does ring alarm bells. Can God change judgemental events or the timing of those events ? It is not without precedent in Scripture. Certainly, signs that we are near the ‘end of the age’ are all around us.
As I said before, be cautious. The people here have a lot of experience behind them.
Mal said: “Can God change judgemental events or the timing of those events ? It is not without precedent in Scripture”
Mal, there is only “one” time in the bible that i know of (and i have read it 3 times) where God postpones a destruction/prophecy and that is concerning Nineveh…i am sure you are familiar so i won’t go into any details but put this “one” time into perspective against “all” the others wrote in the bible that were “not” postponed or stopped etc and that gives you a statistical certainty of 99.5 % (probably higher but this is a rough guess-certainly no less) that God would NOT do this again like with ron, (and infact never did do it again) and that infact if you believe in the bible like you appear to, then you should know thus that Ron is going big time against the odds and Gods “pattern” and thus like i said (from your bible believing perspective) its a bare minimum of 99.5% compared to everythin else that was wrote in the bible that DID come to pass. I hope i am explaining this right lol. So thus from this “alone”, ron has less that 0.5% chance he is a true prophet of God and even less if you take into consideration all the other scriptures people on here have pointed out.
You are right Mal, it made perfect sense to me too. That is why I stayed with Ron into the second timeline. When it shifted to the second timline though, Ron said NOTHING would change of the predictions he had already stated (ie. process of destruction of first trumpet to occur over 45-90 days) – but then when the 90 days were up, that changed too – the last reason as to why I left, heartbroken.
Again, Ron first of all said that GOD gave the timing. He went to great length saying to us that it could NOT be figured out (as he had tried and “loved working with numbers”.
But when the first timeline failed, he then changed his story and said he indeed worked out the dates based on 2008. So there was a major contradiction for me. So which was it? Did he work it out or did god give it? Just one of the many contradictions.
I realised a long time ago that there was no actual timing laid out in the book (yet timing was to validate the book), so we went with the timing he noted in many, many sermons and interviews.
Again, the second timeline was worked out way before ron announced it by another COG, and Mike, which is why Ron didn’t make us wait unti feast 2008.
After going to great lenghts before saying no one could work out the timing, that god had to give it, when the others came up with the second timline he suddenly said “it wasn’t rocket science”.
One of the worst parts for me in the failure of the first
timeline was his anger at us, his followers. He said we should take a good hard long look at ourselves as we would be feeling foolish after telling all our loved ones (and handing out the PKG business cards they gave us to hand out to as many as possible). He wanted us to focus on OUR shortcomings so we would not focus on his failed prophecy.
Don’t forget, I too had lunch with weinland as his wench, was baptized by him, and met with Wayne Matthews on numerous occasions, and emailed Wayne constantly. I had intimate contact with this ministry, and was trusted enough that I was the only member to recieve the timeline document (which kept changing after first failure).
I found it extraordinary that first timeline Ron would say it was for the WORLD, it was NOW that god was revealing himself – that changed to spiritual and for the church (latest to push buttons of mockers).
The timing might make sense, the truths may also make sense – but is Ron GODS FINAL WITNESS. I was there, I saw. I waited – twice. I loved the truths. I loved my brothers and sisters. I couldn’t wait for Christs return. I was so grateful to find PKG after Garners church where I first learned the ‘truths’.
Rons not the only cog with all the truths and timings. But he is the only one to claim to be the witness, then made countless prophecies that have PROVEN to have failed, and changed the actual meaning and purpose of his two books.
Is this gods way of revealing himself? Through confusion?
The one time that God canceled a prophecy was described in Jonah 3. In that case the people of Nineveh repented of their wicked ways. Nothing like that has happened recently, “modern day Israel” is doing the same things it always has.
Steve
As I said, it is not without precedent.
It is open to interpretation, but Scripture says that God will ‘shorten’ the devastation of the end time events.
Dominic, the list of dead actors and celebrities I trimmed doesn’t prove anything. There are lots of celebrities, and they die all the time. Cite a reliable source which provides reliable statistics to show that there has been a marked increase in their death rate.
Bad stuff as per the thunders have happened in the past, is happening now, and will always happen. Ron’s prophecy was that they would increase in magnitude and frequency. Cite a reliable source which proves that has happened.
Former COG and/or PKG members, can you verify Dominic’s factoids that Joseph Tkach did indeed give his famous sermon on December 17th 1995 and then died on September 23rd 1996?
I was wondering about the 280 (7×40) days. The dates given by Dominic for Tkach’s sermon I can see above and the date of Tkach’s death is given as September 23rd on every site I saw.
This only amounts to 273 days by my math, not 280. Did the COG spliters simply add time to the 273 days recorded to make 280 for symbolic reasons?
Do vocal PKG’ers often turn about, after giving mathmatical 280 models that possibly did not indeed include 280 days, and give very detailed numbers of people who died and earthquakes that happened but forget to compare those numbers against the years and decades that preceeded the time they are concerned with. I find many many good dates and numbers in Dominic’s and Aarons threads but do not see comparison against former years and decades. Without that comparison then it makes it rather difficult, without further research, to see that they are right or wrong. Both say many a famous person has died and many a earthquake has occured and ergo Ron’s prophecies must be true… but don’t compare to the previous decade or so to give the reader a good basis of seeing the change in numbers that they say occured.
When I research back I find a normally small difference in numbers of famouse people dieing in the deaced preceding vs. the decade they are writing about and so there is no increase. The same holds true for earthquakes and weather storms, the 2001 through 2009 decade is not remarkably different than the 1991-1999 decade for earthquakes and storms.
This tends to put a un-intelectual mark on thier works, like they wanted to prove thier facts with their same facts instead of comparing it to a previous decade so the reader can distinguish the truth in thier written words.
Is this a typical pattern for PKG, cultish behavior or only for those who feel they need to prove themselves and Ron’s statements by, well by manipulating the data so it fits the speakers words instead of the other way around?
Thanks.
Dominic is correct on that point. Tkach spoke in Atlanta on Dec 17, 1994 and Sept 23, 1995 was 280 days later according to my Excel spreadsheet — Excel comes in handy for date calculations, so I expect that Ron uses it a LOT.
The 280-day period mention doesn’t prove anything, it certainly doesn’t prove that Weinland is a true prophet of God.
You did hit the nail on the head, that Dominic, Aaron, and the other Weinland apologists mention anecdotes but don’t give hard statistics as I have done in the post which follows this one.
helpingusoon says:
April 15, 2010 at 02:14
” I would gladly have answered kirriyyly’s questions if she had them. I guess she did, I barely skimmed through her posts.”
Dominic, you have made a lot of statements, and done a lot of talking, without even acknowledging (much less answering) the CONTENT of Kirrily’s questions,
according to your own words.
And this is important, because they are questions that would enter the mind of ANY rational thinking person, once it was seen that Ron Weinland’s statements about what was going to happen (EXACTLY as he said) DID NOT MATERIALIZE.
Dominic, you have “answered a matter before you have heard it”, which is to your “shame and folly”.
And until you at least make an attempt to answer Kirrily’s questions, nobody can really take you seriously.
And if you say that you don’t care what people think about this, you’re on the wrong side of things, because you should be ready to give an answer.
As mentioned already, you have an opportunity to give yourself some credibility, and to do a service to the one (RW) you claim to be true, so why not take it?
Check out the questions in her post of April 14, 2010 at 05:01 , on this same page.
You need some serious brain-yoga to be able to twist your logic far enough to make that fit the actual prophesies. As far as I am aware Ron never predicted that the economy would fall – he simply amended a prophesy he made and later claimed he was talking about the economy all along. I can do the same thing by threatening you that because of my super-powers, you will soon become ill. It will not be serious – this time. It is just a warning shot. When the headache / bowel trouble / minor viral illness occurs, I will jump on it like a kitten on a feather and claim that it was my doing. Obviously that is a giant load of horsemanure.
The case remains – the prophesies were not fulfilled. Nor will they be. In his tremendous arrogance, Ron will say anything to cover that fact up. He even has the nerve to call god a liar by stating that the prophesies were not happening to bring about more humbleness.
I do care about people being misled. This cult takes peoples money and tries to turn them into followers. They believe their cult to be more important that their own members. They disrupt peoples lives and relationships. This is all classic cult stuff, as you would realize if you could take an objective look at it for a little while. It is dangerous and morally wrong to participate in such a cult, as it teaches that it is more important to serve the cult than to fulfill your normal, human obligations to yourself, your family, and your fellow men. By doing this, it robs people of their basic human dignity. I happen to care a lot about that.
Steve,
You make a good point about Nineveh being a “one-time” event rather than a precedent. Some differences between Jonah and Ron are, for one, Jonah seems to have suspected God would relent if Nineveh repented; this is why he didn’t want to deliver God’s message – Ron, on the other hand, was thoroughly convinced the events he predicted would happen – physically, not spiritually – and only tried to jump on the Jonah train after his prophecies utterly failed. Another difference is that the whole nation of Nineveh repented, which of course was not the case with Ron – there was no world-wide, or even church-wide repentance – he actually lost members over this.
I was reminded of the time God brought judgment against Sodom & Gomorrah; Abraham asked if God would relent if he could find 10 righteous men. God said yes, if 10 could be found, he would relent. This was an agreement that was made BEFORE His representatives entered the city, and as we know – 10 righteous men could not be found. So we know that once God has determined on a course of action; it takes a lot to deter Him from it. He was being merciful by agreeing to relent for the sake of 10 people.
Ron made no such request or agreement with God before the date his predictions were to happen. In a panic, he called for a church-wide fast, asking for mercy; and then claiming that God granted it and that’s why God held off. I’m sorry, but that’s lame, and there’s no precedent for a prophet trying to get God to back off AFTER a prophecy has failed.
Forgive me for using this forum for this observation/question that has been making me crazy for some time: I was always led to believe that the 2 witnesses identities were not to be made known until the very end of the 3 1/2 years, before the war of Armageddon. And then, they wouldn’t just get up one day and decide to announce that THEY were the 2 witnesses. I was under the impression that they would be devinely appointed at the 12th hour. I didn’t think RW and wife would be going out on public appearance tours, having tea and crumpets with the Queen. I thought their message would be furious and urgent, stuff of Urgent Breaking News! Sheesh, all boogedy boo! Maybe if you want to preach the Bible, maybe you should READ the Bible and not let some yahoo confound you with dates and numbers. (this HAS been a great thread though, I am riveted!)
whatmeworry,
I’m with you, that’s the impression I get when reading the scriptures as well. The description of the Two Witnesses reminded me a little of John the Baptist; John did not have nice clothes or a coddled life with tithe-funded food and travel – his ministry was brief and ended violently.
What other pastor feels the need to travel so much, to meet personally with small groups that are widespread, and burden them with the expenses to do this? The Two Witnesses are preaching in Jerusalem; there’s no indication they went anywhere else. With the technology we have today, every nation in the world would be able to see and hear them without them having to go anywhere. They would be out in the open where anyone could physically assault them, not hiding their whereabouts from all but a few selected, trusted people.
If Mr. & Mrs. Weinland were to stand on a street corner in Jerusalem, I suspect people would just ignore and walk around them, like people usually do when they see a fanatic. To make the sacrifice in giving their time, giving up their comforts, to endure the “in your face” hatred (not the ‘thru the internet’ kind) to do what the Two Witnesses are said to do – would require a tremendous amount of love, for God and man, which I don’t see in them.
Mr. & Mr. Weinland are about as unlike the Two Witnesses as they could possibly be.
In the “Left Behind” series of books (if you want a comparison) it goes into the two witnesses pretty thoroughly as per the understanding of the authors. It is nothing like the Weinlands are doing now.
Okay Mike so imagine this. And to the guy who said i am interested in greek and hebrew. This is what my name means in greek,
being a member of Gods church and understanding the consequences of my own actions. I do not speak for Ron, and I do not speak for God. As I have stated, I feel I dont belong in Gods church, but I was baptized, I am only a stupid 23 yr old kid. My middle name is “lord”, and if you hate the meaning of my middle name you will hate the meaning of my first name. So hear is my full name and you can figure it out because I am not afraid of you people.(Yahweh Remembers, Renowned of the Lord, the Lord of the Rose.) So who can tell me my full name? I gave it to you, and yes it is my real name. I thought it was ironic.
As far as I am concerned, Mal is the only person next to myself whom God is working with. He may not know that, but I can see where God is working. And he appears to be calling, or dragging Mal too him. As you know no one can choose to be a christian. God chooses who he wants and he just happened to shoot me a line, I answered. Mal just has to pick up the phone.
Isaiah 41:4 (Whole Chapter)
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isaiah 43:1 (Whole Chapter)
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
God Called a nation to be his people, he commissioned Moses to be his Prophet and lead the ISRAELITES, (not just judah) out of egypt.
God is calling people to become “Christians”(a person does not choose to be a Christian, God commissions them) As Christ stated
2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
John 6:65 And he said, therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my father.
So is it any wonder that “Traditional” Christianity never made sense. That not a single person outside of Gods Church, or is being drawn bye God himelf can understand and see the “Truths of God”. I certainly hope that nothing happens and it all gets pushed back(nuclear war) to very end. 1 year, 1 month and a day, but dont forget the 5 months of torment from Europe. Whatever this means for the timeline. I dont know, but woe to us when they arise and destroy most of humanity.
Whats funny is it doesnt seem that anybody had anything to say about the prophecies that Ron said would happen, coming ture even today. Hows that Icelandic volcano working for international flights? Hmmmm, the China Quake?
Will you people listen when San Fransico Is leveled? Nope. Things are going too keep hapening and it will increases in intensity and power. He seems to be right on the money with the growing destructiveness fom earthquakes, weather, and volcanoes. Wow, but these things have happened all the time. No, not this way.Not this fequent. Ron is Gods prophet, and he speaks clarity and truth, he backs it up with a perfect timeline of events, and pictures it all in the holy days.
But I understand your skepticism. your only human. I was just as skeptical, but for the prophecies and thunders that continue to happen to be so clear. I couldnt tell myself that Ron was wrong. I was baptized in 2009, i encountered the book in sep 2007. That should reveal something about my own personal disbelief. As I said I dont believe Ron, I believe God. Ron has given plenty of evidence of who he is with the perfect, almost eerily exactness to gods calendar, and how Gods plan for mankind is revealed through his holy days.
OK dominic, from what you just wrote, why are you here?
If you believe we are not called and can never see, why are you here, obviously upset about what we are saying abou the insane lier false prophet RW.
and, why won’t you answer Kirrily’s questions which obviously debunks RW?
Did anyone remember that Jonah was angry with God because Nineveh was not destroyed? Jonah had to go through ridicule because Nineveh was not destroyed like he said they would. But not destoyed if they repented. Which flabbergasted Jonah. Now poor Jonah appeared wrong. What was poor Jonah gonna tell his friends and family when he got back? Nineveh repented and God did not destroy them. This country has been given more mercy, so we do not have to suffer as much. The less sufferiing, the better chance of survival.
This cog-pkg, is going to blossom into a mighty tree, and this tree will extend its branches throughout the earth, and it will produce holy fruit.
whatmeworry
To answer your question about how long the end-time two witnesses will prophesy:
The answer is 1260 days (reference Rev 11:3).
They will be killed in Jerusalem at the end of that period (reference Rev 11:7,8). There is no Scripture that says the witnesses will be in Jerusalem other than at the very end.
what was that question todd? i dont feel like scrolling up a million miles. but still no one cares to mention the prophecies that are coming true everyday?
and i have been called, and i wouldnt be agreeing with Ron if i couldnt see the things he does. Does that make sense Todd?
At least I dont believe I am righteous, and i dont jump up and down and scream amen.
i actualy love to skateboard. at least i get off my comp once in a while.
That was my understanding too Mal, 1260 days of prophecy, no more, no less. Another area weinland hasn’t fit.
Kirrily. This is for you.
This is the kind of person you are.
Your a coward. You got mad at Ron when he told you to look at yourself? If you went around telling everybody its the end, and thinking you could save them and not God, that was your fault, you should have been humble and known who would except the cards. No one! God does the calling and the saving! Not pathetic you. You have made it your own personal goal to disprove Ron, as an ex member of the church. Were you disfellowshiped? Because you did not agree with him and Laura? And you called her a wench? You seem to have quite and insight as to the happenings in the church. Was your husband an elder perchance? Do you live in england? Are you the wife of the elder who could not see himself as he was? Nah, it couldnt be you. Even they had manners and you certainly dont. you just huff and puff because I tld you i did not cae what you had too say. You were called bye God. how does it feel to walk away from truth?You just could not except the change. You like satan, hate the plan of God. So kirrily, what about all the prophecies that keep happening everyday? you know? the thunders. all 7 of them.
Maybe I was wrong, hulpinusoon. Maybe there is no hope for you. You’ve swallowed the hook, line, and sinker all the way down to the tail fins and there’s no way to pull it out. You’re caught!
So, I’ll copy/paste Todd’s questions to you here: “OK dominic, from what you just wrote, why are you here?
If you believe we are not called and can never see, why are you here, obviously upset about what we are saying abou the insane lier false prophet RW.
and, why won’t you answer Kirrily’s questions which obviously debunks RW?”
What’s your purpose here?
helpingusoon,
I don’t know if you are stupid or not; Forrest Gump said “stupid is as stupid does” – many otherwise intelligent people have acted stupid or made stupid choices. I don’t know what kind of choices you’ve made in your life, but this is not the best one you’ve ever made. You’re young, and lack of life experience can lead to bad decisions, so I hope you will at least listen to people here who are older or have already been where you are.
I appreciate you wanting to know God, but you’re not going to get to know Him thru Ron. I’m frankly amazed when I hear people say what Ron says makes more senses to them than “traditional Christianity” but, whatever… I’m not here to tell you what to believe, that’s not the subject being discussed on this blog. What I do hope you will not continue to do is blindly believe a false prophet. He has shown absolutely no evidence that he is God’s prophet; in fact he’s shown that he most definitely is NOT.
The eerily accurate things you think he’s shown you are based on HIS OWN interpretation of scripture – that’s all it is. He’s taken numbers, events, dates, and TOLD YOU they mean something that he has no way to prove they really mean. There are others out there doing the very same thing, and to date all of them have failed, so it should be no surprise when every single one of them continues to be wrong.
This is not a coincidence, there’s a reason why this system – of using numerology and biblical events to predict future events – doesn’t work!
No one here means you any harm, Dominic, and its completely up to you if you want to share your real name or not. I think people just want to be sure they’re dealing with someone who’s sincerely sharing their views (even if we don’t agree with them) and not someone who’s just here to cause trouble; I hope that’s not why you’re here.
I wouldn’t count on Mal becoming part of COG-PKG; he’s put a deadline on how many times he’ll allow Ron to change his timeline; what concerns me is that there are others out there using these same tactics to hook people who are into that kind of thing and I’m afraid Mal will be drawn to that.
So, if the TIMING is what VALIDATES the book, why have 2 timelines FAILED? (ie. April 17, 2008, then December 2008).
Q: Dominic, can you tell me when 1/3 USA was destroyed?
The 1rst trumpet: The Destructivness to the 1/3 Trees(thriving people), and green grass(cash)the economy). Then global economic upheavel.
And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire from the altar, and cast it to the earth. THEN there were voices, and THUNDERING, and lightning, and an earthquake.(more frequent) (After the first angel sonuded, then there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast on the earth, and the third part of th trees were burned up and the green grass with it was burned up.
Point 4: Page 8, 2nd Paragraph: “Only God Himself can prove what is true by bringing to pass EXACTLY what He has said. Only the next few years can prove whether or not these two books are true and of God. If nothing happens, then you can know positively that this is complete fiction.”
NEXT FEW YEARS. NOT IMMEDIATE! WHAT DONT YOU SEE? TIME WILL PROVE IT. SCRIPTURE STATES CLEARLY “FOR THE SAKE OF MY ELECT, THOSE DAYS BE SHORTENED LESS I SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.(COMPLETE DEATH). Nothing has happened because it is not Gods intention that we all suffer for 3.5 years. If nukes went off on Dec 14, 2008. We would not be alive right now. Do you not see this as a “Time of Great Mercy”. Those nukes will go off. WW3 is on our doorstep. You dont have long too wait. Your like Jonah, your mad that nineveh wasnt destroyed because thats what you wanted to make youself look righteous and holy.
My question about prophets being wrong? Wasnt Jonah a Prophet? Wasnt he wrong because he said Nineveh would be destroyed and it wasnt?.Hmmmm. Ron was wrong, but God revealed a better more acurate timing to things. What dont you see?
Q: Can you explain whether God gave it to Ron wrong, or God was wrong in the timing x 2? Was God wrong, Jesus wrong, or Ron wrong? Ron was wrong, God did not reveal it too him. God does what he wants in his time, not Rons. so Ron I had to eat crow. you couldnt swallow yours though kirilllyu.
Good point Angel – we are all sick of SO MANY ‘prophets’ crying ‘Wolf’ all the time. No wonder when the real ones do finally turn up, that most people have stopped listening. I can certainly understand why.
Remember, Ronnie wasn’t the first false prophet I’ve followed, but he sure will be the last!!!
Weekend nearly here for us!!! I’m hitting the beach tomorrow – Whoo Hoo!!! My new Sabbath practice
helpingusoon,
You should go back and re-read Jonah; it doesn’t say he had to go thru ridicule because Nineveh was not destroyed. Here’s what happened:
“Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it. But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he became angry. So he prayed to the LORD, and said, “Ah, LORD, was not this what I said when I was still in my country? Therefore I fled previously to Tarshish; for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, One who relents from doing harm. Therefore now, O LORD, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live!”
You’ve missed the whole point of that book; it wasn’t about Jonah being wrong, it was about God’s mercy. Jonah was upset, not because of ridicule, but because he knew God is One Who relents from doing harm and he had kind of a skewed sense of compassion, as demonstrated by his attitude toward the plant.
Word of advice, you’re being unnecessarily mean-spirited toward Kirrily, even for you. It’s too bad Ron doesn’t teach Matt. 5 once in while, but I guess since his attitude doesn’t show the love of God we shouldn’t be too surprised at the attitude of his listeners.
Dominic, you are so, so wrong. Kirrily is not a coward, she showed great courage in recognizing where she had gone wrong in following a false prophet just at the great tribulation was rebeginning early in 2009, and then admitting her error to herself, her husband and her friends. She has shared her recovery journey on this and other blogs over the last year or so whom she had abused with the same false pride. Since then she has done exactly opposite, showing humility in recognizing the false pride she had when following the false prophet, the same false pride that you’ve exhibited here.
“Ron was wrong, God did not reveal it too him. God does what he wants in his time, not Rons. so Ron I had to eat crow. you couldnt swallow yours though kirilllyu.”
So you admit that Ron has lied in the past, but now he’s telling the truth. Ron didn’t eat any crow, all he did was mix up a fresh batch of flavor aid to replace the batch that had turned sour. On the other hand, Kirrily has eaten a lot of crow.
Regarding the Second Thunder events you mention and your claim that we’re ignoring them, I have addressed them in the post following this one. There are a lot more pages on this blog than this one.
yeah, i know dom, it’s soooo hard to scroll up to those questions.
just admit, you have no answers for the questions.
p.s. not only does the books demonstrate rw as being a false witness, you should listen to the mike mcconnel interview where mike asks rw: “if nothing happens by (specific date) then what?”
RW’s responce: “then i’m a false prophet”
the rest is history.
Good point Todd – it really should end there shouldn’t it!! *sigh*.
Thanks for sticking up for me guys, when I told Dominic I wasn’t going to read any more of his posts, I meant it – and I haven’t.
Just as I haven’t listened to a single sermon of Ron’s after I left.
I drank enough Flavor Aid, and I don’t need to read poison and hatred directed at me – unless Dominic actually does answer my questions (which looks like won’t be happening) I will continue to ignore his hatred, pride and vile nature (which I understand, as I was the same
).
I’ve moved on, and am continuing to move forward – and thanks to Mike and this blog, and so many of you here, it’s given me a place to vent, and to share – I couldn’t have asked for better therapy, and still have a ways to go I suspect!
I speak for myself, Kirrily, and I suspect for most of the people on this blog – I’m downright proud of you! Good job! You have come a long way. I’m happy to have “met” you on this blog and I’m glad you consider this place a place to vent and share. I’ve been reading here for quite a while now and this is a good place to be. ((((hugs to you, Kirrily)))).
Aw, thank you!!! I’m feeling all warm and fuzzy now!!
Here are another 2 cases (additional to the Jonah case) where God shows mercy and CHANGES the judgement He said He would bring:
Hezekiah’s Illness (Isaiah 38):
1) In those days Hezekiah became ill and was at the point of death. The prophet Isaiah son of Amoz went to him and said, “This is what the LORD says: Put your house in order, because YOU ARE GOING TO DIE, YOU WILL NOT RECOVER.”
4) Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah: 5 “Go and tell Hezekiah, ‘This is what the LORD, the God of your father David, says: I have heard your prayer and seen your tears; I WILL ADD FIFTEEN YEARS TO YOUR LIFE.”
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Israelites in the Wilderness (Exodus 32):
9).And the Lord said to Moses, I have been watching this people, and I see that they are a stiff-necked people.
10) Now do not get in my way, for my wrath is burning against them; I WILL SEND DESTRUCTION ON THEM,
11) But Moses made prayer to God, saying, Lord, why is your wrath burning against your people whom you took out of the land of Egypt, with great power and with the strength of your hand?
14) So the Lord LET HIMSELF BE TURNED FROM HIS PURPOSE OF SENDING PUNISHMENT ON HIS PEOPLE.
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Additionally, here is the Scripture which says God will show mercy and shorten the time of tribulation (Matthew 24):
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be SHORTENED.
If you’ll read the verses 2 & 3 of Isaiah 38 that you left out, you’ll see that Hezekiah made an appeal to God. The US has made no such appeal regarding the Great Tribulation, the US by and large hasn’t even heard of the false prophet.
In Exodus 32 there was no prophet, and again a personal appeal from the leader of the Israelites.
Regarding Matthew 24, read verse 21 a few times. There is NO great tribulation. On top of which Weinland has prophesied in multiple places in his divinely inspired book that the Great Tribulation would be for 3 1/2 years. For example
# Page 64: The Seventh Trumpet sounds on the final day of the last three and one-half years of great tribulation,
# Page 79: The very last day of man’s self-rule—the last day of the three and one-half years of great tribulation—is marked by powerful events.
Regarding the timeline files that Kirrily mentioned, I blogged about them about a year ago. Wayne T Matthews worked these files up, showing that nuclear attacks were to occur between Jan 28 and Mar 14 of last year.
Mal, but what keeps getting forgotten about all this, is that Ron said this message was FOR THE WORLD.
How many ‘worldly’ people would do such intense investigating in the Bible to see prior examples? What worldly people would do all these time calculations etc??
Ron said God was revealing himself to the WORLD, through Ron, by EVENTS COMING TO PASS EXACTLY AS HE PREDICTED.
Didn’t happen.
None of it, NONE OF IT, adds up.
As someone else here said, we are in the Tribulation (apparently), well into it …. and NOTHING has happened (even on the second timeline).
Ron Weinland said the end and Christs’ return is May of 2012, right? And Ron has set himself on that, with no changes. He said it’s definite.
Since it is now May of 2010, we’re already about a year and a half into the 3 and 1/2 year tribulation, according to Ron’s date of Pentecost 2012.
Mal, when you talk of God changing his mind about punishments, and shortening days and things like that, I don’t think that can be applied to Revelation.
Because Revelation describes itself as things that are going to “come to pass”.
It also says that no one is to add or take away from the words written there. And that the words are sure and true.
In other words, no one can change what’s in Revelation without adding or taking away from it.
And a lot of what Ron has prophesied are based on the time periods of Revelation, like the 1260 days of prophesying by the Two Witnesses, and the forty and two months of the Beast Powers’ reign.
Those are things that you can’t apply changes to, like the other examples you have given.
Almost forgot:
If the end is Pentecost 2012, and the Beast Power is to rule for forty and two months, that means the Beast Power has been ruling for about 18 months now.
Where’s it at?
“i actualy love to skateboard. at least i get off my comp once in a while.”
So much for Weinland and the missus taking little Chan-boi and “his daughter” out for lunch.
One of the elders probably sicced his kid on here, just to provide a distraction/stir up trouble. If not, you’ve all just been Rickrolled….
Mal, you truly have the “One True God” working with you.(I want you too know that, the only person on this whole site that God claims as “His”, My God sends you a message, because you have not mocked, and you have not spewed venom, so shall I keep you in my heart. Our father is showing you things that only he can give too see. I dont care about anyone other then you, and yes “Kirrily”. You two are more familiar then you know. She was drawn and called bye God. She Is my sister and I hurt deeply for her, and her children if she has them. God is giving you an “AWSOME OPPURTUNITY”, you are knowledgable in his “Word”, there is something that he is doing with you. It is amazing too see your Optimism through such venom, but beware of the honey they spew from their mouths. They care not for you and want you to be part of “The herd”, and not part of “Christ Flock”. These people whose ears have waxed over and their eyes have gone blind. Especially Kirrily. Isnt she such a great story of how A person can realize for themself that They are more important then God.
Let me lay it out for you “Heathens”. My wife left me because I chose God over her. Unlike kirrily who wanted her husband and family more then God. Kirrily left “The One True God” and began to worship herself and her own ideas, but she forgot what God said, not Ron,
Passage Luke 12:49-53:
49I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
50But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
51Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
I guess Jesus Christ is a liar. Because every “christian” today has it pretty good.
53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
You people pat her on the back, and you say “Good Job” and we are here for you. Your lying through your teeth, and this blog will only go on as long as there is a power grid.)
Understand “The Stones of the Temple” that were cast down, and not one was left upon another, you know who these people are. This was the most destructive thing to happen to Gods Church. 150,000 stones! ALL CALLED AND CHOSEN BYE GOD!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! You “PROFESSING CHRISTIANS” have not answered my questions.
Mal, hang in their buddy remember where it says in Revelation about the trumpets, that after the trumpets sounded their “FOLLOWED”
Definition:To come or go after; proceed behind…………..So RK, When the 1rst trumpet sounded, Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded(12/14/08), and there “FOLLOWED”(comes after the first trumpet-IN TIME RK!)hail and fire mingled with blood,(FIRE=TRIALS, HAIL=SWIFT DESTRUCTION)(BLOOD=DEATH OF OUR ECONOMY), and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of the trees(PEOPLES JOBS,THEIR LIVELINESS) was burnt(QUICKLY) up, AND ALL GREEN GRASS WAS BURNT UP!(THE DOLLAR BEGAN TOO DIE throughout the world, and yes it is physical as well, if people couldnt tell bye our weather patterns, and record Storms, flooding, fire, many people forget about the fires in various parts of the world?).
helpingusoon says:
April 15, 2010 at 23:02
“My wife left me because I chose God over her.”
Uhmmmmm. I don’t think that’s the only reason.
Dominic, I am quite relieved that YOUR god does not claim me, after the fruits you have shown here with your rabid venomous mocking. The one person I feel really sorry for is your daughter, I hope your ex-wife got custody.
And you still don’t get it. This blog is not operated to debate the fine points of Christianity, Passover Vs Easter, Saturday Vs Sunday. This blog is about an exploiting false prophet who has trapped people in his web of deceit and lies. If you want to follow Armstrongism, there are dozens of other groups that go for all that “truth” without the false prophecy.
So don’t criticize the “professing Christians” whoever they are for not answering your questions. After all, you didn’t answer the on-topic questions about the validity of your spiritual idol, the Son of Perdition Ronald Weinland.
Good for your wife. She was smart. I’m glad she didn’t drink the flavor-aid like you have.
Fire = Trials? Hail = Swift Destruction?
There are Greek words for “Trials” and “Swift Destruction” and they are not there. The Greek words for Fire and Hail are what’s there.
Who are you to substitute different words other than the originals and say YOUR meaning is the intended one?
You are adding to the words, and that is a NO-NO.
Dominic, what you need is to take a good long ride on your skateboard and chill out.
I know I’m pushin it as far as being civil goes, so I’ll cease.
Wow, maybe you should Put Joseph W Tkach in place of Ron, it would make a little more sense. Tkach took over after Armstrong died, he turned his back on Gods law. He caused massive destruction to Gods temple, those 150,000 stones. God spewed these people out of his mouth like he prophesied long ago would happen to the laodicean church. They became rich and haughty in their minds. God can not work with people like this. He works with people who humble themselves to listen to him and His 10 commandments. Of which none of you, or me can possibly observe. He grants mercy to those who humble themselves.
And my interpretation of those scriptures is represenative of what those symbolic signs actually mean. You people are actually waiting for hail and fire from the sky? you want too see all your front yards burnt up?
Blind is, as blind does.
helpingusoon, are you Dominic or Ron? I can’t tell the difference. You have one view and one view only and that belongs RW, not PKG, just RW because he is a one man show. Bet you listen to his so called sermons more than once a week too.
actually. about two or three times a day
ive listened too about 200
from 2000-to today, and next sabbath. spaare me your pity snake.
Too RK.
Who Am I? I am one of multiple witnesses of God who see this perverted world for what it is.
I am of God as Ron is, and so are evry brother and sister in Gods church.
If I write, I speak in Gods name. Not mine.
So, I am of God as well. But I am not a prophet, just a witness.
oooooooooo. how dare i?
I dare not think of all the family break-ups Armstrongism causes.
If it were the ‘truths’ alone (which to me were always the most important), it wouldn’t have been so bad. It’s all the PROPHECY that NEVER eventuates that has caused the most grief.
It’s one thing to watch and wait and ‘occupy’ until he comes, it’s quite another to believe that bombs
are going to go off any second.
JB, I used to listen to the sermons all day at work, didn’t want any doubt to come into my mind!!! Lol.
I’m glad that all this didn’t end my second marriage, although wouldn’t have blamed him one little bit if he had have left. One lost marriage was hard enough to get over….
Have a great weekend all, I’ve got a big one planned….
Its funny Mike thinks hes better than me when he is he probably running a mocking website of Ron. Your a lying hypocrite, you ner, ner, ner, ner, Dominic, blah,blah, blah, HOW DARE I MOCK YOU RETARDS? WHEN YOU DO SO TOO GODS PROPHETS? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! Any yeah, you are trying to mock and make fun of Ron? How are you people justified in mocking Ron over me mocking you? Paradox? mmmmmmmmmmmmm. you truly are a loser, and a hypocrite, your mad cuz i mock you? your mind is perverted and I am glad you tried to use my own words against me. You think for Satan, not yourself.
Peace Loser.
at least your first husband was smart too leave you
Kirrily, dont u just post here for attention? You think you know sooooo much when you know nothing. Quite funny.
Were u refering to my family? I thought you wouldnt read my post. Your such a bad liar.
helpingusoon,
Is that how you talk to everyone you encounter? It would be nice if you would just speak normally. People that rant about God with angry bible-speak sound a little unbalanced. Most people here are trying really hard to be patient with your ranting, but if you can’t get it under control you’re going to push them into being rude to you – and you will have brought it on yourself because of your own behavior.
Being a professing Christian myself, I’m glad you’re not calling yourself one, because you certainly don’t behave like one. When I committed my life to God, people noticed changes in me; I was happier, more considerate of others, loving life like I never had before. I don’t know what you were like before you got mixed up with Ron, but you seem like a miserable, angry person – and that’s very sad. The god you believe in has not had a good effect on you.
I don’t know anyone on this blog personally, but I’ve participated long enough to know them better than you and I can tell you you’re very wrong in your assessment of us; you’re making a lot of false accusations and assumptions. No one here is conning you or taking your money.
I’m sorry to hear your wife left you, but make no mistake, you chose Ron over her, not God. Ron has broken up many families. I wish you would open your eyes and see how being involved with Ron has affected your life.
Mike
Yes, agreed – in both of those Scriptures I quoted where God changed his judgement, appeals were made to God.
Regarding the shortening of the time of tribulation (Matt 24: 21,22), you could argue that for it to be shortened it has to start off longer. Hence the 3 1/2 years Ron quoted in his book.
THE LAST THING I WANT FROM YOU ANGEL IS YOUR PITY.
You seem to think being a Christian is easy, but CHrist said quite the contrary. PLEASE EXPLAIN. After becoming a “True CHristian” I have suffered more persecution here. as CHrist said, for his name I will suffer.
So why do you believe this way of life to be so Easy?
Kirrily
You said “Rons not the only cog with all the truths and timings.”
You know more than me about this. Can you please elaborate.
I thought PKG was the only cog with multiple timings revolving round ’280′ ?
James Malm came up with it first Mal, I forget who else. Sorry, I’m a bit rusty.
James was very nice to me, we emailed each other quite a bit. Even though he came up with the second timeline before Ron, I think that because certain things didn’t happen ( don’t mean to be vague, but I’m sure you can empthasise that I wasn’t about to follow another person making predictions in a hurry), he has since said this timeline was wrong.
Another difference with James is he says he is not a prophet. He also doesn’t agree with united cog, living cog ect.
Again, James was very nice to me, and I listened to his sermons for a while, but not for about a year. I guess I am spiritually spent.
All these calculations of times and dates has always been mind bending to me lol, probably due to my extreme aversion to maths!!! No one should ever let me near their accounts, I’d mess them up for sure!!!
If you google James im sure he is still around… the others here might know more about any others, I just remember that Ron himself said ‘others’ had worked out the second timeline first. He then said working out timelines wasn’t “rocket science” (after previosly saying only god could give it).
I later found out it was James malm, and after that, mike here himself figured it out too.
Hope that helps…. Again I’m typing this from my iPhone, sorry about spelling and layout
Oh sorry I forgot too Mal, James is like Ron in the sense he still has all the truths but left mainstream cog …
Dominic, I would like you to cut and paste these statements somewhere, and keep them to read over when you celebrate your 26th birthday. You are 23 now, so by the time you are 26 the second coming will have occurred if Ron is right. You can read it over and laugh at what a fool I was, and worship the cruel god who has condemned me to a lake of fire for using the brain he gave me in the first place. Here goes:
Dear Dominic
For a while, you believed you had a strong, direct relationship with God. This was very intoxicating, and made you feel special and gave you a sense of power. The iron certainty that you were right and were doing Gods work made you do and say some things that were not very nice. You did them because you felt that you had god on your side, and when god is on your side, how can you be wrong?
You were encouraged and even led to think this way by a man who claimed to be a prophet. He was going to lead you to the promised land, so to speak.
You did not see, just like many others, that what you were in fact involved with was a cult. Cults tend to develop ways to keep people from thinking critically about their leadership and the workings of the cult themselves. They use sophisticated psychological methods to make sure you do not question them, and to make sure that if there is a conflict between mainsteam reality and the concepts of the cult, the members will reject reality rather than the cult’s views. Some of them are designed that way, some develop that way, many are somewhere in the middle. It is what cults do – they take individuals and turn them into followers.
You are now 26, an older, wiser, and probably sadder man. Jezus did not return. If there is a god out there, you are not privvy to his plans like you thought you were. It turns out you are no more special than the rest of us, and for a long time this has not been enough for you.
Don’t panic. Look at it as a test.
A real man will admit that he was wrong, figure out how he went wrong, make amends where this is required and walk away stronger and wiser. This may take a little time, which is only to be expected. Come look us up – were not bad people, and while we do hate Ron’s power-hungry deceit, and argue vehemently and sometimes even viciously with anyone who tries to spread it, we have no ill feelings to his victims. There are others here who went through the same thing.
A fool will find a new delusion to hide in. You may even chose to believe the new lies that Ron wil undoubtedly come up with. I would like to ask you this – if I set you to digging a hole, and tell you there is gold down there if you dig deep enough, how long does it take before you start to doubt me? And if I am telling you to fix the sewer pipe down there while you are at it? If after a long time, no gold appeared, but I benefitted from your fruitless digging all along, which is more likely? That I was dishonest, or that you simply didn’t dig hard enough?
It is time now to see things clearly, to realize that just because you want something to be true does not make them true. Time to become your own man and think for yourself. Don’t blame yourself over much for believing the horsemanure you were fed – the whole cult was designed to find people like yourself, offer them a powerful fantasy, and then keep them thinking in circles so they never stopped to think criticaly about the whole thing. You didn’t delude yourself, someone set out to delude you for their own benefit and to justify their religious mania.
Look on the bright side – you have a whole world and 3/4 of your life left to spend in it. It is all up to you. I wish you the best of luck.
So Mal, would you like to take mathmatical calculations from a person who cant count? Dont let her near your account, especially your own beliefs in a timeline which has only been around since God revealed it correctly to Ron. Dont forget the odds you precisely calculated, about how the odds are astronomical that they just happen to fit ironically with the events that have happened to the church of god.
You know, the only church mentioned in the bible. Dont let this “witch” because witches work for Satan, and I have never encountered one untill now. But keep your mind open, and not closed, because if nothing happens, You dont have anything to worry about. But if it does, Thank God he opened your mind too it.
Kirrily, you should get a life that doesnt involve you parading yourself for what you think you know. Because you are x-pkg, u think u know something? Wow, you are miserable, naked, and blind. That is a message from my GOd too you.
Matt, that is lovely. I know you meant this for Dominic, but what you just wrote means a lot to me, and resonates strongly with me too.
Thank you.
Kirrily
Thanks for your response.
Sorry to push this point, but it is important to me.
There are over 50 ‘truths’ at PKG. I understood many of these are unique to PKG. Is this right or wrong ?
Similarly with the timelines. I understood that the complex timeline chart on PKG website was unique to them. Is this right or wrong ?
Mal;…helpin you soon is playin psychological warfare by bombarding you with compliments/flatteries which can easily corrupt even the most strong of men…there is something about being corrupted/bribed in the wisdom of solomon and to beware of it.
Plus for the your benefit also mal and other christians, remember this…. Ron contradicts the most fundamental foundation of how salvation is achieved…by faith….but RON says salvation is is by “doctrine” and your faith (which perhaps millions possess) is not acknowledged by God…thus this should be the “key”….anythin that adds to faith is non scriptural…ephesians 2: 8,9…Ron says you have to earn it by doin whatever he says and if you don’t do it according to his timetable (even if you are struggling/trying), then you will be disfellowshipped and receive eternal damnation and yes i know this for a fact even though he tends to keep it on the low, some in my experience know i am speaking the truth…the bible says the exact opposite to what Ron says…while works “are” needed if one is serious (and will produce them in time), it is not works that save or doctrine but the “intention of the heart”…it does not say one has to be a “scholar” to enter heaven. I am just sayin this from your point of view and perhaps other christians who are reading but not posting here who also may have an interest in ron weinland being a possible true prophet etc and so i am usin your scriptures to help you understand hopefully that ron is a bag of wind and nothin more…well an evil bag of wind.
53 truths mal.
Whoo – looks like Ronald better rein in his sheeple again – Or put some medication in the Flavor Aid he is handing out
helpingussoon is quite a display of attitude & behaviour of a baptized member of COG-PKG – I certainly wouldn’t want his particular brand of teaching/help in the Wonderful Word Tomorrow/Millenium – he posts as if he speaks on God’s behalf – sounds like Ronnie might have some competition – Ronnie won’t like his posts d/t his lack of ‘being a student’ & defying Ronnie’s authority and posting on this blog –
It certainly is one thing to disagree with a post – however, the spewing of this hatred and vitriol is something else – Interestingly we were called Vile Spirits – I haven’t seen anything this vile for some time –
In someone’s posts above, they cite the many deaths in proof of one of the thunders – What happened to the deaths of the other COG leaders as Ronald predicted ? I will tell ya – They never happened – changing time lines is not the only matter Ronnie has lied about -
Matt,
Please spare me.
Do you think I am saying that my God tortures people? I actually said quite the obvious. I said even you people have 1 more chance. I dont condem people to a place I dont believe in. Sorry, so just read a little bit more then you have, because you associate me with “Traditional Christianity”, which I am clearly in a class of my own. I even told another person who believes in “SPIRITUAL FIRE” that hell has been translated from Grave. Thats it, the human body is composed of over 16 elements and those elements make up the dust we walk on. And it seems funny that Steve says I am trying to flatter Mal? I encourage you not too be flattered bye them in turn. What do you think these wolves are howling at me for Mal? Because they hate the truth, and they hate God. Demons can not stand God and his plan. I see many demons in the people who express their opinions here on this b/s website. I am sorry but that is what this is. b/s.
A man who claims wisdom and humble understanding of truth to childishly make up a website just dedicated to disproving ONE MAN!?
Yeeeeeah, this guy is smarter then the cactuses in my front yard. He whines when someone dishes his own medicine against him, and his cohorts, they are just as evil and unloving. Like you said to Angel Mal, Why do you people single me out? Because you finally get to converse with someone in Gods True CHurch. Do you think this is strengthining you people or me? Who is learning a greater lesson?
I still see nobody cares to comment on the accuracy of the 7 thunders in Rons book. And that not a single professing “CHRISTIAN” can answer my questions. So who is a coward? i asked my questions first and deserve them to be answered.
BECAUSE IF YOU BELIEVe THAT YOU ARE RIGHT, THAT MEENS EVERY ONE ELSE YOU KNOW AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS WRONG. SO HOW COME YOU DONT DEDICATE A WEBSITE TO DISPROVING THE GUY IN FLORIDA WHO SAYS HE is JESUS CHRIST? WHAT ABOUT THE MORMONS? OR THE CATHOLICS? WHY NOT THE POPE? DO YOU AGREE THAT THE POPE IS THE GO TOO GUY FOR GOD? THEN WHY DONT YOU BUILD A WEBSITE TO DISPROVE EVRY ONES BELIEFS? WHY JUST COG-PKG? A PERSONAL GRUDGE THAT YOU HAVE JUST LIKE KIRRLILILLY?
HHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMM. “Where the body is, the Vultures are.” guess this scripture doesnt make sense to anyone other then myself.
Its also interesting that Kirrily cant answer mals simple question. That only Cog-pkg, has an exact gtimeline. You belive someone else dreamt this timeline up. But you are a little rusty as to how, or where you can prove yourself right in this matter. Your ignorance will be the end of you and your family.
That’s so true Debbie, being a student and being obedient was so important in pkg. The ministry would be disgusted with Dominics posts for sure – they would wonder if he was even called.
Mal, let me put it this way – I was with Garners group before rons. Was with garners group for about 5 years. None of rons truths were new to me except Jesus not being eternal, and of course Ronnie being the witness.
I no longer keep a list of the 50 truths, and havnt looked at them since I left pkg in jan 09, but I distinctly remember thinking none of this was news to me.
None of the other cogs list any truths to my knowledge, they are just learned along the way. So you can’t compare rons ‘list’ to ‘Icog’ for example.
Rons ‘listing’ of truths was quite effective – but if the other cogs listed the truths too, they would be nearly identical- but really this is my own understanding, as I only have experience with ICOG, but when I look at other sites (and when Gardner died, some went to living, others to united, their truths are virtully the same. Apart from
what I have noted , pkg is no different.
Others here can perhhaps be more precise than I…..????
And if i write, as a baptized member of Gods church, I speak the truths of God, and in doing so, write, and speak for him. If God truly works in his people as he promised he does. So My simple question to people who think they know their God.
Do you say you speak or write for God?
I do. If I mock all other ways contrary to Gods, I do so righteously. God hates the ways of mankind, he doesnt care what you stupid people think. As Ron has stated in his sermons. The only thing that makes anything, including people, Holy, is if God resides in them.
So yes when I write, and when I mock, I do so because God has commissioned it so. Yeah, tough cookie. But true.
Nobody here has an oz of truth, except for me, and mal. thats it. GOD JUST WANTED TOO LET YOU ALL OF YOU KNOW IT.
PEACE
YOUR OWN PERVERTED UNDERSTANDING KIRRILY! AND YOU DONT SPEAK OR REPRESENT GOD AS I DO!
SO DOES YOUR HUSBAND KNOW YOU FANCY THE ATTENTION OF OTHER MEN ON THIS WEBSITE? WAS HIS PAT ON YOUR BACK WORTH TURNING FROM GOD? HAHHAHAHAHAHAAH. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING KIRRILYLLLUI.
Helping you soon said this about Mike;
“A man who claims wisdom and humble understanding of truth to childishly make up a website just dedicated to disproving ONE MAN!?”
It is thanks to Mike that “i myself” came to this site when i had doubts about ron. He layed out arguments very well (and still does)…and this blog right here, helped me alot in my decision to stay away from Ron before i got too deep. It helped put things into an “organised” perspective in which made it easier to form a “logical” and fair opinion/evaluation of wether ron was the real thing or not…so it is hardly childish….i am very thank full for his site and others out there like it for hopefully they will help keep others away from Ron Weinland.
Helpinusoon also says;
“Do you think this is strengthining you people or me? ”
I think from a psychological perspective that you are perhaps trying to re-assure yourself you are on the right path….it doesnt take much smarts to come to that conclusion so yes, you are losing your strength, this is fairly easy for me to see….your ego will no doubt deny this and is why i try not to debate with people too much because ego’s rarely admit self error…but i guess sometimes i get tempted to engage.
Just wondering if people here have noticed my skill at ignoring something / someone?? I learned this skill well at PKG. That’s why I am able to ignore a certain someone on this blog…lol – turns out one skill at pkg that has come in handy, lol
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If he does actually answer any of my questions, can someone let me know? We probably don’t have long, as the elders will soon demand he stops entertaining demons and/or he gets disfellowshipped for not being teachable,’and raising himself above gods
prophet by attempting to teach the blind, lol
Sorry Steve, God does not admit error. He is never wrong.
So what your doing is choosing Mike, over Ron. Why not just listen to your leader people?
Mike and kirrily have so much knowledge in scripture and wisdom. You should name them your leaders, and your two wittnesses.
I mean, they have to be of God. Right?
For all we know Kirrily this could be Rons split personality while Laura is off with the “pool cleaner”
At least kirrily sees herself for what she is. Good job, on ignoring me. even though you know your lying and pretending that you dont want to get huffy puffy about my post. I will be here as long as this website is up.
Sorry, but its just part of the thunders.
Lol Steve!! I honestly don’t read his posts, I only get a jist of of them from what everyone replys to his posts…. I gather I’m pissing him off?? Reminds me of kindsrgarten…
PKG people HATE being ignored (I should know).
I just don’t need any crap from him, so I choose not to read his posts anymore. Life is too short
for that
Dominic, there is one important difference between myself and Ron that you misunderstand. I don’t tell people how to think. I don’t consider Steve to be my follower, and seriously doubt that he considers me his leader.
Dominic ranted “I still see nobody cares to comment on the accuracy of the 7 thunders in Rons book. And that not a single professing “CHRISTIAN” can answer my questions. So who is a coward? i asked my questions first and deserve them to be answered.”
Again I don’t tell people what to believe, I believe differently than everyone here to one degree or another. I don’t make a point of my beliefs because that’s not the point of this blog.
The 7 thunders have been well addressed on this blog and on my former blog location. It’s obvious that you don’t know what it is because you haven’t read any of the other posts on this blog, even the ones I’ve provided convenient links to. What’s the matter, is your faith so weak that you couldn’t read them?
You’ve made some vile accusations here. This comment thread is testimony to the thinking of some PKG members. I put the emphasis on “some” because I expect that most PKG members are not like you, particularly the ones who were in PKG by the Feast of Tabernacles of 2007 before Ron started advertising on Google based on certain keywords. Dominic, do you remember the keywords that brought Ron to your attention?
The number of comments here is approaching 200, at some point WordPress is going to start breaking it up into pages. I guess I’ll let this continue on as testimony to at least this one PKGer’s vile spirits.
“Megalomania- A psychopathological condition involving fantasies of wealth or power- a mental disorder characterized by delusions of grandeur, wealth or power.” New World Dictionary Helpingusoon, you don’t have an “in” or any secret knowledge to the end times that we haven’t already been beaten over the heads with since the 50′s. Urgency waxes and wanes with the years, especially when economics are bad or there is a spate of bad weather conditions. The thing is, you are all fired up right now, you have that imaginary “first love” that many of us experienced when we first got involved with a COG. We all just sit hear and squirm over your zealous attempts to save our souls, when we know that you have very little influence over ANYONE. You have made a conscious decision to follow someone that you passionately believe will save your mortal body in the event of a cataclysm. Mazeltov! Because of your abrasive attitude, you have lost your marriage, and if all you say IS true, you will live to see your daughter perish during the tribulation. Too many COG ‘ers drove their families away forever by their fearmongering and haughty, better than thou attitudes. God’s Spirit is one of peace and humility, God draws you in with His love, not out of fear of war and disease and weather. I walked away after more than 40 years of it’s influence with a calm spirit and pure heart. I am not any further away from God’s love and protection than I was when I was in the WCG. Actually, I feel I am closer TO God now more than ever because I am free from fear, and have been blessed far MORE than I ever was back in the day. If the nukes dropped tomorrow I have absolute confidence that I will be ressurected and be made perfect because of faith. So helpingusoon, please take a walk, take a breath, and try to enjoy life a little. You are not going to gain any converts here. Actually, it has been a perfect forum for all of us to reafirm what we DO believe, and it’s NOT what you are spouting. (and please, slow down a little when you type and try to spell better and use proper grammar. There are times when your sentences are nicely worded, and then, most of the time it’s awful. Makes me wince and lose a little respect for your intelligence. It’s “to”, not “too”, and “you’re”, not “your”. Thank you.
I got the two hundreth comment!!!
Dill Weed
helpingusoon,
I don’t think it counts if you’re suffering persecution because you’re mean to people. I never said being a Christian was easy; to fight against my own nature, deny myself what I often feel like doing, is hardly easy. I never cared about doing things God’s way before, now I want to, but it’s not always easy.
It’s not easy, for instance, to love people who are rude to me. You mistake my compassion for pity; compassion is love, Dominic. It would be so easy to tell you off – in my BC days I would have done it in a heartbeat. Now, even when I see that you’re trying to push my buttons, something (God) inside me tells me to be nice, to treat you the way I’d want to be treated.
Jesus said count the cost – of following Him. I’ve lost friends, had family members shun me, been ridiculed by unbelievers and people of other faiths – it has cost me to follow Him. My conservative views are hated by many in our society. My intelligence is called into question; since you’ve joined this blog you’ve called me (and everyone else here) stupid, retard, loser, so-called Christian and a host of other insulting names – think I enjoy that? I don’t think anyone here would blame me if I hauled off and slung some names back at you – but I’m not going to.
Sorry, you can’t stop me from feeling sad for you, or caring how being involved with Ron is affecting your life.
Kirrily,
You’re awesome! I admire your strength of character, you go, girl!
helpingusoon,
It only takes one man to start a cult; look at Jim Jones, David Koresh, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, Michael Travessar – the list goes on and on.
Whatmeworry, I, too, have a much closer relationship with God since I left the cog group. My fear is gone, my love for people has increased, and yes, I have been blessed immeasurably both physical and spiritually since I left. My relationship with Him is very personal. It tears my heart to see someone such as “helpingusoon” so taken in by a cult and caught so thoroughly. I know we all have a myriad of different beliefs, and the one common thing on this blog is that we know what a cult can do and we care. That’s all.
Reading the stuff that is coming out of “helpingusoon’s” mouth is typical – I’ve heard it all before. I used to even feel that way to a certain extent (and seeing it coming from him shows how disgusting it all was). Maybe some day he’ll wake up, maybe not.
I certainly hope that his daughter is in the custody of her mother because if she is raised hearing all that hate and negativity coming from her father, she will be one messed up girl.
Thanks for your input, whatmeworry. I enjoyed reading it. You too, Angel. And especially you, Kirrily. Keep up the good work.
To Helpingusoon
I”m appalled at your comments.Your starting to get scary. Your an embarrassment to the cog-pkg. If you think you’re in the true church, you should be holding yourself to a higher standard. Your name calling, and vile ranting is horrible, I’m beginning to think you’re possessed. You call others retards, you should look at yourself, I’d say you have the lowest intellegence of anyone on this blog.
Don’t you know that as a member of the cog-pkg, you’re to be a student, the last place you should be is here trying to convince people of anything, you’re not going to be successful, especially the way you’re going about it. Don’t you know that Mike has an agenda, he’s given himself the easy job of making Ron Weinland and cog-pkg look bad, and you’re making it even easier.
You should apologize to everyone on this blog, especially Kirrily, calling her a coward was totally out of line. All the other people on this blog have shown a more christian attitude then you have. Next, you should get off this blog and stay off. Then you should read Ephesians 4:32, Philippians 4:8, Galatians 5:22-23, Luke 6:27-45, also the book of Proverbs and Pslams. I could list many more verses but I hope you get the point.
Welcome back rj, if I recall correctly you left comments on my old blogspot location Don’t Drink the Flavor Aid just over a year ago. Hope you’re doing well during the great tribulation.
Dominic said: “I will be here as long as this website is up. Sorry, but its just part of the thunders.”
Actually, Dominic, you’ll be here as long as you’re tolerated. I do have technical means to shut you out. The only thing to figure out is whether our tolerance will end first, or whether PKG’s tolerance will end. I suspect that Don Edwards will have similar views to rj of your participation here.
And I’m surprised to find a situation where I agree with most of the statements made here by a PKG member. But that’s the way it is with what rj just posted.
helpingusoon says:
April 16, 2010 at 05:33
“I speak the truths of God, and in doing so, write, and speak for him…..Do you say you speak or write for God?…I do…..So yes when I write, and when I mock, I do so because God has commissioned it so……..Nobody here has an oz of truth, except for me, and mal. thats it. GOD JUST WANTED TOO LET YOU ALL OF YOU KNOW IT.”
So, Dominic, you’re speaking and writing for God, because He has commissioned it so? And He just wants all of us to know it?
Well I got news for you. I don’t think Ron Weinland would see it quite that way. You’re stepping into Ron’s territory now.
In fact, you should know, that when Ron finds out what you are doing here, you’re time on this blog will be over with.
You said, “I will be here as long as this website is up.”
Don’t think so. Ron will see to that.
And if Ron knows what you are doing here, and approves it, and doesn’t make you stop, it’s a sure sign that Ron is really flipping his lid.
It’s either one way or the other.
Don’t mean to appear to be repeating you, Mike.
I keep forgetting to look at the comments immediately before I post.
No problem RK. In fact I like the way you said it better.
Hi Mike,
I’m not a member of cog-pkg, I’m still on the fence, although I’m mostly a believer. On the one hand I believe the cog-pkg has more truth than other church in the world, but on the other hand, Ron Weinland’s wrong predictions and the several indiscrepancies in the book ” 2008 God’s final witness” torment me. The one thing I hate more than anything is all the religious confusion in this world, I wish I could live in the millennium, I really want Christ to come back on Pentecost 2012, so this world can be a better place.
So I’m going to continue to listen to all the sermon’s given by Ron. It might still work out that he is right about Christ’s return in 2012. There might be a reason why he appears to be a false phophet that we don’t understand now. I’m going to give him more time. Of course I’m going to keep an open mind that he really is false. And I’m going to live every day as productive as I can be, and at the same time treat everyone I come into contact with the best I can, [love thy neighbor as thyself].
Mike, I’m concerned for you, I think you should keep your mind open, even if it’s just a tiny little bit, that Ron could be right. I hope you haven’t hardened your heart so much that you’ll forever reject God’s truths just because of your experiences growing up in the worldwide church of God. I think you’re a nice guy and that would be a shame.
I really don’t want to comment to much on this blog because, #1 I don’t have much time, and #2, I want to defend Ron, and its just to big of a challenge for me!
This poor man, although blatantly foul mouthed and hurtful of others, has lost his wife to stay with Ron?
That is so very sad, words can not do it justice.
Gave up a wife to keep a Ron? That just sounds so odd…
This a very sad occurrence and explains allot of the horrible behavior and wicked words of harm.
While he is of evil temperament let us not forget the horrible pain that drives him, loss of a married wife for the gain of a Ron.
The shame of the facts would easily be enough to set even strong men upon the same road of hate and despite.
Dominic trods down a very bleak and rock-filled road, and it’s not an easy path to follow.
Do not forget for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for Dominic, for it is not always better to have loved and lost, for those who have gained a loving wife and lost them know deep down what it is they have lost indeed and it must hurt something awful. All for the gain of a Ron… How very sad.
Ron may be one of the very few things Dominic has left, how very sad again. Lost if ones wife and cherished in word is the snake who split a union under God.
How very sad…
rj, thanks for the kind thought but don’t worry about it. If God is Ron’s god, a god who would choose a prophet who presumptuously voices his own assumptions after stating he is a prophet, and a prophet who lies and is not true to his word, then please throw me in the lake of fire — don’t torture me for all eternity. I wouldn’t want a god I couldn’t trust, one who is an author of confusion.
Good to hear from you rj.
Sounds like you are in a similar position to myself regarding Ron.
whatmeworry said:
“There are times when your sentences are nicely worded, and then, most of the time it’s awful. Makes me wince and lose a little respect for your intelligence. It’s “to”, not “too”, and “you’re”, not “your”. Thank you.”
With respect, peoples grammar/spelling is a petty issue to bring up.
I have heard comments here about writing style before.
As long as the content is clear, peoples writing capabilities are surely not that important.
Mal, Rj – Rj you have said exactly what i have been trying to say.
For me, it was ALWAYS about the TRUTHS!!! (That I first learned with Garner) THAT is what was so beautiful – for the first time after being in quite a few religions, it was like my eyes were opened for the first time, and had that ‘first love’ – like whatmeworry I think calls it above).
When prophecy was ADDED to the truths, you can’t help but think “it HAS to be true”. I’ve said the rest of why I finally left too many times here to repeat it now.
The ‘truths’ for me now? Well most of them are still in my heart, still precious, but dormant. No lie can be of the truth, and I just don’t have the strength to look at anything. I’m just at a place of mostly peace, but I do have that ‘hole’ in my heart. Gods not there, and what really hurts is that I don’t know if he ever was.
I thought he was when I was a little girl and a seventh day Adventist.
I thought He was as a teenager when I gave th JW’s a try.
I thought He was in my 20′s when I was a born again Christian in MANY different churches.
I thought HE was when I came across Garner Ted, and this experience was ona whole other level.
I keep looking for God, think I have found a TRUTH, but it never is.
I’m in awe of people like whatmeworry being in there for 40 years and being in the place you are now. There is hope for me yet! I didn’t allow Ron to ‘steal’ my “relationship” with God, I just don’t know if I ever had one with him at all
for now, I have to stop thinking about that stuff – there is a reason they say rejection is the worst type of pain – as I feel
rejected by God, he hasn’t let me find him after all, and I don’t know why.
Rj,
You seem like a sincere, reasonable person; much like Mal. I can understand you wishing Jesus would come back in 2012, so the world can be a better place; I wish He’d come back sooner than that – for the same reason! But wishin’ and hopin’ doesn’t make something so. Ron has already demonstrated that he does not speak for God and doesn’t know the timing of end-time events.
If Ron’s prophecies had taken place just as he said, we would have had to admit that his predictions were correct; however, they did not, and most of us believe the test of a prophet does not allow for error or second chances. Time will tell if we are right about that, just as you feel time will tell if you are right.
In the meantime, the evidence weighs heavily on our side, because every prophet that has tried to predict the timing, using numbers, dates and events, has been wrong. This being the case, it shouldn’t be too hard to understand why some feel so strongly that it’s foolish to keep putting your faith in such men. I hope that when Ron proves himself wrong again in 2012 you will not accept any further excuses and walk away from him.
Kirrily,
God hasn’t rejected you.
I think of it like this; there was a time when I was alone, wishing I could meet someone I wanted to spend the rest of my life with. I would watch other couples and think, why not me?
It’s all about timing. In the meantime, don’t close the door of your heart to Him. Use the peephole, though, and don’t settle for less than the real thing. You know what a false prophet looks like, so if one comes knocking, don’t open the door!
Thanks Angel – I like to think that is the very lesson i was to learn – that’s my favourite thing to believe anyway!! I think my heart is starting to open again, but my mind isn’t – it’s just too damn tired lol. Thanks again for your kind words
OKay people, First things first, ALL OF YOU ARE RIGHT! I am completely apologetic too all of you. Kirrily especially, she is a sister of mine but just asleep. I dont hate you people, I hate the way you guys seem to justify mocking a “SINGLE MAN”, So I unrighteously so, mocked everyone on this website. My mind is “BRAINWASHED” to these ways. I cant help what I believe, but I was not justified in calling you names.
I once again apologize to all of you, and I am being serious. I did not represent my God when I so fiercley lashed out with my immature attitude. I realize that what I was doing is wrong, I ask for your forgiveness, I did not represent my elder brother, and I was not a righteous servant to try to defend “My King”. the king of kings. IF THIS IS TRUE, THEN LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, I WILL NOT MOCK AND POKE FUN AT YOU GUYS. JUST HEAR MY REALIZATION.
IF THIS IS TRUE. THIS IS WHAT I DID TO ALL OF YOU! AND I PERSONALLY ASK FOR EVERYONES FORGIVENESS, I FORGOT MY OWN CIVILITY AND MANNERS. (heres what i did)
1. If Ron is Gods Prophet, and he represents God.
2.I “with my wretched attitude”, pushed all of you further from th teachings of our God.(ron & I)
3. HOW? If this is true, I did not represent the attitude of a loving person, whom God is working with, and basically made you hate the Church of God-PKG(and Ron) even more. Not just because Ron changed his timelines 2 times like you said. But because I myself a baptized member did not “exhibit Godly mannerisms”, I could not be possibly be of God, and you guys were right. I did not exhibit an attitude which would have shown people that Cog-Pkg has loving,”caring”,humble members. As I stated I have a lot of growing to do and ask once more time, Please forgive my attitude and I will no longer show the mockery I have been dishing out unrighteously so.
I personally apologize to Mal, and Rj. I see what is happening in your lives and it is awsome. If I am too be a future brother too you both then I ask you to remember what “christ” stated about forgiveness. 7×77?
I APOLOGIZE TO YOU MOST DEFINTELY KIRRILY.
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Kirrily, I was a second generationer so I don’t think I ever had that “first love” that alot of people experienced when they came into the WCG. I was expected to grow up, be baptized and so on. And for the most part I did, but I did alot of it out of fear. I was petrified of being left behind when the church fled to Petra, petrified of going into a concentration camp and being tortured. I was not martyr material. But this was what my immature brain got out of my childhood in the WCG. Luckily, much later on I was really blessed to have had a handful of ministers in the last 20 some odd years that I was there who truly changed my perspective of God and Christ. I guess they “humanized” them to me, and I came to see not the fear factor, but the love and compassion that God really is. So that started my skepticism of the organization, I saw the underbelly as it really was, and as an evolutionary process, I weaned myself off the material church and learned to stand on my own beliefs. When I first started coming to these blogs, sometimes they made me squirm, I could hardly believe that the stuff written on them could possibly have been in MY church. But gradually, I had to admit it, alot of it was true, and then I had to forgive myself for being such a chump. Now, like I said earlier, I WANT to pray, I LIKE to meditate, not because I was told to but because I now feel like I have a real relationship with God, as a father and grown up child would. Kirrily, you have that relationship with God, but you need a respite, a time to gather your thoughts and put things in perspective. It is exhausting, confusing and you don’t need to do anythng but be still and listen to that still small voice. Peace.
Thank you so much for your words whatmeworry, greatly appreciated. Yes indeed, time to just ‘be’ is what I need to do. Thanks again
To Helpingusoon
I’m thankful to see your change of heart, it’s hard to admit when your wrong, way to go. I wish you the best in your journey as a disciple. May God bless you. All the glory to our great and perfect God and his son, our savior Jesus Christ
Dominic, I’ll accept your apology at face value. What the others here do is up to them. I doubt that what you displayed here changed any minds, probably not even the fence sitters here (Mal and rj). As I’ve previously stated, I don’t think what you displayed is representative of most PKG members, at least the long term members.
Dominic, I view you as responsible for your own actions, not Ron’s. Ron is responsible for his actions and he has not shown any repentance such as you have just done. So understand that the criticism and mocking of him will continue unabated as long as he does.
Also I would hope that you would recognize that some of your questions have been responded to here or on other pages on this website (of which there are dozens). I have taken time to address some of your questions. As far as the questions that haven’t been answered — well, you’ve stereotyped everyone here based on your preconceptions which are based on… what? We’re not going to debate you on theology, if you want to believe Armstrongism there are dozens of other groups that believe all that stuff but most without as much false prophecy. Again, I don’t stereotype all PKG members based on what’s gone on here. If you think that you’re going to convince us of anything, you’re going to have to give up some facts. Since God didn’t “just put it in our mind”.
As far as the questions that Kirrily raised which you have pointedly ignored, I personally have no expectation that you’ll answer them, beyond perhaps parroting Ron’s explanations which are — oh, never mind what they are. What makes PKG a cult is not so much what the beliefs are. What makes PKG a cult is that its members take what Weinland says, that is the latest thing that he says, without critical examination. Most of the rest of us on this blog need some facts to rub together before we’ll believe that someone is a prophet of God
However, I have a feeling that Don Edwards is going to shut you down tomorrow. If he does, send me an email (address on the mailbox picture on the right side of this blog) and I’ll let the folks know not to expect to hear back from you. In any case, I hope the damage done to your personal life from your involvement with this false prophet can be undone.
I appreciate your concern but If you couldnt tell and as one person put it clearly, I am of one mind with Ron. Everything he says I believe because I believe he is a prophet. My intention is not to prove him anymore. And as you said about Don, I doubt he will have anything to say about it. We dont go looking for trouble, as i stated, I apologize if you feel that I am lost.
But like you, every person has a choice to believe what they will. I happen to believe in Ron. I wont doubt Ron utill, he decides the timeline should change. I could except three changes because I have that kind of heart.
What you need to understand Mike is that every person in COG-PKG is in one mind, and one belief. We dont squabble about Ron changing the timeline, we dont try to disprove him. We just see that the most important part of being Ekklesia: Called out ones, is that we all be of the same mind. From, Ron & Laura, to Wayne and Ralph, and all the other members that make up the body of christ. We all agree as one mind, and one body, but if the eye offend you, pluck it out, and cast it into the fire. We dont accept anyone bringing their own “interpretations or beliefs”, we show them the door quickly, And it works both ways.
I actually feel extremely blessed to be where I am. Yeah it may look bad to you, but not to me. I have to live my life, and you do yours.
After reading Mike and RJ’s post I did read Dominics last post, and I do accept your apology most definately.
I too am sorry for anger I displayed to you.
I do understand where you are coming from, and know you probably thought you were doing a good thing here with what you were saying.
I don’t really know what else to say Dominic, except this – when you do realise he is false, can you please please please remember us?
I don’t believe there is one person on this blog who would not greet you with cyber arms open wide, and let you
pour the absolute gut wrenching horror, hearbeak, anger, numbness and many other emotions you will go through.
Remember me, and all the others here who have gone before you.
I will be there for you when all this ends, I promise you that. I’m sure most here will be here for you too. It will be one of the hardest times in your life – but you will get over it, come out the other side better for it. It will take time and hard work, and you will need people to reach out to.
Everyone here was there for me, and these people are huge reason I am doing ok today.
My first husband kicked me out due to my following the truths, and that pain alone cannot be underestimated – so there to, I can empathize with you.
Thank you for your apolgy Dominic.
Oh, I totally understand that you are of one mind with Ron, which is another way of saying that he does your thinking for you. Based on that, you absolutely would not want to examine critically what he says. No need to apologize to me for being lost, I am not one who suffers as a result.
And I agree that I’m not the one who has to live your life — you are. And your daughter, and to some extent your ex-wife.
Mike, I repented of my “attacks, and my mockeries” to all of you. I am glad Kirrily has been able to accept my apology.
So this is for you Kirrily, you are forfiving even when pushed to your own limit bye my harrasment and I thank you for it.
Mike, from the worlds perspective you are doing people a favor. But i have one question for you if you could answer it for me.
Why Ron? Why not Pope Benedict? Or the world of Islam? Why Not the person who calls himself Christ? Even I wouldnt fall for that. You know, the guy in Florida. I am being serious here, I just am very curious. Please answer in a humble manner, as i did with my own repentance.
Dominic
Thankyou for apologising to the folk on this blog.
I will keep watching world events and listening to Ron’s sermons at least for a few months more.
Whatever happens, I wish you well.
And you have found fault in Ron. I see the faults he had, I see some still, but I am not perfect, and I am not anyone to judge a someone else. Especially you, or Ron. Because we are not to mock and make fun of things we dont understand. Like me wondering how you cant see what I see, and vice versa.
helpingusoon, I accept your apology. And I second what Mike and Kirrily have said in response to your apology.
“Why Ron? Why not {someone else}”
Dominic, a good question. After thinking about it a bit, I decided to improve the “ABOUT” page on this blog. It should answer that question and a few more. So follow the link I provided here, or the link way, way back at the top of the page in the banner.
helpingusoon said:
Why Ron? Why not Pope Benedict? Or the world of Islam?
Most likely because he proclaimed himself to be a prophet of God. That’s just ludicrous! A prophet does not have to tell anyone he is a prophet. His actions and the power he manifests will prove he is a prophet. Ron has not manifested anything other than using the outdated law to collect money from the misinformed.
Mike,
I checked out your “About” page; very well said. Unless you’re doing this full time, there is not enough time to go after all the false prophets out there. It makes perfect sense that you would become interested in one of HWA’s followers, given your background of having been raised in WWCG.
I first became aware of Ron on a site that didn’t even focus on him; the host posted an article about him (a mocking one, I might add) and it just took off – he eventually had to close it and start a new thread because it was got so incredibly long.
Back then a lot more pro-Weinland people were posting, mostly the crackpots, though. Two years ago, on April 17, 2008, they abruptly disappeared off that forum, and they rarely make an appearance anywhere these days, as you well know. They never would answer questions anyway, all they ever wanted to do was go off on Sunday worship and drag you down the “pagan holidays” rabbit trail, or tell people to “read his books, go to his website, listen to his sermons”.
In the last few years I’ve followed the Movements of 2 cult leaders besides Ron: one of them is currently in jail (sigh of relief!) and the other has changed his timeline, like Ron, yet continues to have followers willing to accept his excuses, like Ron. He uses numbers, dates and events to predict the return of Christ, like Ron; he says he’s the only one teaching “the truth”, like Ron; gives boring sermons that somehow appeal to certain people, like Ron; has written books that spend A LOT of time discrediting the church and claims God has shown him things He’s shown no one else; like Ron.
There are, of course, many more men out there conning and deceiving people. To expose these men is a great service to those who have fallen prey to them, and I, for one, am grateful for your efforts.
“Why Ron? Why not Pope Benedict? Or the world of Islam?”
Lots of people have written about the problems with Catholicism and Islam. The Catholic church is no longer the “super power” it once was; for most people it’s really a non-issue. Likewise, the Koran is no match for the Bible which is why no one takes it seriously (other than Muslims, of course).
The best time to stop a cult is while it’s still small; once it gets as big as Islam, Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses, it’s a lot more difficult. Personally, I don’t think COG-PKG has a prayer of growing very large because of Ron’s continuing failure to prophesy accurately. Still, people are being deceived, people are being hurt, so I believe it’s a worthwhile effort to reach out to them.
To Kirrily XPKG,
Hi all, I am an Indian working & Living in Saudi Arabia. In my quest to find out ‘The Truth’ I bumped into Ron’s books in 2008. I read both his books, and Herbert Armstrong’s book ‘The Mystry of Ages’. (Till that time I do not know that a Church of God exists) Same like you Kirrily, I wanted the events come true because, the world can not go like this. Rich getting richer & poors getting poorer (Come to India). That the diseases spread everywhere, and no real cure in sight. Hatred among people is also growing every where. (It was not like this before 25 years). I belived in the ‘beautiful world tomorrow’ and prayed to ‘The Creator’ that I should live during Christ’s rule on earth. After reading all the comments posted here, my doubts are becoming true, that I actually did not find the Truth, but more confusion.
Tell me Kirrily, How You learned all your well manners, love & affection for fellow human beings, showing compassion even confrented, and meny things which I find difficult to describe. Is it just natural or the Fruit of your stay with the COG PKG? Time lines may change, but do you really belive that the events described in the Bible will not come true? I sincerely do not belive that Mr.Ron is an end time Witness or Apostel or Prophet or the Elijah to come.
I read in another website that “The day or time is not known to man” actually points to the Feast of Trumpets. (I honestly do not know about Jewish festival). But the author of that book described that since the Festivals were fixed based on the New moon, it was said like that. Any way, thank to all the writers, which give me an I dea of other’s thought.
Hello Joseph,
I think the most frustrating part of the confusion of there being so many beliefs systems out there is when you think you’ve come upon the truth, only to find it wasn’t. In reality, you didn’t find “more confusion”; the confusion was there, you just weren’t aware of it.
When you think someone is telling you the truth, and you put your trust in “them”, it is a betrayal to find out they were not telling you the truth after all. If what they say turns out not to be so, then what they told you was not the truth to begin with. Truth exists, but if we allow ourselves to get sidetracked by our feelings: anger, bitterness, disappointment, disillusionment, distrust, etc., and stop looking for it, then for sure we will never find it.
God is not the author of confusion; He has given us His word, and with His help we can understand as much as we need to know. We should never allow ourselves to be convinced that only a select few have been given special understanding and let them do our thinking for us; that way leads to deception. The Bible says it is not of any private interpretation.
Well, we all know what I believe. So if your ways are right, please explain them to me.
All I know is that scripture states plainly God has always worked through apostles and prophets, and has not changed in that regard. Amos 3:7 explains: “Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” The Lord God does His work through His servants, the prophets, to whom he reveals truths and teachings. If there are no prophets, then something is missing.
Besides the apostles named in the New Testament (whose body of 12 was meant to be maintained, as seen by the selection of Matthias to replace the deceased traitor Judas, Acts 1:24-26), we have other names of men who were prophets, after the time of Christ. Acts 15:32 names two: “And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.”
Did Paul say prophecy had ended with Christ? No. In fact, prophecy was a gift of the Spirit had among the Christian community, as Paul indicates in 1 Cor. 14:3: “But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.” Revelation 11:10 also prophecies of two prophets in particular who, in the last days, will be killed in Jerusalem and be revived miraculously.
Hey Dominic,
I still believe that there are prophets also, but Deuteronomy gives us a test of a prophet, and Ron failed that test – numerous times. Scripture tells me not to be afraid of false prophets. So where is God’s prophet/government – I don’t know….. Dominic, that’s what gets to me the most in all this ‘THE TRUTHS’….. They could still be true I guess, but it doesn’t change the fact that what Ron has prophesied in GODS NAME (then later said he just worked it out and got it wrong), has NOT come to pass. Therefore, if the truths are in fact the truths and of God, but Ron is false, then THE TRUE CHURCH MUST BE ANOTHER COG, and NOT PKG.
The alternative is that the ‘truths’ are baloney. Again, I can’t be bothered figuring all that out just now. There are so many arguments either way, most make so much sense. At the end of the day, the TRUTH appears to be what you believe at any given time, and subject to change when given new information. Therefore, to try as ASCERTAIN a SINGLE TRUTH, within a SINGLE BODY OF PEOPLE seems, well, impossible. After all, no one is in a church KNOWING it’s wrong (at least consciously anyway). So millions of people out there, believe what they do, because they THINK it’s true – but that doesn’t MAKE IT TRUE (except to them). COG-PKG is NO DIFFERENT, to ANY OTHER church. And until God reveals his TRUE CHURCH (if indeed there is a single one), I believe it will remain hidden until he comes again.
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Hi Joseph,
I feel for you. I don’t really know how to answer your questions, for I don’t have the answer. One thing I do know for sure though, is that the fruit that I bare, and fruit that I have seen others bare from PKG (and GTA) is Arrogance, Pride and Anger. I believe they are the 3 primary ones anyway.
You see, when you believe you are called out of this world, it SHOULD bring HUMILITY, and we are taught to BE HUMBLE – but unfortunately, that is NOT what happens – it’s in fact the complete OPPOSITE (human nature I guess). The problem is, I didn’t recognise what I had become UNTIL I LEFT.
I was like you, looking at the world around me and seeing the ugliness, the pointlessness, the sadness and agony – and WANTED to believe it would soon be over. You know what though, I think that’s the very mindset that ATTRACTS you to a church like PKG in the first place. Since I have left, instead of seeing ugliness, I’m beginning to see beauty. Instead of hatred, I’m beginning to see love. A mindset shift I guess you could say, and I believe I’m a much nicer person because of it.
We are all here on this planet, trying to find our way. Since my experience with PKG, I guess I have come out the other side A LOT MORE accepting of other people, and their beliefs…. this is because I NO LONGER believe I have some special ‘truth’ (therefore better than everyone else) – and am happy to be around ‘born again’ Christians and the most staunch atheists alike. After all, we are all JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE and have the best life in happiness that we possibly can.
What is true? What is false? Until GOD HIMSELF reveals it…. I don’t think we are ever going to know for sure – and I have to accept that.
So what now? What do I believe now? I don’t know… I’m just resting!!
I’m sorry I can’t answer more than that, I hope that helps. Feel free to ask me anything anytime and I will do my best. Perhaps some other XCOG or XPKG people here can answer better than I.
Dominic, you come in here and ask questions. Are you even looking at the answers provided? Have you looked at the other pages on this website?
As far as interpretation of scripture, there are so many different ones. Even so, there are people who believe the theology that Weinland teaches, except for the part about him being an end-time witness and apostle and elijah and whatever.
For someone to claim to be a representative of God is not a light thing, and requires awesome proof, not just his say-so. Weinland put forth specific claims, none of which have come true — for him to be truly God’s prophet, then everything must come true how he says and when he says. If Amos 3:7 is correct, then we are not in the end times as no prophet has been sent by God.
I think the key to finding “truth” is, first of all, realizing that in this life you’ll never have ALL of it. By that I mean, assuming the Bible is true (which I believe it is), you may have it in your hand, but there is much that cannot be understood completely without actually seeing God face to face. If God had wanted us to be able to understand all of it He would have explained it more thoroughly; I believe He has a very good reason for making it so that we have to depend on Him and reason together.
Kirrily is right; when you think you’re special and the only one(s) that has “the truth”, rather than being humble it seems to have the opposite effect. Who are we to look down our noses at anybody? To think that because we try to follow God’s ways (and conveniently close our eyes to our own faults) that gives us the right to judge others is exactly the kind of pridefulness God despises.
The Bible tells us everything we need to know. Not want to know – need to know. I don’t understand thinking there’s a NEED to have another prophet tell us more than what we already know. The Bible says Jesus is coming back; whether you think He’s coming back anyday, in 2012, or think it should be understood spiritually or metaphorically – just be ready – our lives could end at any moment anyway, so doesn’t it make sense to just be ready?
Whether you believe in the Rapture; or that you’ll have to go thru the tribulation; or that there is no tribulation – Jesus said “Let not your heart be troubled…” If you picked the wrong end time scenario, well, you’ll figure it out pretty quick, and you’ll deal with it – with God’s help. If you feel the need to stock up – do it, that’s your business. On another site I’ve been on, one person was so angry at the idea that someone who didn’t prepare for the tribulation would come knocking at her door that she wanted everyone to know she would not share a crumb with anyone. Personally I’d rather starve than show up at her house. Seriously, though, is this really something we have to get hostile with each other over?
What if I said to you, that volcano in Iceland is going to erupt TOMORROW. If it doesn’t erupt tomorrow, was I telling the truth or a lie? If I said, God told me that volcano in Iceland is going to erupt tomorrow, and it doesn’t, was I telling the truth or a lie? See, if it doesn’t erupt, then I was not telling the truth – but if I said God told me, that makes it even worse, because I also lied about God telling me that.
People, please – do yourselves a favor and don’t believe a false prophet.
People think that not using God’s name in vain means to not swear or cuss, but I think (and this is my opinion) that it means to not state that God told you this or that when in fact, He didn’t. THAT, to me, is using God’s name in vain. There are people who hear voices all the time – and they are diagnosed with schizophrenia. There are people who THINK they hear voices but they’re only listening to their own thoughts. That’s why we are to PROVE all things. To believe what any man says requires proof. Mike here has proven that Ron Weinland is false. He has all the data and links, etc. to prove everything he has stated. On the other hand, Ron Weinland has proven to be a liar, an idolater, a false prophet, insane, delusional, etc, etc. What I believe spiritually or doctrinally is not in question here. That doesn’t matter. I believe that RW is a false prophet. I believe that Mike has proven it. I believe that the God of the New Covenant is not Ron’s God. Therefore, I don’t follow Ron and I never will. I don’t follow ANY man, period. NEVER AGAIN will I follow a man! Plain and simple.
Atrocious
Couldn’t agree more!
IMHO there are only two ways to live in this world…governed by FEAR or lead by and showing forth LOVE.
Atrocious,
Your comment reminded me of how Moses told the Israelites God was mad at them for complaining, when in fact He wasn’t. He was not allowed to go into the Promised Land because of that.
There are serious consequences for claiming to speak for God when you’re not. Some here seem to believe that if you “think” you were speaking for Him, that somehow absolves you; as in, he SINCERELY prophesied falsely. My response is, okay, he was sincerely wrong – so he should repent.
I see it another way; if you’re not 100%, willing to put your life on the line SURE God gave you a prophecy – don’t speak.
Hello Angel,
Very well said. I really appriciate all your points. Yes it is us who give way to confusions, beliving it to be true. But the human mind can not alwys be powerful and make right decisions. I put so much of trust in Ron’s books, and started telling about this( the so called truth) to many of my Muslim friends, and now I look stupid in their eyes. Now they begin to preach that the Bible is not corrected, it is diluted, and God created men only to worship him and there is no more special purpose in humans creation. I have no points to argue with. I agree God is not the author of confusion. After coming to this site and reading many Ideas & opinions, I have decided not to belive in any False Prophets. Also one should not take too much of the religion. Just the two commandments Jesus said (Love of God & Love of fellow human beings) is enough.
But the mind will always will be wandering to find out the truth. Weather the truth could be found or not in a life time is another story.
Hi Kirrily,
I read in the Mahabaratha, an epic in India, that there was 2 charectors (Dharman & Dhuriyodhanan) Both were sent to explore the World. Both gave a different report. Dhuriyodhanan said that the world is very bad. People are not good. But Dharman said the world is very beautiful and the people are very friendly. It is about the different mind sets. But how the mind develops? is it only from Parants? or the situation also has a significant impact on our charector formation? If we stay alone without a group, how can we expect our mind to gather all the intelectual nurishments it needs?
I am also very positive like you. I stay alone in Saudi Arabia for employment, and my family members are in India. But what I am sencing in my experiance, the spontqneous love for the fellow human being is slowly diminishing. I do not see much people I come accross. The hatred, Proud feeling and arrogance are in the increasing trend. That is why we have to look in to religion for peace. But there is more confusion & cheating. Then what an afterall ordinary human could do. What to hope for and what to achive? A sence of lonliness, helplessness and insecurity engulfs the mind. To go togather with the world, looking only for money & worldly pleasures is also not satisfactory.
Though I may not post many things here, as I am not a pundit but an afterall ordinary human, I will continue to read as much as possible. It seems that all the people posting here are in search of the real truth. As Mr.Mike has posted, if you eliminate the strange claims made by Mr.Ron, his teachings are some what better.
Joseph, I didn’t put it that way, I wouldn’t call Weinlandism “better” if it eliminated all the false prophecy. Just less bad. I was just pointing out that the rest of it is Armstrongism with a few variations that is practiced by other groups without as much false prophecy.
For a summary, check out the “Theology” link way, way back on the top of the page on the banner.
Joseph,
The reason I say we will not “have”, as in “understand”, the truth completely in this life is based on my observation that no one seems to have it. The Bible says we see “thru a glass darkly”, that we should reason together, and not to despise those with weaker understanding of the word; this tells me God is very well aware that we have to work hard to understand it and our relationship with Him is not dependent on us having a perfect understanding of it.
I hope your experience with Ron’s books will result in you not putting your trust in books other than the Bible.
“He works with people who humble themselves to listen to him and His 10 commandments. Of which none of you, or me can possibly observe. “
So Skater-Boi Dominic is not a Church of God member, and has clearly been “called” without the benefit of having grown up in a Church of God environment, as his above statement attests. Primarily because, as “the special chosen elect of god” (barf) we DID keep God’s commandments, ALL of them, PERFECTLY, and that’s what set us apart from the world! That was the whole point! Dominic/Skater-Boi/whoever he is, is drinking strictly trinitarian, professing Christian Flavor-Aid with this approach. Which indicates he’s also breaking the 9th commandment, because his story’s changed twice now; first he had a daughter, then he was a skateboarding teenager who spends too much time on the Internet, now he’s a divorcee? Way to “thou shalt not lie”, “Dominic”.
Of course, the professing Christians say they can break God’s Commandments, and as long as they repent (over and over and over and over and over again), they get off scot-free, and can break the commandments as much as they like! That’s not the case in a Church of God group, Dominic, and if you’ve been baptized into the church, that’s REALLY not the case; if you’re baptized and still willfully sinning, you’re basically screwed, that’s it, it’s the Third Resurrection for you, do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to the Lake of Fire.
This was one of the main points of contention, that the professing Christians used in the ’90s, to declare us a cult. Not that it makes any more sense than the “once forgiven, I can sin as much as I like” mentality of the Jesus!Jesus! Christians….I’m just saying that Dominic’s remarks seem to indicate he’s got a professing Christian background, and so can’t really grasp the finer points of Church of God doctrine that should be raising red flags for him. Especially the idea that no one can keep the Top 10 perfectly. Um, hello, Dominic? Over here! Me, born and raised, Worldwide Church of God, never knew anything else. I can guarantee you, 100%, on my life (literally), that before my family fell away, I NEVER broke ONE of the 10 Commandments. Not ONE. I didn’t take the Lord’s name in vain (I even avoided, as we were taught to, using the “filler” words like gosh, gee whiz, etc.), I never lied (Which got me in a lot more trouble than it was worth; I equated tactfulness with deceit, you see.), was never jealous, kept all the health laws, tithed on my allowance (whenever my family was flush enough to give me an allowance; it wasn’t a regular occurrence, let me tell you), gave from that same infrequent allowance to the Holy Day offerings and the special offerings, and whenever the Apostle wrote to us saying “the Work” needed money (Anyone sensing a pattern here?), meaning I was “faithful to God’s government”.
I WAS one of the faithful, Dominic, and anyone who tries to say I was “unconverted” just because my family fell away, makes me see red. I was one of the faithful, and I would have grown up to BE one of the judgemental, arrogant, supercilious, oppressed, thought-terminating faithful…if I hadn’t been told, by Joseph Tkach Sr., in 1994, that my faith, and everything my whole life had been based on up to that point, was completely false.
My long and rambling screed being just to point out, Dominic, Church of God groups are NOT professing Christian in any way, shape, or form. (Matter of fact, I would contend that we were nothing resembling Christianity at all, as professing Christianity just leaves me puzzled and confused.) If you do have a professing Christian background, maybe you should talk to a professing Christian minister; they might be able to better explain the differences in doctrine between Christianity and Church of God groups, and then you can make an informed decision.
As it is, it doesn’t sound like you’re even getting a very good education on Church of God doctrines; but Weinland has changed so much over the years (from unitarianism, right on down), it’s impossible to say whether or not PKG even is one of the “Churches of God” (LOL my mind still boggles every time I have to type those three words) anymore.
Now, before anyone asks, I had a lovely pork shoulder roast for dinner today. Sign me up for the Lake of Fire!
“IF THIS IS TRUE. THIS IS WHAT I DID TO ALL OF YOU! AND I PERSONALLY ASK FOR EVERYONES FORGIVENESS, I FORGOT MY OWN CIVILITY AND MANNERS. (heres what i did)”
Looks like Don Edwards got hold to our boy. They’re still making the members write letters of repentance? Oy vey! Talk about That 70s Show!
“Luckily, much later on I was really blessed to have had a handful of ministers in the last 20 some odd years that I was there who truly changed my perspective of God and Christ.”
Still drinking the Gracie Flavor-Aid? I wouldn’t trust a word that came out of one of those hypocrites’ mouths, personally. They didn’t jump on the bandwagon for Jesus out of any “transformed by truth” schtick, they did it just to save their pensions, after years of working for “god’s church”. Even now, there’s ZERO financial accountability, for 15% from each congregation that gets sent to Headquarters, and the members and ministers still in, are too blindly apathetic, to even realize that they have the freedom to ask what’s happening to that money! (It’s lining Junior’s pockets, is what it’s doing, and until I see documents proving otherwise, I’m going to keep saying that, wherever I see WCG/GCI defended as being “transformed”.) Not to mention the fact that the implementation of trinitarianism is confused at best, and schizophrenic at worst; any given congregation with an “old guard” contingent will still have members that deny trinitarianism, keep all of god’s laws, and are waiting (Still!) for god to “correct his church”). Google “Wallenites” or “God’s Righteous Under Much Persecution” if you don’t believe me. This puts the pastards in the uncomfortable position of having to push the Party politics (the church’s Christian doctrines), but they’re no longer allowed to crack down on anyone who disagrees.
So, you end up getting a lot of people playing at church, and a WHOLE lotta “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” when it comes to the ACTUAL beliefs of church members/ministers. Then, too, there’s a small contingent of professing Christians, who are attracted to the church because it’s part of their “evangelical denomination” (No, I don’t get why the church is saying it’s a denomination now, and at least one minister still in believes the church was ALWAYS a denomination; clearly HE never had to spout the phrase, “We are a non-denominational Judeo-Christian sect” at anybody), but have no clue what the church is or was, or any of its history. I haven’t witnessed any of this “on the ground” in a typical WCG/GCI congregation, but I can just imagine the results must be sheer chaos!
So, yeah, whatmeworry, if you’re still giving your money to Junior…I would advise against it.
“In the end for me, it was the scripture in Deut about the test of a prophet….. which I had conveniently ignored after first timeline failure.
The ministry NEVER ONCE addressed this scripture.
Demonic has done a very good job at stating the INWARD workings of the mind when you are in PKG (again, especially for the newer ones).
Aggie, was this also typical after the many failings in Herbie’s day?”
Sorry, Kirrily, I missed this on the first pass through the 200-something comments, LOL. And I love your misspelling of Dominic LOLOLOL! As for the mindset, yes, it was very typical in Armstrong’s day; I particularly vividly remember a Feast where, for some unknown reason, a professing Christian group got it into their heads that they were going to picket us. Strangely, none of this was addressed from the pulpit, other than to tell us that they had been told not to speak to us or harass us in any way, and that we were to report anyone who did to the head of security…I do remember thinking completely that they were evil, demonic, and Satan trying to attack the Feast (that was always a popular excuse, if anything went wrong getting to/during the Feast), and god’s people, etc.
I’ve got to say, WRT the “failings” in Armstrong’s day, I grew up in the era AFTER “the failings” had occurred, and passed away. Thus, I knew nothing of Garner Ted, save that he would likely be working with the Anti-Christ when Armageddon came, and I knew nothing of “1975 in Prophecy”, until I read a copy of it on the Painful Truth website, ca. 2006. Being born and raised in the church, I had NO (zero, zip, zilch, nada, bupkis) outside information on the church, nor was I allowed access to any….Nor would I, it must be stated, have regarded any of this information, had I come across it, as anything but lies and deception, etcetera. So, yes, very typical of the mindset.
Looking at it from an outside perspective now, it’s easy to see where Armstrong was much more of a false prophet than Weinland (and much more manipulative, as well. Which was why, when I was running Weinland Watch, I never targeted the members specifically, since I knew their minds would be closed to Weinland’s false prophecies, even long AFTER those false prophecies passed away (as witness Dominic and Aaron Robinson, with the anticipated 3rd timeline); I wouldn’t put it past Weinland to finally pull a Herbie and say, “We never set dates, brethren!” Fortunately, there’s ample enough (From the horse’s mouth, yet!) evidence out there that he did, most assuredly, set dates down in stone. Which is more than Armstrong did, the title of “1975 in Prophecy” notwithstanding (although there are some dates mentioned in the brethren and co-worker letters, I couldn’t be bothered to comb through those again), at least Armstrong had a semi-legitimate “we never set dates, brethren” to fall back on, which was ALL I heard, growing up.
I’m thinking it’s likely, on a fortunately much, much, smaller scale, that this is what the few children of PKG members are going to be hearing as they’re growing up, as well. “If by Pentecost [June 8, 2008]” notwithstanding…..
“Why Ron? Why not Pope Benedict?”
Hey, I do my fair share of mocking Ratzi the Nazi too!
“Likewise, the Koran is no match for the Bible which is why no one takes it seriously (other than Muslims, of course). “
Wait wait wait wait, SWEARING is not allowed here, but blatant prejudiced racism and bigotry is?
What am I missing?!
Page 2 says hello! :-O
“Therefore, if the truths are in fact the truths and of God, but Ron is false, then THE TRUE CHURCH MUST BE ANOTHER COG, and NOT PKG.”
And he’s got 700 to choose from! Happy shopping, Dominic!
Racism and bigotry? Come on now, Aggie; give me a break. It’s part my personal opinion and part my observation that I never hear people arguing over or even discussing the Koran. What’s to argue? There’s no prophecy in it, to speak of; it covers a very short period of history; it misquotes the Bible and Muslims can’t produce any evidence for their claim that it’s the Bible that was corrupted – the list goes on and on.
Again, this is my personal opinion; I respect your right to believe in any holy book you like, and I will do the same.
Aggie,
I’d like to point out that you’ve not been shy about expressing your opinion of Christians; you don’t have a problem offending them, but you’re going to get behind Muslims? I realize that’s the PC thing to do these days, and if that’s what you want to do, that’s fine, but let’s not go down the racism road – that has gotten extremely old hat ever since Obama took office.
If you want to be offended because you think the Koran has merit, that’s one thing; but if you don’t really care about it, or are just trying to make this a race issue – then we don’t have anything to discuss.
Oh, I believe that Aggie is an equal opportunity offender, and in any case the Koran is not his holy book.
When it comes to the Bible Vs the Koran, I imagine that they’re equally versatile books. Meaning they can be read any way you want to support any position you want. After all, Islam has its own sects and schisms — ever hear of Sunnis and Shiites? And Wahabi, and I imagine there’s a few more.
Aggie, I believe that Dominic can be a skateboardiing divorced father in his 20′s. Thinking he should have kept it to just skateboarding for awhile longer. As far as the trinity bit, I didn’t read that from whatever he’s posted here and will likely be quite offended at that being that his spiritual idol is down on trinitarianism.
And if Dominic makes his way here to the 2nd page of comments, maybe he’ll respond to my earlier answers to his questions instead of asking more questions assuming that we’re all Ron’s strawmen mainstream Christians.
ummm aggie, i had a daughter at age 19, and I do lead a more active lifestyle then most. I skateboard and raise a daughter. anything wrong with that. it is also apparent you are trying to disprove me and my credibility as a baptized member of Gods church, of which I am.
I told you no lie about myself, and no one has called me bye my first name. Of which I gave you the answer. Are you bitter about something AGGIE? I speak for myself.
Well, Dominic, you never stated your first name. My guess is “Zachary”, but “Dominic” is OK if you prefer that.
Have you visited the “About” page on this blog?
Mike, I apologize for not answering your questions. what were they?
correct mike, it is Zachary. haha, im glad you looked it up. I am surprised you did not give my full name.
anyway, for serious, what were your questions? There is so much to go through on this blog.
and my name is Zach. thanks mike.
Mike I have a serious question.
If nukes go off, followed by WW3, would you listen, or say its just coincidence? honest answr please?
What if th U.S.E actually comes to unite under the Catholic Church? within these two years.
If it’s OK with you, I’ll just continue to call you “Dominic” as that’s more or less the first name you’ve given. A pseudonym is OK here as long as you stick with it.
The questions I basically had related to
(1) Kirrily had some specific questions here on this linked comment I’d like to see you address.
(2) I wondered if you had read any of the other pages on my blog. Even the ones I’ve given you convenient links to (on this blog, hyper links are shown in blue). Since you seem to be overgeneralizing about the people here, including me.
For example, your serious question was effectively answered in my very latest blog post and the one before that.
Aggie, are you like 65?
LOL. No, Aggie isn’t 65 but he does come across rather crotchety sometimes. Can’t fault you on that one.
Okay, people.
Why do you feel that being childish is the best way to get your point across?
I only played my part as a mocker for a short minute. That is not my personality in real life. I love my friends and family regardless of whether they are in Cog-pkg. Their belief is not my “choice”, of which we are all acountable.
Mike I honestly dont even bother to dip my head below the surface of your website. I dont click onto links and I dont surf your site. Not because I dont want to but because chatting one on one with you is much better. It gives me a clear and more “personal” answer. If you can understand that. So please if anyone has a question as to why I belive what I do. My answers are limited and few.
Keep your eyes open people! What I love is that this site will “prove” who Ron is. Mike you think you are discrediting ROn, which you are. but you are bringing to pass the 6th and 7th thunder. They overlap, and the sound rumbles from the east to the west and many will hear these thunders. What i love is the people who hate Rons testimony and witness, will end up loving and believing it.
you people just seek to discredit, but his message, and mikes blog will eventually end up proving Ron is who he says he is.
I love you all and look forward to meeting you one day. We are all given choice, and 1 more chance.
No Dominic, we don’t feel that being childish is a good way to get your point across. It didn’t work very well for you.
I’ve given you some links that relate directly to your questions.
Since you refuse to look at the rest of my blog, your claims that it will fulfill the 6th and 7th thunder is puzzling. My blog is the exact opposite of the 6th thunder. And since I don’t allow extensive theological discussions on my blog, the 7th thunder is out as well.
And in the grand scheme of things, my web traffic is on the order of one pageload per day for each PKG member. Somewhat higher when there’s an event relating to the IRS criminal investigation. Hardly a powerful message to the modern day scattered nations of Israel, is it? (Either side). Survey 100 people at the mall to see how many have heard of God’s end-time witness. Ron …. who?
helpingusoon,
In what way have we been childish? By mocking? Then I guess you were childish, too, even if just for a “short minute”. We have no way to know what your personality is in real life; we can only know how you present yourself on this blog. So if you don’t want us to misjudge you, you should present yourself as you really are.
This site has already proven who Ron is. Most of us are waiting to see if he will ever repent (we’re not holding our breath for that, though), or how many times he will change his timeline and offer excuses for his failed prophecies. You know, he can only keep doing this as long as people let him. If you all would only obey Deut. 18:20-22, he would have no one to preach to and he’d have to go get a real job and start supporting himself instead of leeching off of people like yourself.
In a couple of years, you’ll be poorer, and hopefully, wiser.
Speaking of surveying people at the mall to see how many have heard of Ron made me think about how famous people are always harassed by the paparazzi, and getting their pictures in those gossipy magazines, and I had a mental picture of Ron on the cover of the National Enquirer – that photo of him wearing the beanie with that twirly thing on the top!
Or better yet, on the front page of a competing COG ‘trumpet’ mag in an orange jumpsuit straightjacket, attached to a hanibal lector style trolley carted off by both the FBI and IRS (have I been watching to much CSI lol!!)
In reality though, he will remain anything but famous, and eventually die.
I just read an article, published in a major city earlier this year, about one of the other cult leaders I’ve been following who has already falsely predicted the date of the return of Christ and has set a new date.
It said that he “…lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.”
“That date has not one stitch of biblical authority“, he says. “It‘s like a fairy tale.”
He says he has developed a mathematical system to interpret prophecies hidden within the Good Book. His new date is set for next year.
This is not the first time he has made a bold prediction about Judgment Day.
Several years ago, dozens of his supporters gathered to await the return of Christ, an event he had promised for two years. Followers dressed children in their Sunday best and held Bibles open-faced toward heaven. But the world did not end. He allowed that he may have made a mathematical error.
Duh.
It’s almost comical (if it weren’t so sad) to hear someone who’s predictions have already failed make fun of people who believe the predictions of someone else who’s predictions have failed – ironic, no? Mockery does not exist just on this website.
The worst for me was when Ron essentially mocked us, his followers, when his first timeline failed. THAT was really, really hard to take.
I can only imagine – I was outraged just hearing him say it in his sermon – what colossal nerve!
I’ve had conversations with some of this man’s followers, and they are every bit as fanatical and devoted to him as any of Ron’s. Some were even meaner and nastier than any of Ron’s followers (even Dominic) that I’ve encountered, if you can imagine that. They love to focus on the same stuff these people do; Sunday worship and pagan holidays! And they believe he’s so humble, and that because he offers his books free online, that proves he MUST be doing God’s work in revealing the date of Christ’s return.
His books are boorrriiinnngg (to me, anyway), and filled with extremely complicated mathematical formulas; none of his followers have a good understanding of them or can explain them – but they’re mesmerized by them.
Although he does claim to be the only one teaching the truth, and that God has shown him things He’s not shown to anyone else, he’s not claiming to be one of the Witnesses, or the End Time Elijah.
Angel your comments about Islam could start riots lol…..you know how “very easily” angry they get!
Don’t mention muhammed lol….im just playin with ya
Dominic, you said, “Mike I honestly dont even bother to dip my head below the surface of your website. I dont click onto links and I dont surf your site. Not because I dont want to but because chatting one on one with you is much better. It gives me a clear and more “personal” answer. If you can understand that. So please if anyone has a question as to why I belive what I do. My answers are limited and few.”
First of all, we on this blog aren’t interested in why you believe what you do, because we KNOW why you believe what you do.
You ask questions of Mike about why HE believes what HE does, and he willing gives you the answers that has already been written, through links, but you refuse to read the answers. That shows that you’re not really interested in his answers, you don’t really care why we know Ron is a false prophet, etc.
To me, it feels like you are on here simply to harass and tout your self-righteousness. Well, be that as it may, when all this comes to fruition and you come to realize that you were following an insane, delusional liar, I hope you check yourself in to a good psychiatric facility to help you deal with the betrayal that you will face.
That’s all I have to say to you, Dominic. I will no longer respond to your comments because it’s utterly pointless (and I realize that the questions weren’t directed toward me, anyway. Just giving my thoughts on the matter.) You’re not here to learn. You’re here to try to convince us of something we know isn’t true.
When the time comes, we’ll be here for you.
Steve,
Oh, I know how very easily angry they get; but we’re not supposed to talk about that, right? Theirs is a very peaceful religion, goes the PC spin; only the extremists take the passages that refute that idea seriously.
The plain fact is that in this country we see more and more tolerance toward other world religions, and less and less toward Christianity. Dominic and Mal moan and groan about mockery but what I see is that the real hostility toward any religious group in this country is directed toward Christianity; and evangelical Christians in particular. We are hated by secularists, liberals, spiritualists and cultists alike.
The majority of people in the U.S. don’t know about Armstronism, or Weinland, or most of the other cult leaders; until something like Guyana or Waco happens, they remain tiny little religious groups who think they’re special and that God is only working thru their leader.
Do you notice how people have no problem unapologetically using the name “Jesus” as an expletive, but as you pointed out, we should be careful how we talk about Muhammad? I’ve heard that some schools actually teach about him, and Islam; can you imagine the ruckus that would ensue if someone were to try to talk about Jesus and Christianity in a public school?
I’m not crying about it, as in poor me; I’m simply observing how things are in our culture.
Dominic,
It easy to side step the issues people raise here with respect to Ron. Merely reading those things would undermine your belief in Ron and hence your faith in God – even though they are two separate things and should be treated as such.
Ron will soon have to dump his latest timeline – his claim that Christ returns May 2012. When he does and he will, I am done with him and will close my blog.
Ron will have mistaken the beginning of his Two Witness ministry and declared Christ’s coming incorrectly all while claiming to be God’s End Time prophet, Spokesman Witness, Apostle, End Time Elijah and Zerabubell, with the plumb line in his hand. (I think I got all of his titles. Shew!)
I’m looking forward to the sermon where he has to dump the timeline again. Then, I’m done watching his train wreck of a minisitry.
helpingusoon says:
April 20, 2010 at 00:01
“you people just seek to discredit, but his message, and mikes blog will eventually end up proving Ron is who he says he is.”
Believe it or not, Dominic, but almost everybody on this blog will agree that the last part of your statement is true.
Mike’s blog WILL eventually end up proving Ron is who he says he is.
Even according to Ron’s own words.
Insane Lying False Prophet.
peace
helpingusoon…….this was my first time researching PKG….i have lost my brother and sister in law to this cult. I have feared for months now that i have lost my brother to satan . After reading many of your blogs and your crazy rantings…..i am pretty much convinced that this old cult is the devils doinig. I pray daily and several times daily….that the lord jesus christs leads my brother and sister in law back into his light and feel his love. Let him see how this cult has lead him to break several of the 10 commandments and now has no love in his heart for his father and sisters. i fear he only loves this Ron and PKG. I am saddened that my brother we certainly go to hell if he doesnt repent soon. I now will also add you to my prayers because it is as clear and day …that you are guided my satans hold…God Bless i will pray for all you devil worshipers
Corky,
I’m sorry to hear about your brother and sister-in-law. I share your concern that this cult is not a good thing, and has probably led them to love Ron more than their own family and even God. They don’t recognize the fact that they are not following God because Ron equates himself with God, so in their minds they don’t differentiate between listening to God and listening to Ron – to them it’s the same thing.
I suspect Dominic sees nothing wrong in them idolizing Ron, and turning their backs on family; he’s done the same thing himself. His crazy rantings, which he now passes off as immaturity and putting on an act for a “short moment”, revealed his real feelings, I believe, which gave us some insight into the crop of thoughts Ron has planted in his mind. I had already forgiven him and am not trying to discount his apology; but we all felt that most likely someone in PKG would try to stop or at least reign him in and that might be what happened to cause such an abrupt change in his attitude.
Kirrily has testified that she had a similar attitude and thoughts toward anyone outside of PKG, including her husband. Some of the things Dominic said were things he heard from Ron; I’ve heard him say them in his sermons. Ron says things that plant hatred for others, not love, in people’s hearts; as evidenced by the ranting we heard from Dominic, and that is certainly not from God.
Keep praying for your brother and sister-in-law; that their eyes will be opened to the lies of this false prophet.
“i will pray for all you devil worshipers”
lol
I believe the “devil worshipers” Corky refers to are the PKG members who worship Ron and believe that he speaks for God.
helpingusoon says:
April 12, 2010 at 03:05
You sir are a fool. Satan has a firm hold on your mind. If you had a brain, which it is obvious that you dont, you retards probably observe christmass, easter, and halloween. You probably believe in Santa. I will gladly watch this country burn. Seeing this evil country, and evil world, and you evil people brought to a nuclear end. I laugh at all your pathetic religions and false beliefs, I laugh that you fools dont even read or comprehend scripture. That you fools hold your selves up as Gods and think your smart. And retarded mark needs to do some research on the word Gehenna, and translate hell into its proper context.(hes probably pentecostal) 6 feet under the ground is pretty much what hell means. But you religious, godly people would certainly know that. And you would also be able to understand Jonn 3 vs 13, which even you so called “christians” can understand. You know when Christ plainly states that no man goes to heven except for him. Why do you dummies believe you go to heaven? You wanna go fish? Or see your dear old catholic grandma? I hope you payed your preists to get her into heaven. lol. You are so funny, you dont have anything better too do then too ridicule Gods Prophet? Dont you understand that God only reveals truth through his apostles and prophets. Well i gladly look forward too mocking you ridiculously retarded website, you apparently have no time on your hands. Bye the way. Your retarded. lol, lol, lol.
THIS GUY IS AS SICK AS RON: I CAN’T BELIEVE I WAS IN THE SAME CULT AS THIS SATAN MAN, helpingusoon..(he is not worth to capatalize his name) LISTEN BUDDY YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS HELP..
I AM TELLING YOU GUYS THIS IS WHAT A**hole Ron teaches.. I HOPE YOU PKG FOLLOWERS ARE READING THIS. I THANK GOD I AM OUT OF YOUR CULT!!!
I didn’t read anything else this sick person wrote… he is evil, just like ron. evil, evil, evil, puke, puke, puke, sick, sick , sick…. OH by the way. I learned those words from Ron. Every week same ole crap..
THANK GOD FOR THIS BLOG. IT JUST PROVES WHAT NUTTY PEOPLE THEY ARE IN pkg…..
HELPING US SOON:
Hey! I take offence at what you say. Mike and Atrocious and Helen, etc, are NOT devil worshippers following Satan. They are seekers of truth and have practiced the Biblical teaching of testing and contemplating Biblical wisdom to understand its veracity. They are GOOD people who seek to know a/the REAL God.If you want to hate on someone, hate one ME. I am your TRUE enemy…a proud atheist who completely rejects Yahweh, Jesus as Christ, and the BIble. I’M the guy you should be mad at. You are a typical spineless coward for harassing the innocent, no better than a kindergarten bully.
Want something to actually be mad about, Helpingussoon? I once, over the course of a year, wiped my bottom with the entire Bible (KJV), page by page…
…take that you prancing ninny…
Avalo, this so called “whatever” does not have the right to hate you either. It is FACT what you say you believe or don’t, it is FALSE who this creep thinks we are. Difference is we know who we are. He doesn’t know who he is. Becuase he hasn’t thought for himself or herself and is extremely brainwashed.
They have to be miserable people (PKG) in their own lives, Avalo. I don’t hear any happiness in their lives like we can share on here.
By the way AVAlo, how about changing your toilet paper, just sayin, Charmin is softer?