The Divided Race of Islam

ffinnFalse Prophet Ronald Weinland was in Lubbock today.  Last time he was there, long time members from the local area George Bobo and Wilburn Maeker gave the prayers.  Perhaps they weren’t available for some reason as Ronnie imported Steve Blair from the Dallas area and Ralph Dowd from Cincinnati to give the prayers.  Have George and Wilburn figured out that they were following a false prophet?  I rather expect that unfortunately there’s another explanation.

PDFs of Ron’s publication Newswatch are available for download from the church website’s publication page.  PDFs are also available from this website, follow the “Sermons” link at the top of the page and then look at the bottom of the page.  The difference is that the copies on this website are scans of the publication as originally published including the original banners, and therefore include the original text, while the copies on the PKG website are reformatted.  Since Ron has had sermons revised in the past, it wouldn’t surprise me to find that there are a few revisions to the articles as published on the PKG website in addition to the format changes.

Is there now an eleventh commandment? Thou Shalt Not Throw Paper Towels on the Floor.  And perhaps an upcoming twelfth commandment?  Thou Shalt Not Leave the Toilet Seat Up?

Ron is revising the baptism ceremony.  Given all the other revisions he’s made, it will be interesting to see what they are –  maybe dunking is no longer required and a sprinkle will do. :-D

Ron talked about the race [sic] that’s divided between Sunni and Shia and the strife between the two factions.  He could instead have used Armstrongism which is now divided into hundreds of factions.  The leader of one of the Armstrongite factions has even written a book calling for the deaths of other faction leaders.  Which Armstrongite leader, you ask?  There are pictures of him and the Mrs somewhere on this website.

The same Armstrongite faction leader called for my death 63 weeks ago.  But that was the second time — the first time he called for my death was 98 weeks ago.  These occasions were the first sabbaths of his prophetic timelines, so I expect he’ll be calling for my death yet again on the first sabbath of his third timeline.

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19 Comments

  • jack635 says:

    Perhaps George and Milburn have decided to find another club. I am assuming that most of Ron’s current followers were not members two years ago. Ya gotta be truly dedicated to go through change after change in doctrine and dates, and remain loyal. Especially when these dates are supposed to have been written in stone.

    Ron will have to write another book soon if he wants to keep the charade going, and bringing in fresh recruits to replace those who have had enough of “the Great Pumpkin” no shows.

  • jack635 says:

    And of course the best place to write a book is in a quiet place far from ones normal pace of life.

  • Can't Hold It Any Longer says:

    So let me get this straight. Ron hates people who are so rude as to throw trash and cigarette butts on the ground and really hates those that make it so you fall down thru the toilet seat when it is not returned to the orginal position? Yet, he has no problem with incinerating men, women and children or perhaps having their tongues rot out of their mouths for lack of rain? Maybe the Two Witnesses are really just called to smite litterbugs and standers vs. sitters? Amazing…incredible, it really is brethren…uh..it just makes me mad…:)

  • Whisper says:

    That’s “Witlesses” not “Witnesses”.

    I would gather that it is a closely guarded secret how many of Rons sheeples are of the older “pre-man of perdition” group and how many are the the “post-man of perdition” following.
    If we are talking 300 members total, how many are of the older stature that have been with Ron from the olden days? Any thoughts?

    My next question is just as unanswerable, how often does Rons younger flock turn over? How long is a typical younger sheep’s stay at PKG?
    If it is not long then Rons recruitment must still be going to replace all the MIA’s ay what?

    Go figure.

  • Aggie says:

    So they’re revising the baptism ceremony? What does that even mean? There’s hardly anything to the baptism ceremony as it stands! They dunk you, lay hands on you and pray over you, and you’ve got a clean slate, so long as you don’t sin ever again. “Sin” being breaking the Sabbath and eating unclean meats and not tithing to “god’s church” of course. That other stuff, like jealousy and gossip and hating the worldly…well, that’s just expected, of God’s Chosen People. (Yeah, I’m being sarcastic.) Or are the changes going to be that women will be allowed to baptize? 8-O

  • Aggie says:

    “If we are talking 300 members total, how many are of the older stature that have been with Ron from the olden days? Any thoughts?”

    I would say most of them are, at this point. Odds are very good that most of the young children recruited via the Internet during Timeline One have now happily moved on from the church to other, more normal pursuits of teenaged rebellion.

    That said, I know at one point during 2008, the sibling of an underaged child who was baptized (after the church had specifically stated in its FAQ that it wasn’t doing so), mentioned that the child had a Facebook page, and everyone they were friends with, were young people in the church (PKG) who were getting married and having children while underaged because they wouldn’t have time to later. Such thinking was also prevalent in the church in the early’80s, and I’m positive it was endemic, during the lead-up to “1975 in Prophecy” not panning out. More than likely, these are children of long-time members of the WCG and other splinter groups, however. So, in all honesty, they’ve never had the experience of living their lives outside the “Time is short!” bubble.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Weinland has described the attendance at the 2007 Feast of Tabernacles as 450 including dogs and cats. It is my estimate that very few among those eligible to be sealed as part of the 144,000 joined after that. (The eligible would be those who were baptized WCG members prior to the Tkach’s opening of the 1st seal on Dec 17, 1994.)

    As of the 2007 FOT, Weinland’s group included a number of ineligible people, such as younger people baptized later than 1994 including Weinland’s own children. So my estimate is that the number of “sealed” members of PKG is somewhere around 175.

    But the cohort of the sealed is steadily decreasing, as the older people die off. During this weekend’s sermon, Weinland announced the death of one of those long-time members from Texas and there was one from Illinois who died a few weeks ago. As will all of them before Jesus Christ returns.

  • Steve says:

    I’d like to see Ron go preach in an Islamic country like Iran,…we will see how much divine protection he has then. Muslims would eat that fool for breakfast

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I agree with Steve. In particular, I’d like to see him go to Pakistan where his books are banned and there are legal actions pending.

  • J says:

    No need to ban them. There’s so much unintentional humor to be found in those, especially as time goes on.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Interesting point. When Pakistan banned Ron’s books a couple of years ago, there was a survey on the Ironwolf Forum as to whether banning his books should happen. In that haven of “rabid Weinland haters” full of “vile hatred”, the survey results were overwhelming that they shouldn’t be banned.

    I thought that they shouldn’t be banned, but like porn should be kept out of the hands of youngsters.

    It’s interesting that you can see the humor in them given the situation with your mother. Sometimes we have to inject humor to deal with difficult situations.

  • GD says:

    Thats the problem -if they choose to follow him thats their insane right -but my 8 year old daughter has now been brainwashed and now “believes in ronald weinland” and my 4 year old son has to obey his high religious demands !

  • matt says:

    We are really getting down to the difficult bits of freedom of religion. Are you allowed to indoctrinate young children with the tenets of a cult? If you put it like that, people want to say no. But then we are also talking about banning sunday schools, cathegism, bar mitswahs, circumcision and bringing children to church of a sunday morning.

    So we only ban the indoctrination of non-mainstream religions? Then who choses what is mainsteam and what is not?

    So for now I see no honest alternative than to allow people the freedom to indoctrinate children, even in a potentially harmful cult as Weinlandism.

    It is not a compromise I am comfortable with, but I see no way around it, bar banning all religious instruction to the underaged.

  • Whisper says:

    When you get down to the bottom line the sad truth is some will be lost to cults and crazy religions. Lost in spirit, lost in mind, and lost financially.
    In an effort to be fair and promote freedom we human beings allow some truely horrible things that if we curtailed them would in effect disrupt yet further freedoms. It’s like a train, all locked togethor but made up of many different rail cars. Its not so easy to disconnect one without disconnecting others.
    The good news, IMO, is that our limited ability to tend to these issues is not the full story. God has an infinate ability to tend to these issues and make them right even though we can not. But the hitch is that one must look at the long road in Gods grace and justice. The short road is mans attempt to settle these issues. The Long road is Gods attempt to settle these issues.
    If infinate love exists in an infinately powerful God then there will be no losses in the long run.
    Paradoxacly this includes Ron and his wife, but I for one would rather God save Ron, even after all the damage he does, then allow all the poor souls following him to also fail.

    Go figure?

  • RK says:

    matt says:
    March 8, 2010 at 04:53
    “We are really getting down to the difficult bits of freedom of religion.”

    Matt’s entire comment is saying quite a bit. And there’s a lot of things about freedom of religion in this country that make me uncomfortable as well, like the indoctrination of children.

    It’s too bad that, when someone like RW claims to speak for God, and the prophesy doesn’t come to pass, and it’s all well documented, like in RW’s case, they can’t be put on some kind of list. How about a U.S. Government official list of phony prophets, who have been proven to be phony by their own writings.

    Much in the same way that the government advises Americans not to visit certain countries. They don’t stop them, but they do issue warnings.

    RW would be on the list of phonies, and so there’s a warning to “tithe at your own risk”, or “become a member at your own risk.”

    Just wishful thinking.

  • Aggie says:

    ” banning all religious instruction to the underaged”

    Nothing wrong with that solution, IMO; of course, we were always told (and told the worldly) that we had “the gift of free will” and could leave God’s church any time we wanted to (Yeah, sure, and I’ve a lovely bridge to sell you.); thing of it is, we would then turn that around on ourselves and ask, well, why would you want to leave God’s True Church?

    Speaking of childhood indoctrination; if I’ve said it a thousand times, I’ll say it a thousand times more: If the changes had not happened, I would right now be a baptized, faithful, services-attending, tithes-paying, hymn-singing, unclean-meat-eschewing, fully-believing member of the Worldwide Church of God. And I would see no problem with that. In fact, I would probably be even more judgemental and critical, then I was as a (precocious) fully-indoctrinated child.

    So, that is one good thing that came out of the changes: I had the religious blinders ripped off, all in one fell swoop. Unfortunately I didn’t fall out on the side the church wanted me to, but that’s really the point, isn’t it? All religions are false, including “God’s True Church”, since it doesn’t exist anymore (and neither does its god). None of the splinter groups, not Meredith’s, not Flurry’s, Pack’s, Hume’s, Dart’s, Havir’s, Ritenbaugh’s, or any of the other 700+, are “the true church”. Not even Weinland’s group is “the true church”, because THE true church is long, long gone, dead, buried and eulogized on December 17, 1994. Those of who did believe in the one true church were told we were “spiritually illiterate”, and basically, morons, for living all of our lives in faithful and loving service to a tyrannical, unjust god. And really, just how unjust that god was, depended entirely upon how unjust each individual member (or head of the household) made him.

    In all honesty, it wasn’t the Armstrongist binitarian god that was the true evil in the church, nor was it the practices and procedures that the church followed (with the exception of the Levitical priesthood/governmental hierarchy; that was pure, undistilled evil, and preyed on the tin-plated little despots’ delusions of grandeur and authoritarianism). No matter what the trinitarian Christians try to blather on about, the beliefs were not, inherently in and of themselves, evil; it was the application of those beliefs, and how we lived out our lives communally (communally from a psychological standpoint, that is), isolating ourselves by choice — because we were convinced that was the only right choice to make.

    Most members (especially those who had previous experiences with actual Christianity), tended to take these things with a grain of salt, and not take them to extremes. For the rest of us born and raised in WCG, we were literally left in the dark, and all we knew was the church AS “the one true church”. Which is why the 2nd-gener’s (the faithful ones, at least, the ones who really did drink the Kool-Aid), were so effective at policing ourselves, and others, in our congregations. I shudder to think of what things would be like inside WCG now, if the changes had never come, and I and others like me, were the main demographic of the church. Sure, we would still have Feast sites with 10K+ attendance, and we would have the seven annual Sabbaths and the potlucks and the socials and the bible studies and the “family fun days”, and we would know exactly where we were going, and where we were meant to be….

    But we wouldn’t be able to appreciate all the things that we have discovered since, in “the world”; for (as the poem tells us) “the world” is not a filthy, disgusting place, full of pestilence, famine, and disease (as the church taught us); it’s just a different place. From where we were, and where we were meant to be. Holland has windmills. Holland has Rembrandts. Holland even has tulips. And if we can’t see the things that are beautiful and good and right and wonderful in this world…we may never be free, of the world we are from.

  • Baywolfe says:

    I completely agree with Aggie’s comments.

    And, every child is indoctrinated in their parent’s beliefs, whether they attend church or not. Look at skinheads, at welfare families, at crack head families, at middle-class blue collar working families. Hell, look at the KENNEDYs.

    The only difference is that one group tells children that “god ordains you believe this.”

  • Dennis says:

    Aggie…those were beautifully stated perspectives. Had there been no explosion, I believe I also would be still in the very comfortable meme of practicing the true practices and knowing the true meanings. I always suppressed my questions and individuality for the “truth.”

  • Aggie says:

    Thanks Den (and Baywolfe). Fortunately for you, Dennis, you HAD questions, and individuality to suppress, that were in place before the church came along.

    For those of us born-and-raised, we simply don’t have pre-cult personalities to go back to. Which is why I’ve always likened it to a chronic illness; some days are better than others, some flare-ups are milder than others. Some effects are still unnoticed (at least by me), and probably will continue to be so.