Gaoled Geek Greg

Information has reached me that Greg, an elder who went on Ron’s payroll early in 2008, has been put in jail for non-payment of child support.  Greg gave up a well paying job to manage Ron’s computer systems,  and it seems that didn’t set very well with Greg’s wife who doesn’t drink Ron’s Flavor Aid, hence the child support.  I wonder how difficult Greg’s job can be, particularly since Ron has cut way back on Google advertising.  My impression was that Jeremy was the one who from Germany manages the church websites hosted in Switzerland.

Ron talks big on family.  I wonder if he pays Greg enough to cover his living expenses including child support for his children.  Seems that he wasn’t paying Wayne Matthews that much besides all the Flavor Aid he could drink, as Wayne was looking for a job to replace that which he gave up just before the first great tribulation.  I wonder if Jeremy is on the church payroll, as he has enough money to be able to travel overseas for personal pleasure.

From other accounts, Greg is a well-mannered young man who deals with adversity with equanimity, adversity of the type that gets Ron hot under the collar.  But Greg appears to be caught between a False Prophet and a hard place.  With Greg out of the picture, who will train all the new elders on how to use the Elders Management Console program?  Who will set them up with church email addresses?  How will they be prepared to deal with the 100s and 1000s each will have to manage when the trumpets finally sound?  Or has Ron bailed him out of jail so he could take care of all the new elders this weekend?  Inquiring minds want to know.

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42 Comments

  • Whisper says:

    Very sad, yet another person soaked in Rons vitriol of delusion who gave up good prosperity to follow a false prophet who only does it for the $$ and the kickes of being important. When all is said and done and Ron splits from his sheeple he has built up enough $$ for a comfortable retirement with the miss’s, but the contributers sink into poverty and go to jail.

    Go figure?

    Very sad…

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    I feel sorry for the wife and kids. I am sure that Wayne told me they did not take any type of wage, or even re-couped expenses, such as when they flew up here for visits. Maybe that’s different now though….

  • Aggie says:

    Back when I was running the WW, an anonymous source passed along the interesting hearsay that PKG elder Sam Q, while he was a deacon in my source’s WCG congregation, actually went to jail for some type of fraud, possibly to do with real estate. Sam allegedly told church members at the time that he had fallen in with a bad influence, and that he was blameless (but of course), but that makes two PKG elders that we know of (now), with criminal records.

    Vain men are they/Delighting in craft!
    Their lips they bless with/But they curse inwardly.
    Low men or high/both are less than a breath,
    Trust and rely not/On extortion and gain

    Any wonder Weinland doesn’t have the church members sing hymns…..

  • Aggie says:

    And, in other, completely unrelated news, the Sixth Seal has been opened. Yes, AGAIN. That makes it 0 for 3 now, doesn’t it? (For the sarcasm-impaired, that link goes to a spoof article (satirical in nature) about Sarah Palin on The Onion, a political/current affairs comedy website.)

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’m not too sure that non-payment of child support is a criminal manner. This might not make Greg a criminal even though he went to jail. Guessing that all it takes is catching up on his child support. If so, I wonder if Ron helped out. Maybe if he was desperate to get his new elders trained this weekend.

    Also trimmed Sam’s name a bit. Would like a bit more confirmation of that before someone Googling his name ends up on my blog and reads that bit.

  • Mal says:

    Hey guys – I would be interested to know how you see RW’s second timeline? Do you see it purely as additional evidence of him being a false prophet ?

    Personally, I find his second timeline quite thought provoking.

    Have a serious think about the order in which things were ‘revealed’ to Ron.

    First, he was instructed to write a book entitled ‘2008 God’s Final Witness’. Note that the year was not to be 2007, or 2009 or 2010 but specifically 2008. Then he comes out with his first timeline.

    I can remember in one of his sermons in early 2008 that he said he was surprised because God had definitely given him 2008 as the year for ‘final witness’, but God had not provided a numerical link with His Festivals and the timespans in Daniel 12. However, since God had given him the specific year of 2008 he had no choice but to go along with it. So he produced the first timeline by working back 1335 days from Trumpets 2011 (Trumpets was assumed by most people who study God’s Festivals to be the one on which Christ would return). This gave him his first date in Feb 2008 for the countdown to Christ’s return, and the sealing of the initial 144,000 who would be glorified at His return.

    Then in mid 2008 God ‘corrected him’ and told him that Jesus would not return on Trumpets as assumed, but Trumpets 2008 would ANNOUNCE the countdown of 1335 days to Jesus’ return.

    From Trumpets 2008 to Pentecost 2012 is EXACTLY 1335 days, and so there is revealed the link with Daniel 12.

    The thing I find interesting is that RW did not FIRST find this numerical tie up and THEN announce 2008, it came the other way round. God ‘gave him’ the year 2008 FIRST before he could see any tie up with 1335. It was only later that he saw the tie up with 1335.

    The mathematical probability of matching the year 2008 with the timespan of 1335 days and God’s Festivals of Trumpets and Pentecost is approx 18:1 against, which is pretty long odds to happen by chance.

    Would it make sense that the announcement of Christ’s return would be given on Trumpets and His return would be at Pentecost ? I believe ‘yes’. It makes sense that the Festival of Trumpets would announce the start of the succession of seven trumpets. Pentecost makes sense too, because that is when two loaves with leaven were brought before the Lord representing the 144,000 imperfect human beings who return with Christ. Christ Himself was totally unleavened and fulfilled the Festival of Firstfruits.

    That is only part of the story. There are several more links which all revolve round the number 280 (40 x 7) which RW has been ‘shown’. I have checked and found that 2008 is the ONLY year all these numbers fit the way they do AT LEAST UNTIL THE END OF THIS CENTURY.

    So to my mind, the second timeline makes things more interesting, and not the other way round.

    What are your thoughts on this?

    Do you see the numerical tie up with 1335 occurring purely by coincidence, even though the odds are 18:1 against ? What about the other links he has come up with associated with the number 280 ? Seems odd that this strangely fits with the 280 (40 x 7) ‘judgement’ of Joseph Tkach ?

    Do you see the Satanic powers as manipulating these numerical fits and planting them in RW’s mind ?

    Are you not even prepared to give any of this any consideration whatsoever ?

    It is certainly my belief that he absolutely believes God has given him these dates and numerical fits. In which case, he himself could be the victim of deception, but that does not mean he is deliberately setting out to deceive his church as most of you claim.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Hi Mal,

    As I was a member of his church for some time, I remember that Ron told us on many occasions, as well as sermons, interviews, as well as his book that GOD gave him the timing. This INCLUDES the first timeline (which was false).

    Ron stated many times, as is recorded, that if nothing happened as was GIVEN by God, he would declare himself a false prophet.

    Ron has made a petition of God, to PROVE Ronnie is who he said he is, by way of killing off rival ministers (which was meant to occur BEFORE the opening of the 7th seal – for the second time).

    If it makes sense that God would PROVE his end time witness by GIVING him a FALSE first timeline, make Ron write MANY false things in his book (as outlined by Mike on this blog), and letting another COG work out the second timeline BEFORE gods end time witness, then I think you need to examine your logic.

    Dates this, dates that – blah, blah, blah.

    What makes Ronnie different to any other ‘prophet’ that has ever existed? NOTHING.

    Ron stated in his book that NOW was the time God himself would begin to reveal Himself, and prove that Ron was who he said he was, by ensuring that EVERYTHING that Ronnie said and wrote coming to pass EXACTLY as he said. What’s more that the TIMING is the very VALIDATION of the truth.

    The purpose? So the WORLD would know who to listen to, who to believe in this world full of relegious confusion.

    Everything about Ron now, after ALL his failures is confusing. The purpose has changed, the timings have changed, his jobs have been added to, NOTHING god GAVE him has happened.

    Who is the author of confusion again????

  • The mathematical probability of matching the year 2008 with the timespan of 1335 days and God’s Festivals of Trumpets and Pentecost is approx 18:1 against, which is pretty long odds to happen by chance.

    Maybe the odds for Trumpets to Pentecost is around 1 in 18, but what about the odds of any holy day to any other significant day? After all, Ron has shown in the past that he will happily wedge a Biblical span of time into any significant events he can think of. I’m sure he could have found three more “tie ups” to 2008 if he had to.

  • M. T. Hall says:

    Wait til Ron and all the prophetic COGs find out that Daniel was written in the second century BCE and not any earlier, that it was a Jewish book meant to encourage the Jews during the terror of the Maccabean wars and that Revelation, a Daniel knock off, was a failed Jewish Christian prophecy that failed on October 8th, 70 when the Romans won. Daniel seems so accurate because it was written after all the facts it alledges to fore tell . All the times, days and so on simply are failed prophecies and not future events. Daniel and Revelation become vague when they really try to fore tell the future, which they can’t and did so miserably fail to do.

  • Mal says:

    Sorry, but I don’t think that casting doubt on the authority of the Biblical books of Daniel and Revelation is a good answer.

    Jesus clearly validated Daniel as a prophet (Matt 24:15 & Mar 13:14), and that’s good enough for me.

  • Dave says:

    “Jesus clearly validated Daniel as a prophet (Matt 24:15 & Mar 13:14), and that’s good enough for me.”
    Fair reply Mal

  • jack635 says:

    Mal: Hey guys – I would be interested to know how you see RW’s second timeline?

    I see RW’s second timeline the same way I see RW’s first timeline. Failure. Untrue. Unholy.

    The recorded testimony of Jesus Christ of Nazareth exposes Ronald Weinland for what he is. It is written in black and white, and no amount of words out of RW’s mouth will change all the bibles in the world.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    What do I think about RW’s second timeline? Since you look for biblical answers, here it is:

    2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    Weinland is without a biblical basis for his “280 days” doctrine, he just made it up with an emphasis on his interpretation of the Hebrew word for “signs”.
    His own book, 2008 GFW says Page 4, 1st full paragraph:

    The proof of the validity of my first book, and now this one, is in the timing and the destruction that follows, exactly as both books describe.

    Read the last page of 2008 GFW, and don’t answer with any of Ron’s lame excuses about delayed timelines, or any of his twisted interpretations of his own words. Either the US is occupied by a foreign power or it isn’t.

    Your premise is that God gave Weinland only the year 2008, and then he assumed that Christ would return on the Feast of Trumpets next year. Here’s a biblical answer:

    Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
    Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
    Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    The Son of Perdition Ronald Weinland presumed to give voice to his assumptions as though God had given it to him. No do-overs, no take backs, when you speak something in the name of the LORD. It remains to be seen how long it will be before God carries out the death sentence for which Ron qualified himself.

  • Mal says:

    I respect your answers and I can see where you’re coming from.

    However, the numerical links he has come up with are not particularly haphazard. There is a pattern to them as can be seen in the timeline chart he has placed on his website. If he is false, I would tend to think he has been the victim of a strong satanic deception.

    One of the earliest ‘signs’ for him was the early death of Joseph Tkach, apparently 40 Sabbaths to the day (40 x 7 = 280), after his speech that tore down the doctrines of HWA (including that the Sabbath and Leviticus Holy Days were no longer important).

    You speak about death sentences. If what Joseph Tkach did was Godly and right in the Lord’s eyes, I ask myself why the Lord would allow the early death of a servant of His to die, and also that his death would be so precisely 40 Sabbaths later ? It is well known that God uses various specific numbers in Scripture and that 40 is the number for ‘judgement’.

  • Dill Weed says:

    The have been many persons who saw patterns in scripture leading them to predict things, JWs were notoruis for this. The test has always been to wait and see… even when the one making predictions ‘performs signs and wonders’.

    Ron sermons produce sighs and wondering on the part of a listener if they have ever been so bored in their life. I know because I listen. While Ron does talk about scripture, he doesn’t show any particular mastery or skill speaking.

    Time will be Ron’s undoing…

    Tick Tock

    Dill Weed

  • Steve says:

    Mal Ron is not the only one to come up with these timelines. A number of groups come up with “similar” timelines. I came across a website at the time of the first timeline and i was shocked to see that this guys site was sayin “exactly” what Ron was sayin…he had the time line exactly like Rons but he was not affiliated with him in any way…..all he did was listen to the 1335 days and 1260 and all that (which is prophecied in the bible)… and he worked it out for himself….he never claimed to be a prophet or anythin….he said it “may not start (tribulation) in 2008 but ron definately said its a definite yes. Anyway clearly if God was revealin it to ron (which he didnt), why would he reveal it to this guy also….it doesnt take divine intervention to figure a timeline out that is already written in the bible…someone on here revealed the 2nd timeline before ron even announced it so right there is evidence there is nothin divine about rons “messages”.
    I wish i could remember the guys website. If i remember right it was a subdomain websit…pretty basic lookin but thats all i remember.
    Considering you sound like you must be a Christian….remember the scripture that says “God is not the author of confusion”…….if a true prophet were really sent, he would leave no doubt in people’s minds…no doubt whatsoever …if this “prophet” keeps changin timelines, contradicting himself countless times, literally lying etc….if ron is still a prophet sent by God?…….then God is by definition “confusion”….no 2 ways about it and thus contradicts scripture which from your point of view/belief “should” clearly say that anythin that contradicts scripture, should be discarded and stayed well away from……..think about it

  • Daniel says:

    I can’t believe I ordered his book for 12 bucks on chapters.ca. first i realize that the book is available to read for free. then i realize none of these things came true and he is a false prophet. i want my 12 bucks back, and if I run into Ronald Weinland I will mug him for it lol.

  • Whisper says:

    Mal

    You make a logical deduction for the “numbers” that Ron has given but Kirrily (post directly above) tells the larger tale. The tale of oh so man failures by Ron when Ron himself states that God gave him the direct revelations that he related in book, in serman, in interview, and in posted notes on his website. This is important so allow me please to repeat “God gave Ron this direct revelation” and it did NOT happen. That tends to throw up red flags where I come from. God can not be wrong, yet Gods “Direct Revelations” to Ron did not come true, did not happen in the order given, and that as Ron himself states, is the very PROOF that he wants many to believe in. The proof that Rons God inspired revelations will not only happen EXACTLY (Ron’s word) as written and spoken but will happen in EXACTLY in the order and TIMING that Ron gave per Gods direct Revelation to Ron.

    In the end if you are gaining DIRECT revelation from GOD himself then there can be NO ERROR’s. So if one states that God gave a revelation directly to oneself and it does not come TRUE, then in fact the revelation never happened an the speaker made it up entirely. Enter Ron Weinland, so many spoken revelations, so few results. So few in fact that he finally drops the whole “Witness and Prophet” schtik and turns over to Apostle and End Time Elijah.

    2008 was and abject failure, even Ron has now stated that his vaunted “Thunders” where no real but mere trip wires to fool the un-faithful. But hey, in Rons world his God flat out lies to fool the un-faithful, then why would Ron not do the same? Author of confusion? You make the call.

    Go figure?

  • Steve says:

    To the one and the perhaps same person…Darius Washington, Aaron Robinson, (Ronald Weinland?)…any”who”…i replied to your love thy neighbour/enemy, walk all over me, put a “kick me” sign on my back tripe (that is the total opposite of “real” Christianity)…i replied to it in the other post you posted on on another page. Do not try to pacify the other Christians out there or indeed feminise the “real” men out there….i am thankful i am not chained to religion anymore and posts like yours (Aaron/Darius (ron?) only serve to re-enforce my appreciation, as i do not have to deal with your kind anymore and the dweeby christians who subscribe to this deliberately twisted scriptural nonsense of “if he kicks your ass on the right cheek, turn to him the left ass cheek also for it is better that you let your brother die and suffer, allowing “evil men to mupltiply like wildfire”, than to hate your enemy and actually protect your brother (book of pansies, chapter “101” in the subtitled chapter of “how to be a coward and do it with style” (no offence to any christians who are practical and yes LOVING Christians.)
    If you read my other post you will notice i am not going off topic…i am encompassing the “broader” meaning of love thy neighbour/enemy as you so often like to preach about and warp….in other words the Christians you accuse of not being Christian on here is completely fraudulent as they are saved by “faith”, not works which in other words means literally as long as they are “trying” to follow christ in the way they think is right, they will be saved…try to not sin etc..its that simple …..it is NOT if they are simply not followin the bible the way YOU think they should or literally noone is a christian by your logic and is the reason there r hundreds if not thousands of denominations out there all believing dif on dif scriptures……so again your argument is completely fraudulent….so i am wonderin what you would do concerning a “real” scenario of a test of love….not just in the scenario you gave…and yes “all” scenarios of this scripture count…one can’t dismiss a scenario such as defending literally a friend just because they think they will never be in that type of situation….thats not practical or logical and to suggest you dont need to deal with it is sayin your God is not logical and has flaws and has not thought about it himself.
    My example of how love thy enemy is an extreme one i guess you could say, but a realistic one all the same….just like it doesnt apply to my scenario, it also doesnt apply to your scenario for people like ron deserve to be ridiculed as it serves a greater purpose or helping people escape from his deceptive clutches….it matters not whether he (ron) is a real christian or not…what matters is that he is commiting a great evil by being a false prophet and taking tons of money ruining people financially and indeed in the family sense too by seperating couples etc….all for his own ends/ego…and boy does he have an ego.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    As a note to clarify Steve’s comment, I deleted the comment to which he responded. I don’t appreciate preaching. I don’t appreciate overly long comments taking over the discussion here. Nor do I care for his insults, but those I can tolerate considering the source.

    And I really, really don’t appreciate the identity crisis that Aaron Robinson/Darius Washington is having here on my blog. Aaron is welcome to post long comments on his own blog, The Weinland Witness.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I will repost part of Aaron’s comment here for context, and also to respond directly.

    I would first like to say that it seems like many people whom post onto this web-site aren’t even trying to believe and follow the Bible, or Jesus Christ, or God, and Mr. Weinland being a false-prophet would be no excuse for this. Firstly, if any of you were the pastor or elder in a church, would you just sit on back and take the punches of people invading your privacy this like ? This might be one thing if this ONLY involved a married couple and nobody else (and even then it is their own personal business as child-support is a very private thing that should not just be divulged just as if it were a juicy piece of Hollywood gossip. Kids are involved in this, so why are we invading their privacy like this, just because he is an elder in a church that claims to be God’s Church ? I don’t think that God would want us to talk about something like this especially since it involves innocent children in this. I understand why this is being done though, because many of you want nothing more than to expose anything and everything possible that would work to destroy a man’s life, false prophet or not. The validity of somebody’s prophethood makes no difference when it comes to how we are to be treating other human-beings. If you disagree with this, then I guess that thia would make Jesus Christ a liar when he said that we are to love even our enemies, and this would include people like Ronald Weinland, the Obamas, the Bushes, the Clintons, and even Osama bin Laden. Many people would consider loving Osama bin Laden to be un-American and even terroristic, but if you are touting following Jesus Christ, then you should be conducting yourself just as Jesus Christ taught us to be doing so. If Ronald Weinland is a false prophet, this still makes no difference because love is love, and the kind of love that Jesus Christ wants for us to have is a self-sacrificing love, and not just only loving the people that make you feel comfortable. Didn’t Jesus Christ love even his mortal enemies that wanted to see him be killed ?

    Aaron, you ignorant slut!!! “Think of the children” my @$$. What about the puppies and kittens too? Where in my post did I give the names of the children, their address, etc? How did I invade their privacy?

    What hypocrisy. A specious charge of privacy invasion, no mention of the children derived of financial support because their father is drinking Ron’s Flavor Aid.

    And yet more hypocrisy. All this “love thy enemy” crap, but no mention of the death curses that Weinland issued not once, but twice.

    But what can we reasonably expect with someone so deluded as to follow Weinland’s wacky nonsense?

    Aaron, if you have a response, keep it short and to the point and don’t unload the rest of your garbage pail in your response. Also, post it as Aaron Robinson.

  • Dill Weed says:

    I just want everyone to know that I like Dill pickles.

    PS… and pickles should not be sweet. Period. : P

    Dill Weed

  • matt says:

    Mal’s response reminds of all the talk about the pyramids having been built to mystically significant measurements, which align precisely to some of the distances between planets and certain stars – measurements the ancient egyptians could not possibly have known. This has led people to believe in all kinds of things – Altlantean refugees with special knowledge, aliens starting off advanced civilisation in Egypt – etc etc etc.

    Then a mathematician came along and demonstrated he could argue the same case about the dimensions of his local MacDonalds. By cleverly manipulating the numbers with the end-result already in the back of his mind, he demonstrated that his local chipper was an exact representation of the distances between the moon, the sun and Aplha Centauri. Does this mean that MacDonalds is building mystically significant buildings to tap intpo the power of the cosmos in a world-wide plot to rule the world? Actually, now that I think about it, it becomes eerily possible…

    In all seriousness, if you stare at numbers hard enough for long enough, you can find all kinds of things. For instance – google the numerological predictions found in Moby Dick – there are hundreds of them, and they include the 9-11 attacks and the election of Obama. Does this mean that Moby Dick is a prophetic book? No! It just means that if you WANT to find something, and are prepared to spend enough time to come up with a system of ordering your material, you can come up with a system that produces the results you require. Human beings have a natural talent for organising random data into systems.

    The only useful result is that it will give you an insight into what you WANT to find, and therefor into your psychological make-up. Apparently, Ronald wants to be a Prophet (for the profit, i presonally think) and he wants the end-times to come. Either seems to me to indicate megalomania, and an unhealthy disregard for life, the world, and humanity at large.

  • matt says:

    One of the tools in any cult-leaders tool-kit is double-speak. A private language that concerns only the cult, and generally serves 2 purposes:

    1: To use loaded language to make it harder to criticise the Cult or its leadership. Here we have some interesting examples – Following the Bible = doing what ron tells you. Following Jezus = seeing things rons way. There must be loads more. I have seen mention of The Work?

    2: To distance the cult followers slightly from the mainstream, as non-cult members will find it harder to understand what the follower is talking about.

    The double-speak is one of the many ways in which the irrational parts of the cults creed is obscured.

    Another tool is circle-reasoning. Aarons little piece there is a prime example. Ronald is a prophet, because God said so. We know this, because Ron told us. God is always right. So, if Ron is instructed by god, he is automatically right. So anything that goes against Ron is bad, and also against God, Jezus, and moms apple pie.

    Thus – commenting that following Ron (and giving him 10% of his income) may have led a man to be unable to pay his childsupport (although he may just have been unwilling – we dont know the situation) is very bad, and against Jezus, and in direct conflict with the “love thy neighbor” rule.

    However, death-curses are perfectly fine. Because they come from Ron, and therefor from god, and are therefor automatically right.

    The circle is – Ron gets his views from God. We know this, because Ron said so, and he gets his views from God.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Matt – LMAO!!!! That just pictures it perfectly.

    Also, in relation to what you said in your other post just above, you can find what you are looking for – in anything. Also I would say I certainly joined because although I didn’t realise it at the time, I did want the end times to come.

    I always wanted to be on God’s side – always wanted to know the truth and not to be ‘one of the decieved’. When Ronnie’s books came along, I thought for sure I had found it. There it is, the mindset I had at the time – I led myself astray…

    I was one of those kids who asked a million questions about EVERYTHING. Always wanted knowledge. You know what? Now (as far as religion goes, and God himself for that matter) – I just don’t ask any questions. It’s not like I don’t care, it’s just that I have accepted that there are NO ANSWERS. Nothing logical, nothing tangible – period.

    I see the world around me, both the beauty and the horror. It can’t be explained. Polar opposites. A beautiful dolphin, a little puppy, babies on the one hand – then thousands of people and animals killed in an earthquake, murders, rapists and torturers and war on the other.

    No answers – so I have stopped asking those types of questions.

    I believe there is a God – as to what he wants, what the caper is, the why’s, the when’s and the how’s – well, all I can say is ‘Wot Eva’. Lol.

    I tell you this, since I have stopped answering these questions, I am so much more peaceful inside my mind and heart. I am beginning to understand this ‘faith’ thing now though, is that you believe what you believe, and you have FAITH in it – that whatever happens in life and afterwards, it will all be OK. And I do believe that, now, with all my heart. Is it right? Is it wrong? Who knows, and I don’t care. But I believe it because it suits me just fine, and it makes me happy.

  • matt says:

    Kirrily – I disagree. You didn’t lead yourself astray – you were led astray, bit by bit, on purpose, by someone who sought to gain money and power from it. Weinlandism is a cult designed to fool honest people. Your only mistake was to honestly engage with them and expect honesty in return.

  • Aggie says:

    “What are your thoughts on this?”

    See here.

  • Aggie says:

    Or, if you don’t want to squint at the screen-capture from Weinland’s website during timeline one, see here.

  • Aggie says:

    “Ron stated many times, as is recorded, that if nothing happened as was GIVEN by God, he would declare himself a false prophet.”

    Correct. Weinland stated himself that, if by June 8, 2008, there had not been “great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life, then [he] will stop preaching.”

    Clearly, if nothing else, Weinland is NOT “true to his word in this”, even though he insisted (in 2008) that he would be.

  • Aggie says:

    “If he is false, I would tend to think he has been the victim of a strong satanic deception.”

    You know, I’ve thought from the beginning, that the Two Witlesses might try and use that excuse as their “get out of Hell free” card. Beats having to plead insanity, I guess.

  • Aggie says:

    “You speak about death sentences. If what Joseph Tkach did was Godly and right in the Lord’s eyes, I ask myself why the Lord would allow the early death of a servant of His to die, and also that his death would be so precisely 40 Sabbaths later ?”

    It was the last gasp of a dying god that doesn’t exist anymore. Or, at least, a God that doesn’t exist here When the church abandoned its God, the parallel universe we were trapped in imploded, and the God that existed in that universe went Poof! right along with it.

    We, none of us, can go “home” again. And that’s a very good thing.

  • Aggie says:

    Wait, wait, wait, you mean WeinlandWitness is onboard for Timeline THREE?? After denouncing the False Witless for Timeline Two?

    What the f$ck are they putting in the Kool-Aid over there?!?!

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Yeah, that’s what had me confused too Aggie – I thought this must be a new blog with the same name or something?? WTF indeed!!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    From a comment on The Weinland Witness:

    ” Like I have always been saying from before, I will have to stop following Mr. Weinland if physical manifestion of the 2nd Trumpet is not witnessed by the beginning of the year of 2011, although I personally believe that it will be within the next 6 months or so, but this is just purely speculation on my part.

    Aaron Robinson”

    Aaron has reiterated this commitment to me in a private email. Let’s hope he sticks to it.

  • Mal says:

    Is anyone on this blog open in any way to the possibility that the early death of Joseph Tkach exactly 40 Sabbaths after his crucial sermon could have been God’s judgement ?

    Or do you think this idea from RW is total nonsense ?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Just for the sake of discussion, let’s pretend that this was God’s judgment on Joe Sr.

    How would that validate that Ron the Rebooter is a prophet of God?

    And all the date relationships he points out. How does that validate Ron the Reviser as a prophet of God?

    What is the true test of of prophet of God? It’s that what he prophesies comes true when he prophesied it would come true. Let’s list here everything that fits that definition for Ron, followed by a list of everything that doesn’t fit the definition.

  • Steve says:

    Mal i am more likely to believe that someone poisoned (or somethin) Joseph exactly on the 40th than to believe it was judgement….after all THAT would make people like you believe exactly what you are believing right now….cult manipulation from a whole new perspective.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I would agree with Steve, that it’s more likely that Tkach was assassinated to make it come out 40 weeks later. But I don’t believe that Tkach was assassinated.

    I believe that Tkach died of cancer as was stated. But obviously not the same kind of cancer which killed me quickly after Ron the Railer reissued his death curse against me 62 weeks ago. 😀 (the first time he issued his death curse was 97 weeks ago, see the YouTube video from some Weinland follower)

  • Debbie says:

    Mal –

    Although it is called the Christmas Eve Sermon – Our congregation of WCG were presented the audio/video @ Sabbath at the end of the first week of January – Mr Tkach Sr died 38 weeks after that – not 40 as has been posted – If you were to do some internet searching, you will also see that there is disparity on the actual date of his death

    This is all a matter of perspective – As with some humans who may desire something to be true, their minds will choose to believe those things which support the desired idea or outcome –

    Kirrily, xWHA, myself & others on this blog have expressed that we have interacted with Ronald Weinland and have been involved in the PKG to one extent or another – For many reasons we have chosen to separate ourselves – I can only speak for myself – I separated because I discovered that Ronald Weinland and PKG doctrines are false – that includes his prophecies and timelines – I believe the others have posted similar experiences

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    The timeline for the apostasy that I have is
    — December 17, 1994 Tkach announces the changes while in Atlanta, GA. Word is that the sermon was interrupted because they over-ran the time for which the hall was rented.
    — December 24, 1994 Tkach reprises the Atlanta sermon while at the Big Sandy Campus. This is the “Christmas Eve” sermon which was recorded and played back in January 1995 in the other local WCG congregations
    — March, 1995 Weinland departs WCG ministry
    — April 1995 COG-PKG is incorporated but under a different name
    — September 23, 1995 Tkach dies of cancer, 40 weeks after 12/17/94.

  • Aggie says:

    “Although it is called the Christmas Eve Sermon – Our congregation of WCG were presented the audio/video @ Sabbath at the end of the first week of January.”

    This was also in the days before streaming webcasts and “as it happens” TV, and “the Christmas Eve Sermon” (which, oddly enough, is only called that by those trying to either encourage or criticize the apostasy), was a videotaped sermon, that was then sent to all congregations by postal mail. (Remember that?) Anyway, spparently some outlier congregations didn’t get “the good news” that we were all supposed to be pagan-worshippers, till up to two months after the changes had been announced!

  • Aggie says:

    For those who don’t have a first-hand experience of the changes, and for a glimpse of how some of it went down, I recommend reading the back issues of In Transition. They may have been biased towards still “holding fast to the truth once delivered”, but those letters and articles, give a fairly good representation of the betrayal, confusion, and utter chaos, the church was thrown into, thanks to the changes, and how they were implemented. An article I’ve written about this sermon is here. Don’t miss the part where the Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God tells a hundred thousand of the most faithful followers of the religion, that we are all “spiritually illiterate”. After years of being drowned in Bible study and church literature, instructing us on “the right way to go”!

    It’s not hard to understand, looking back on it, why there are now 700+ splinter groups, and smaller groups breaking off from those each and every day. They might just as well have told us that we were better off being atheists; in the end, that’s the decision forty thousand of us ended up making. Not a hard decision to make, since god didn’t exist anymore and, even if he did, we were now in a time and a place where the church was beyond that god’s reach, to be “corrected”.