Pressed Upon

Son of Perdition Ronald Weinland was in Dallas this weekend.  After services, the members were to standby for a special announcement.  The last time he did this was for Audra’s wedding reception.

Some PKG members are undergoing medical trials.  Hopefully Travis will come through the chemo treatment for his leukemia and 2-year-old Kenny’s heart surgery will also go well. Fortunately Weinland is not continuing the doctrine of his spiritual idol Herbert Armstrong against the use of medical care.   OTOH, Jim Sullivan, who was ordained as associate elder 3 weeks ago and spent his golden wedding anniversary traveling to see his spiritual idol Ron Weinland in Spokane two weeks ago, passed on.  Hopefully Jim’s widow Beverly will be able to deal with the disappointment on the afternoon of May 26, 2012 when they are not reunited since he is not resurrected as one of the sealed 144,000 and she is not converted to spirit being at that time.

This was mostly a boring sermon — no new titles or doctrines. Ron made a few half-hearted jabs against his critics, but mainly coasted on his theme of the upcoming millions who are to be baptized by his new elders.  Next week end is the approximate anniversary of the 2-day fast at the end of last January, and the following weekend (Feb 6) is a one-day fast.

So it’s timely to review the sermon that the Man of Sin Ronald Weinland delivered on Jan 31 of last year (19 MB audio MP3 download, right-click the link and Save-as).  Ron talked about how the members were to pray for an increase in the thunders beginning around 1 hour and 14 minutes in this file.  (If you download the sermon from the PKG website, these statements will be located a few minutes earlier in the recording since the announcements are redacted — that is unless he also redacted these statements which wouldn’t surprise me as he’s done this on other occasions). A few of his statements 51 weeks ago:

Can we grasp what it’s going to take to bring them to repentance?  … So what does it  take?  Suffering.  To think that you would pray for the suffering of some, for the death of some.  So that others could live.  …  So again, what is the purpose of our prayers, petitions and fasting before God? … That more be brought to repentance and acceptance of the truth by the timing, repetition, and power from unleashing far mightier thunders.  And as well the trumpets…  So think about those thunders and pray about them.   …. The majority is about our desire for the thunders … and pray about them that they be released with far greater power.

Talking about the first thunder (war), bemoaning the success of “the surge” in Iraq:

Pray about this, that there be more conflict. Pray that God stir things up with the first thunder, a terror of war.  Because only when people fear    they can come to repentance they won’t fear otherwise .  They’ve been so spaced out, it’s easy to slough them off with human reasoning  “Oh well it’s just time and chance   You want to pray that things be such that people stop saying that.  That people be brought to such realization, that they realize that no, this isn’t normal, and these things haven’t happened like this before.  Not this way.

In “2008 — God’s Final Witness”, Weinland likened the thunders to birth pains.  Birth pains increase in magnitude and frequency prior to birth. On page 82 of his fictional book:

The physical phase of transition that is occurring during this present Sixth Seal is the period when prophetic end-time events escalate, on a physical plane, with increasing destructive power that is best depicted as a pregnant woman in labor pains.

So after the Sixth Seal ended, he’s admitting that the actual thunders experienced are not like labor pains.  Then Ron continued on about the second thunder (earthquakes):

Are you comfortable about praying for massive earthquakes? You need to think about this because your asking for the death of others.  Because that’s what happens with a massive earthquake.  That’s what happens with a massive tsunami.  Or when a volcano goes off.  People die.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland continued on about the thunders in his sermon 51 weeks ago.  And in his sermon 57 weeks ago, he issued a death curse against me to speedily die from the inside.  Both statements of equivalent veracity.  Since the thunders did not intensify, he’s twisted and distorted what he said about the purpose of last year’s fast to credit it for the delay in the Great Tribulation.  So, maybe the fast is why Ron’s curse on me hasn’t taken effect.



  • Debbie says:

    As I read your post, I was struck that it was just 2 short years ago that I was taking part in the COG-PKG fast @ beginning of Feb 2008 – around the time of the supposed first sealing of the 144,000 – My mindset at that time was that I had fallen asleep spiritually and was being awakened – My attitude and purpose was to draw closer to God – My concerns were for my family & loved ones – I think back to the sermon I heard that day & Ronald was doing his thing with numbers (again) 1335, 1290, 1260 and so on –

    I was searching at the time, so I had a good look at COG-PKG to see if it was there – The surface looked somewhat believable, however, after in-depth investigation I found it wasn’t there either – I am glad I did that search, cuz what I learned from that experience was I didn’t need to search anymore – (but that’s another topic)

    Before, during & since that time Ronald has observably continued to manipulate numbers, people, scripture and everything else possible to get what he wanted – to be in charge, to be in control, to have other people’s money, to have a globe-trotting lifestyle and to convince himself he is the top banana –

    I recall the COG-PKR-er who contacted me back in Nov 2007 and what had impressed them & set Ronald & PKG apart were “the 7 thunders” – these same thunders which Ron’s god supposedly revealed to Ron only – none of which has come to fruition in the manner or time frame in which Ronald has said they would – these same thunders which were the primary indicator that Ronald is who he says he is – (so many titles now to list) –

    The outcome of this – Ronald is not who he says he is – however in the mean time he has managed to maintain a following with his mystifications and baffling with BS – Just reading those words of Ronald above remind the man is incapable of putting forth a concrete idea – he talks in circles and generalities – always dangling some sort of carrot for those who listen to him –

    Last year’s fast didn’t bring about the result of more thunders – of that I am sure – I may have missed it, but what is this year’s fast about? – Is it for the millions of people who are to be baptized even though they were not brought to repentance by the non-existing thunders?

  • Dill Weed says:

    Right on Debbie!

    Ron is the king of talking in circles and generalities, powerfully so. Everything is a ‘process’ leading to nothing. It is amazing to think that some would drive 6, 10 hours or more to hear him speak.

  • Steve says:

    I think Ronnie dumbass should just make his way to the federal accomodation and be given some MS 13 cell mates (or Aryan Brotherhood) for an induction course to prison life….after all he has earned it and so it is only fair he gets the best deserved treatment.

  • xHWA says:

    I wonder if that fast didn’t shut the curse off, and Ron forgot to turn the curse back on again. It’s been turned off this whole time and no one been watching it.
    Mike, you should send a courtesy email to Ron and remind him to curse you again this third time. Or is it fourth?

    He cursed all of us mockers back in 2008 when he accidentally declared he was a Witness before he really was a witness and had to re-proclaim his office. And I tell you what, I have never felt better. I wish he’d curse my wife. Or curse my lawn.

    I could use a new garage door. Maybe he’d be nice enough to curse my garage.

  • Karen Mustard says:

    I wonder if we walked up to Ron before a sermon we might smell Kentucky Bourbon??!!

  • Whisper says:

    If memory serves Mike was cursed twice, once slowly and once quickly. Whether both where from the inside out I don’t remember but Mike, the mockers, and the specific leaders of competing COG splinters are all still alive, kicking, breathing, and in fair health.
    Curse? As if Ron could curse… well maybe like a sailer if the mood arises…

    Wow, no more prophecy… now where into endless revisions of biblical form and minutia of biblical meaning. While Ron is hardly known at all he at least was someone once. He bouldly made predictions and prophecy… but failure has a way of chancing peope so his meglamania had to go somewhere else, into Elijah’s and Apostles. Much more boring. Much less pizz-az and glitter, but much safer as he is not being so obviously wrong all the time. But less glitter brings in less new blood and the whole aparatus falls apart slowly…

  • Dennis says:

    I wonder if he wonders why you are still alive and shortly after ordaining one of his own, the man passes away. No, I doubt it.

  • Baywolfe says:

    Pray that there be more conflict in Iraq… I must have glossed over that when I first read it. That’s just appalling.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    That is disgusting.

    Fortunately, everything seems to happen the opposite of what Ron prophesies and what they prayed for. For example, all of the 5 ministers to die early on to prove Weinland is a prophet of God are all still alive.

    I wonder if we could get Weinland to call a 2-day fast to pray that none of his critics would ever win a lottery jackpot. 😀

  • Steve says:

    It doesn’t even matter if any of his prophecies “did” start coming true cuz he has already been wrong so many times…if someone is to be trusted they will get it right all the time, not wrong the first second upto the 20th time then start to get it right from the 21st onwards etc….Ron IS confusion and a complete thorn to any person who lacks knowledge in this area (which is what he preys upon-lack of knowledge & thus fear).

    A political analyst can predict better than Ron…infact they are sometimes very accurate…for example i remember reading a newspaper article in 1999 talking about what the 21st century holds for us…the analyst was asked: “What will be the main image of the early 21st Century?”…his reply was along the lines of: “you will see radical Islam on the rise and the main image will thus be a Muslim with a Koran in one hand and an AK47 in the other”…well we know what happened a year later or so and has continued upto now…so this analyst is a far better prophet than Ron….there are countless people better at predicting things.

    I expect that a number of people who will come out of his cult will suffer mentally (unfortunately) after having their whole way of thinking “re-structured” by Ron…which by the way is a classic mind control programming procedure used by dangerous “regimes” in third world countries and other areas…breaking them down to nothing so to speak (from their old beliefs) and then “re-building/re-structuring” their brain to be dependent on him…..perhaps im giving him too much credit for his conscious mind….but even if he doesn’t realize that is what he is doing…that seems to be the result.

    Let me repeat;

    Ron Is the definition of confusion.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Steve, you are so right. I agree that there are MANY people out there who are making better predictions than Ron – God’s most formidable prophet of all time *snicker*.

    In so far as suffering mentally once a member leaves, I also totally agree. I left about a year ago, and let me tell you, I still really suffer the after effects. I really don’t know what happened whilst I was in there, or the tactics used (concious or otherwise) – but I know how they have effected me.

    To explain it briefly, you LOSE yourself when you are in there, but you don’t know its happening.

    When you come out, you have to firstly realise that you have lost yourself (which took me nearly a year!), then be shocked at yourself seeing how you have been behaving (so not like me, well, the me I USED to know), then set about trying to figure out what’s going on (which is where I am at now).

    Wow – such a process.

    If someone had have told me when this is what would’ve happened to me leaving a group like PKG, I never would’ve believed it. I would’ve thought “That’s what would happen to the weak and gullible, not ME!!!” – but there it is.

    I was in PKG, now I’m out – now I have to figure myself out, again…..

    I find all this just incredibly WEIRD. It doesn’t make any logical sense, and that’s the hard part. It’s all about unconcious things, things you can’t touch or easily see. I think that is what I find so difficult.

    It’s pretty hard when you wake up one day and just feel like you have woken up from a very, very, very long nightmare. Then you have to figure out how to live again. I HAD considered myself a very strong person, but this whole experience has brought me to my knees. That Ronnie boy, is where I found humility – on my knees, not in your little cult.

  • Baywolfe says:

    Kirrily, you owe it to yourself to investigate whether the PKG is the cause, or just a symptom, of the problem.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I’m sure it’s probably both – you have to have a certain mindset to join such a group in the first place after all.