Awesome Revelations

False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke in Bloomington, Illinois today.  He drug along his elders Ralph Dowd and Ken Zitt from Cincinnati to say the prayers and help fill up the meeting room.  I wonder if he also brought along Chris and Audra as he did last week to Erie and if they again went out for hot wings after services, or if Bloomington even has such a place.

Ron is excited about awesome new revelations coming down the pike, to be delivered in about 3-4 weeks leading up to the end of the first half of his shortened time on February 6 for which a church-wide fast has been proclaimed.  Given that Ron’s new revelations involve numbers and novel interpretations of the Bible, he probably has two screens connected to his computer, with Excel on one screen to work out the number of days between different dates, and E-Sword with Strong’s Greek and Hebrew dictionaries on the other screen to select possible meanings of words which best suit him.

Ron again took a tour through history, talking about “duck and cover” drills school children were given in the ’50’s to prepare for “nukular” attacks. Stanley Rader was used in 1979 by God to defend WCG against California Attorney General Deukmejian, but no mention of the tithe and offering money that ended up in Stan’s pocket.   Ralph Dowd was ordained in September of 1986 when Ron was assigned in Cincinnati as associate pastor, Terry Wrozek was ordained as an elder in April of 1998 and Johnny Harrell during the Feast of Tabernacles held that year at Niagara Falls.

Ron repeated the mention of the trip to Europe in November 1999 and being hosted by Benjamin and Grace in their London apartment.  Also repeated his claim that 19 were in attendance in contradiction to his statement in December of 1999 that 12 were there including 3 children.  Maybe the 10 virgins were hiding in the next room making it a total of 19 adults.  Benjamin committed the unpardonable sin not only of being on Facebook but also trying to recruit other PKG members to be his Facebook “friends”.

Jan2000NWWeinland also continued his tour through some old News Watch periodicals he published intermittently from 1998 through 2002.  Issues mentioned were:

  • December, 1999 in which he prophesied that Y2K would be a non-Event, which was pretty safe at that point given the massive effort to update all the software.
  • January, 2000 in which he rolled out the new name of the church in the banner and a new PO Box to which it seems his elders had not agreed.
  • February-March, 2000 in which a 2nd new PO Box was obtained because of the split.
  • Third Quarter of 2001 which was the start of a 4-parter proving that we’re in the end times.
  • First Quarter of 2002, Ron still didn’t understand that 9/11 was the opening of the 6th seal when he wrote this.
  • Third Quarter of 2002, This was the last issue of News Watch. Shortly after this, Ron opened the Swiss bank accounts. The following year he published his 4-color booklet “Time Has Run Out” and then went on to write his books.

Ron took News Watch off his website back in 2003, but threatens to put them back on.  However, you can download PDFs of these issues now using the links above.

Near the end of the sermon, Ron indicated that he is going to exercise his newly recognized office of Apostle by adding new doctrine.  A doctrine which he announced up front is not in the Bible, either — Old Testament or New Testament. PKG members will be expected to march in formation turning to the left or right as directed by Drill Instructor Ronald Weinland.   Being an Apostle, he is entitled to invent new doctrine just like the Apostles in the New Testament.  But then the Insane Liar invented his position as an Apostle in the first place, just as he invented his position as a Prophet of the God of Abraham.  He will no longer be bound by novel interpretations of scripture, he can just make it all up.  He expects that a few will leave the church.  I hope a lot of PKG members will leave, but I expect that most of his followers will continue chugging down the Flavor Aid to wash it all down.  Wonder if this will be better than his “no Facebook” doctrine.

Ron needs to use more smoke and mirrors to distract his followers from the lack of Great Tribulation.  December 14 (Monday) is one year from the first non-start of the Great Tribulation in the second timeline.  It’s now 12 weeks since the second non-start on the Feast of Trumpets.  Since I’ve made it now 51 weeks without suffering the speedy death Weinland cursed me with, I expect I’ll be around a few more weeks to hear what amazing new bull Ron has to share.  (I would have used a different word than “bull”, but listening to the false prophet is rubbing off on me 😉 )

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  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Mmmmmm – just when you think he can’t get much worse…… what can I do now but just laugh at the guy!!

  • Dill Weed says:

    I believe this is the beginning of the end. I remember Ron saying in his last sermon after declaring himself an apostle, that more was coming. What was left, but becoming a bible writer? Ron has stepped out of the cover he could claim from biblical intrepretation, into a realm without cover. He is much closer than ever to making indefensible claims – that is claims that rest soley on his credibility. He is in dangerous territory. This is the act of a desperate man.

    Dill Weed

  • Aggie says:

    Hate to say this, but I think the Insane Lying False Prophet might just be right, when it comes to Failbook (although not for the reasons he thinks).

    Here is the main article explaining why, from the Electronic Frontier Foundation (with links to the relevant government research papers):

    “These new “privacy” changes are clearly intended to push Facebook users to publicly share even more information than before. Even worse, the changes will actually reduce the amount of control that users have over some of their personal data.”

    I dunno about you guys, but that makes MY blood run cold. I knew Failbook was bad news from the moment it hit. I wouldn’t touch that site with a ten-foot bargepole.

  • Aggie says:

    BTW, anyone hear a familiar refrain in this “all new doctrine” crap? Seriously, it seems like Weinland reveals “new doctrine” every week now! (At least according to the sermon summaries.) Even Herbie wasn’t that bad; when I was in, the major doctrinal changes under End-Time Elijah (over the space of twenty years) were Pentecost, something about duck being clean (IDEK IDGI either we always ate duck with no problems), makeup, and birthdays. The church only flip-flopped on food, makeup, and birthdays shortly AFTER Herbie died. That was right around the same time they tried to start slipping trinitarianism into the Kool-Aid though…..

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I quit attending WCG as soon as I came of age. But after that, in addition to Pentecost and while HWA was still alive there was

  • – Divorce and Remarriage allowed under some circumstances
  • – became OK to see doctors
  • – makeup became OK until Herbie decided to divorce Ramona, then he changed it back since Ramona liked to use it.
  • – Herbie’s birthday was observed
  • Herbie ate pork
  • As far as duck, it was always clean as far as I knew.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    The Insane Liar came out about Facebook back on August 22, suggesting Facebook was bad. A couple of PKGers shut down their pages right away. Then a week later he came out much stronger against and half of them shut down their pages. Then in the past few sermons he’s mentioned it in relation to the exited elder Benjamin. The little box on the right side of the banner at the top of the page is a search box (yes, poorly labeled but that’s part of the template). No, he doesn’t mention Facebook every week, but it’s been often enough and belabored enough that anyone who’s halfway paying attention wouldn’t miss. So J, if your mother missed it then she really is asleep.

    (BTW, if you want to read what he said about Facebook, download the PDFs on the PKG audio page, right-click the “PDF” link next to the name of the sermon. Or use these links: Aug 22 PDF, Aug 29 PDF These are text-searchable PDFs also, so open the file and use Acrobat Reader’s search feature.)

    Ron has mentioned his IRS troubles several times in sermons. But only in passing and in such vague terms that if I didn’t already know what he was talking about, I’d be wondering “What is he talking about?”. There probably are a lot of members like J’s mother who don’t pay attention.

    But there are a few thinkers in the bunch, however sluggishly. The Lunatic Apostle and Insane Lying False Prophet often states that if he’d held off announcing the 50th “truth” until Trumpets of 2008 that he would have lost members. His taking away their “sealing” was a bit too much for them to handle.

    I don’t know why why he doesn’t just announce the IRS investigation head on. For those who do listen, he could easily spin it. And according to Audra, a bunch of them already know.

  • Aggie says:

    “As far as duck, it was always clean as far as I knew.”

    That may have been before BOTH our times; AFAIK it’s a belief of Packatollah’s crowd, and they “hold fast to the faith once delivered ca. 195x”. (IIRC it’s either 1956 or some other year in the ’50s.) Pack contends Herbie “lost the plot” after that. Duck being unclean being one of the things RCG has “restored”. Think I read it on “There Came a Falling Away”……

    No idea what ILFPRW is planning, in re: the IRS “tribulation”, but given the fact that Ikwueme sent around letters Mike, do you think Benjamin is shilling for his own split? Or urging others to go back to whatever CoG they came out of?

    One thing’s for certain: If PKG splits, there’s not going to be much tithe money on either side…..

  • Aggie says:

    “(BTW, if you want to read what he said about Facebook, download the PDFs on the PKG audio page, right-click the “PDF” link next to the name of the sermon. Or use these links: Aug 22 PDF, Aug 29 PDF These are text-searchable PDFs also, so open the file and use Acrobat Reader’s search feature.)”

    That’s new. Are the PDFs being edited in accordance with the sermons? Given the lack of “announcements” in either of the two I perused, I’m assuming the answer is yes. Question is, why would Weinland suddenly be allowing the sermons to be set out in black and white like this? Especially the bit about the numbers and times, and how there’s “only 44 Sabbaths left”, that’s all going to come back and bite him on the ass eventually. What giveth?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’d be interested in a specific link to the Packatollah’s site in re duck being unclean. As far as Apostle Ron, duck is specifically on his PDF list of clean meats on his website.

    They started putting transcripts of his sermons up in August, claiming that they’re only “slightly edited”. Don’t think that transcripts have the same impact as hearing the Insane Liar babbling away. But the PDFs are text searchable, which is handy.

    I doubt that Benjamin is going for his own split. From what I hear, he’s a nice guy and therefore wouldn’t have what it would take to rape the tithe payers.

  • Aggie says:

    “I’d be interested in a specific link to the Packatollah’s site in re duck being unclean. As far as Apostle Ron, duck is specifically on his PDF list of clean meats on his website.”

    ISTR it being mentioned in the first chapter or so of There Came a Falling Away. I’ve got no stomach to go searching for it though. 😛

    “Slightly edited”, is that sort of like being “somewhat pregnant”? 😉 Good to hear Benjamin and Grace won’t be on the airwaves with “The RESTORED Church of God – Preparing for the Kingdom of God” any time soon. Altho’ a split might be beneficial, in bringing PKG down, before the Feds do…..

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I followed your link, then did a text search on “duck”. No hits.

  • Aggie says:

    They’ve changed the site a bit, I remember reading it a few years ago, that Pack thought Herbie had lost the plot after the 1950s, and the example was used of how “the truth once delivered” was that duck was unclean, and then it was changed, and things (according to RCG) went downhill from there.

    Of course, I wouldn’t put it past the Packatollah to retcon that. Something familiar about that tactic, no?? 😉

    I just skimmed through Pack’s hagiography of Herbie because I thought it might have been in there. No joy. If I run across it again, I’ll let you know.

  • Aggie says:

    On 2nd thought, it might not have been RCG at all, might have been one of the other splinters. But I know I read somewhere that one of the CoG leaders thought Herbie lost the plot after the 1950s, and it all started to go downhill after duck was declared clean…..

  • Aggie says:

    Also! Witness Packatollah on the History Channel! Not even Witless Weinland got that far!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ronnie did make it onto a national TV broadcast, which was the Compass program in Australia which has a TV news program sort of format. Clarion Call Dave was treated better by the History Channel than Ron was on the Compass program. They let Ron babble for a couple of minutes and then spent the rest of the program criticizing him.

    IIRC, the History Channel wanted to do a piece on Ron back in 2008 but he refused because they want to put the spotlight on PKG as well as Ron.

  • Whisper says:

    Finally, some laughter and fun ahead if Ron is going to run outside the covers of the book and start creating scripture out of thin air. Less interpreting the book and more creating the book! But I guess Apostles can do this, add to a book that Rev says not to. Maybe he’s not adding to the book but rather forming his own, worked somewhat for Joseph Smith? No matter how you slice it is should be a riot! New revelations, new scripture, new laws, new orders, new comedy instead of the steady dull “little or no prophecy because I keep getting it wrong and it hurts me so not to be right”.
    Go for it Ron, give it all ya got! Let’s see what you can come up with. Be sure to put on a cooks apron and hat, you’re creating after all and the kitchen can get somewhat messy when you do it from scratch!


  • Dill Weed says:

    Right on, Whisper

    Things should get a lot more interesting from here on out.

    Revelations II by Ronald Weinland.

    : P

    Dill Weed

  • Aggie says:

    Talk about creating your own reality…..Methinks Weinland “rolling his own” isn’t going to go down very well with the members of “the scattered church”; we were pretty heavy into inerrant literalism, back in the day, and AFAICT, 99.999999% of the splinters still are……

  • M Conrad III says:

    You know, if anything resembling the Tribulation actually happens in Weinland’s lifetime, he’s probably going to jump on top of it regardless of his “prophecies.” When will we be rid of this joker?

  • Whisper says:

    “When will we be rid of this joker?”

    Not for a long long time, for he does not even subscribe and have honor for what his own spoken/written prophecies state. They guy had the balls to even state that he would give up propchecy and stop being a minister if his prophecies did not come true… well they didn’t and he did not miss a beat in disregarding what he had stated.
    They guy will go on as long as he can illicit “tiches” and “$$”. When that faucet is turned off so will Ron be so turned off. $$ allows him to do what he does, without it he will loose the ability to do what he does. Since the sheeples have a “need” for a Ron Weinland to blindly follow Ron will not go away until they they do. But they don’t look like they are a packing anytime soon. But in the mean time await his new inspired scripture a-la Wienlandism! It’ll be a hoot! Oh, harmful to the sheeples that follow him, but a side splitter to us on the sidelines reading this B-grade movie material.

  • Aggie says:

    ” When will we be rid of this joker?”

    When he and the missus have enough of a retirement pension built up, from the tithe money, that they don’t have to falsely prophesy anymore.

  • Richard says:

    Ron indicated that he is going to exercise his newly recognized office of Apostle by adding new doctrine. A doctrine which he announced up front is not in the Bible, either — Old Testament or New Testament.

    Will anyone dare bring up to him Deut. 12:32 — about not adding to or taking from God’s commands? (Not to mention Rev. 22:18-19?)

  • Aggie says:

    Well, it’s official: Weinland has usurped Armstrong’s role as “the end-time Elijah”.

    Anyone from “the scattered church” onboard with THAT heresy is seriously cracked.