Comments on: Facebook Vs the Fiftieth “Truth”

By: jack635

jack635 — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:22:36 +0000

Wow!! That’s almost poetry or something classical.

By: Mike (DDTFA)

Mike (DDTFA) — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:39:01 +0000

Mark and Whisper have expressed it very well. The first person Ron conned was Ron.

By: jack635

jack635 — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:31:08 +0000

His delusion allows him to con people out of their money, and even make them disown their families in order to keep tithing. Although this may seem wrong to us it does not seem wrong to Ron because of his delusion. He can excuse himself of crime because he thinks it is necessary. The same way he rewrites the bible.

By: jack635

jack635 — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:25:25 +0000

“He’s both Con-Man and Delusional being”

That pretty well nails it.

By: Whisper

Whisper — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:20:00 +0000

Man is complex animal, and it was ever so.
Con man, delusional, Man of God… the money, the fame, the super-ego, the settings and trappings of the elite…
Man is complex but people often want the world to be oh so simple.
Take ol Ron for example, people would like him to be a “Con-Man” or ar “Delusional-Man”, it makes ones vision of Ron straight and simple. But Ron is many things, he is delusional because of his ego, he just loves to be the Man of God, Belove of God, Leader of all the True and Faithful of this entire World. He is also a Con-man fixated on pretty shiny things. He lines his retirement bed with dollar bills all the time swimming in a delusional “Holy Man” dream. He’s both Con-Man and Delusional being…
People are like that, they are not single pane mirrors, but rather multi-fauceted with many reflections to those who view them.
But people continue to be complex and still attempt to look out upon the world and want it to be simple.
Go figure?

By: Aggie

Aggie — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:04:10 +0000

“Their ministry has NEVER been about helping people, but only about feeding their earthly desires for power and money.”

True enough, but those of us who were true believers certainly didn’t think that way.

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:36:15 +0000

It’s not JUST about money with Ronald. It’s as much, if not more, about control and power. There’s a sense of power that comes from getting people to do what you tell them to do as well as open up their pocketbooks and give you money. Like so many other Herbie disciples, once you’ve seen and tasted what it is like at the top of the hierarchy, there’s something very tempting in wanting that (just look at all the splinter groups). It reminds me of Frodo and the ring in Lord of the Rings. “My Precious”.
Their ministry has NEVER been about helping people, but only about feeding their earthly desires for power and money.

By: RK

RK — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:52:26 +0000

“But it’s a bit more complex than that.”

So true.

There’s a lot of things that make it look like Ron is totally in it for the money, and nothing else; and that could very well be true.

And then again, there are other things, e.g. , Ron’s letter to Moses Znaimer at Idea City.

If one reads that letter, it looks like Ron believes what he’s doing, however deluded.

It’s confusing to me, and not that easy to pin down.

Something else to throw into the mix: I remember many times when Herbert would harp on those scriptures like “The laborer is worthy of his wages” and Paul’s statement about those who preach the gospel have a right to live by it, etc. etc.

I think that Herbert might have really drummed that into the ministers’ heads, and because of that, these people like Flurry, Pack, Weinland, and a lot of other COG ministers, feel justified in raking in the tithes.

That might be (I say might be) part of their thinking.