The Great and Final

Let’s flash forward to the final week full in May of 2012 which is also the final week of Ron Weinland’s overlapping 1260-day and 980-day timelines.  The US has met its demise as the result of the first 4 trumpets and was taken over 9 months earlier by the European beast power in the Fifth Trumpet during August of 2011.  The Asiatic hordes have arisen and their 200-million-man army was mobilized and equipped in less than 140 days beginning in January of 2012 and is maneuvering against the European Beast’s army in the valley of Megiddo in northern Israel.

Note: all quotes below are from 2008 — God’s Final Witness or Prophesied End Time (PET) with the [page number] in brackets:

[129] The last great battle of mankind (described in Revelation and prophetically known as Armageddon) is the account of these two superpowers converging upon one another and the battle that ensues. This confrontation is inevitable. This time coincides with the very end of the three and one-half years of final end-time tribulation.  …. China and her allies will move against the United States of Europe. These superpowers will pursue a head-on confrontation of military might, since both will be reluctant to use any more nuclear weapons because of the enormous destruction already experienced.

Ron and Laura at some point finally got their witness powers and called down plagues and turned water into blood, garnering them the media attention they craved.  Also, a number of Ron’s critics died quickly, including bloggers Mike, Jack, and another who owns a cat with a prickly personality (but his cat survived).  Prior to the demise of the United States including the evil satanic IRS criminal investigators who were waging spiritual warfare against them, Ron and Laura went(fled) to Germany. Jeremy and Patricia moved to the couch so the two witnesses could have the big bed.  Ron’s followers in the US were happy to see the Great Tribulation finally arrive because they were having trouble making payments on all the stuff they purchased on a delayed payment plan, but they were sorry to see their spiritual idol leave.

The Beast Power manages to finally arrest Ron and Laura from within their midst in mid-May of 2012, freeing up the big bed for Jeremy and Patricia.  The Two Witnesses are taken to Jerusalem and forced to repeatedly watch videos of Rick Miller’s ideaCity performance until they die at sunrise on Wednesday, May 23, 2012.  Their bodies are thrown out on the streets and the media devotes all their airtime to video of their bodies even as the largest assembled armies in human history clash at nearby Megiddo.

[130] The day the Seventh Trumpet is blown will be the third and final “woe” upon the earth. But three and one-half days prior to this, God’s two witnesses will be killed in the streets of Jerusalem. This event will lead to the first great event that will begin on that last day.

[22] These two prophets of God will complete the work that God has given them to do, then they will be killed in the streets of Jerusalem. Their bodies will remain in the streets of Jerusalem for three and one-half days while the world watches via television.

Three and one-half days later on the afternoon of May 26, the battle in the valley of Megiddo is about to be joined.  The Seventh Trumpet sounds at sundown on Saturday, May 26th.  Ron and Laura are resurrected and their bodies rise into the sky, tracked by the media cameras still focused on the story of Ron and Laura’s bodies despite the raging battle about to start only 50 miles north.  Ron and Laura arise along with the sealed PKG members converted to spirit beings and the rest of the 144,000 who are resurrected, they meet Jesus Christ who is making a UFO-like appearance in space.

[131] In the actual order of events for this last day, this will be the first event. The day will begin by the appearance, in the highest atmosphere of the earth, of a large area of dazzling light and a powerfully colorful display, which man has never witnessed before. It will be the physical appearance (manifestation) of the coming of Jesus Christ and the resurrection that will take place at this very time. All 144,000 people who have been trained throughout six millennia to be in God’s government (the first phase of the Kingdom of God) will be resurrected at the beginning of this day.
It will be at the time of the resurrection of these two witnesses (viewed by millions) that the 144,000 will be resurrected and given eternal life in spirit bodies.

[PET, 195] On the last day of the great tribulation, the 144,000 will be resurrected and return to earth with Christ.

The huge battle at Megiddo rages on even as the first six plagues of the Seventh Seal are thrown out on the earth.  As the blood runs deep in the valley, the battle is about to switch from conventional to “nukular”, but the armies finally take note of the six plagues and the UFO-like appearance of all the Elohims in the sky as the seventh plague is thrown down late in the afternoon of May 27, 2012. They cease fighting each other to face the new threat but it is too late.  Ron, Laura, Jesus Christ, and the 143,998 other Elohims land on the Mount of Olives and take over the world.

Let’s take a look at another couple of quotes from 2008 — God’s Final Witness:

[132, speaking of the Seventh Trumpet] In the first great event on the last day of the end-time tribulation, Jesus Christ will be in the heavens above the earth with the 144,000 who will be resurrected.

[9] These two witnesses of God, as recorded in the Book of Revelation, will do their work during the last three and one-half years of their lives, which is the same time period as the great and final tribulation that will come on the entire world.

I’m confused here.  Ron has made it clear that his job began at sundown in Jerusalem at the end of the sabbath of December 13, 2008. Since his witness gig lasts for exactly 1260 days, a number evenly divisible by 7, it ends at the end of the sabbath of May 26, 2012, which is the beginning of Pentecost, the resurrection of the 144,000, and the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet.  And these 1260 days coincide exactly with the Great (and final) Tribulation.  But then he says that the following day, May 27,  is the last day of end-time tribulation and furthermore  that it will be the greatest single day of destruction in all history.  So if the Great (and final) Tribulation ends on May 26, 2012, how can it be even worse on May 27?

‘Splain that, False Prophet Ronald Weinland.  Or do you need your Gap back?

9 Comments

  • Mark says:

    Mike, you know prophetic timelines better than anyone even in his own church. I think that, honestly, few people in his church understand the book, read it anymore, or even care about it. They believe they are following a prophet, and it doesn’t matter what anyone says or whether there are problems with his math or logic. I mean, these are the same folks who have swallowed a whole conspiracy theory about JWT! It doesn’t take much to keep them dumb, numb, and sitting in the boat. When the boat capsizes they are all going to be panicking and drowning, mostly because they have never learned to swim.

    It’s the same story told over and over again, sadly, in so many cults. I learned to swim only because I didn’t want to get in anyone else’s boat of delusionment nor did I want to die.

  • Whisper says:

    Well if you simply take the square root of pie, multiply it by the number of horsemen of God, divided by the hat size of the silent witness, triangulate it on the hieghest point of the towner at Dubai, take into effect the “I Love Lucy Rerun #41”, strain the truth through the 1st book Ron ever wrote, pour the whole mess into a General Electric Blender Model UA256118 circa 1994, take an star bearing on all three of the stars in Orion’s belt, add the prefix number from the VIN of a 1966 Oldsmobile Wilcat (8 barrel version only please) and calculate the circumference of your cats tummy you will be able to explain the dates… and come to the fact that you’ve wasted a lot of time.
    Something Ron’s ministry has in common with the above…

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I have been quiet for quite some weeks now – spending nearly 5 weeks away from my husband, on my own. I have partied hard, got up to mischief and cried a mountain of tears and had suicidal thoughts.

    I will not blame ALL of this on my being a part of PKG – by any means. And I will never blame anyone else for my decisions.

    BUT….

    Mark has highlighted the MINDSET of those in PKG. I believe that something is wrong within a person to join such a group to begin with, as was the case with me.

    The effect of being part of this group is still working itself out within me, after having left in January this year.

    Can I explain it? No.
    Have I worked it out? No.

    All I can say is that the whole experience (again, my own fault) has effected me in a profoundly negative way – but I KNOW, that I am a VERY strong person. I am a good person. And I will prevail.

    I write this here, as I have always poured out my mind at heart, so others who eventually leave PKG and come here, can feel they are not alone.
    I write this here, so loved ones of people gripped by this cult can maybe understand the mindset, fear, hurt, dismay, wretchedness, humiliation, worthlessness, betrayal, and utter helplessness one goes through when you realise Ron was FALSE – and maybe just be there for them when it all turns to hell for them – and it will, I can guarantee it. Some will kill themselves I am sure.

    I have never been afraid to share all this here – as this has been a safe place and a refuge for me.

    If Mike is ‘an evil mocker’ and will burn in the lake of fire – then I will happily join him as he and all of you here have shown me more love and compassion than any effing PKG member. And if PKG is God’s true church, he is not a God that I want.

    I obviously have a long way to go, and it would help if I could just UNDERSTAND what the hell is going on in my poor tired mind. I just feel too tired now to try and work it out.

    It is what it is – and I repeat, I will prevail. I always do, and always will.

    Back home tomorrow 🙂

    (God, I don’t know how the hell Tony has put up with all of this. I guess I am so lucky that he still loves me even though I have put him through hell).

  • Mark says:

    “but I KNOW, that I am a VERY strong person. I am a good person. And I will prevail.”

    Darn tootin’ right you are. You really are one of the strong and lucky ones. No matter WHY you joined his cult, you had the strength to exit it. That’s something to be admired, and certainly not castigated or belittled in any form or fashion by ANYONE, especially YOURSELF. How many people have “fallen in love” with someone only to realize that the person they were infatuated with turned out to be a total jerk and abusive or a cheater? Many of us. We’ve ALL fallen for something that wasn’t true, right, helpful, and in some cases horribly detrimental to a quality, productive life that God intends for us. In Hebrews it says; “Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.” Let me tell you, those “witnesses” that are mentioned here are not Ron or Laura Weinland (unless they turn to Christ), they are the folks, just like you and me, who have walked this earth and experienced God, experienced disappointment, and have had tremendous heartache. They are the “righteous few” who really are the “disenfranchised hoards”. They are the ones, who, even with religious disappointments, want to follow God.

    You are, and I am not being facetious, the bravest Christian soldier I have ever had contact with.

  • AggieAtheist says:

    “And if PKG is God’s true church, he is not a God that I want.”

    Now you’re catching on. If at any point you start to give up, or doubt yourself, just think about what it was like for those of us born and raised in the church, who exited in the ’90s, thanks to the changes. Having never known anything else, it was definitely a Welcome to Holland moment. For better or for worse though, most of us have made it through, and are making it through, day by day in spite of or even because of everything we were raised with.

    I hope what I have written here gives you some hope. You sound strong and determined, and you have a former life in “the world” to go back to. I wish you all the best, and trust you will persevere.

    Aggie

  • RK says:

    In the main commentary, Mike (DDTFA) has encapsulated the kind of prophetic craziness that a lot of us were fortunate enough to come out of. IMO

    I’m in your boat as well, Kirrily, as I am still “working it out” myself.

    As Mark put it so well, we have to (and are) “learning to swim” for ourselves.

    And if I could, I’d like to mention just two things, that I didn’t intend to say, but I find that I can’t keep quiet.

    One:
    “I have never been afraid to share all this here – as this has been a safe place and a refuge for me”.

    Funny you mention that, because I’ve always thought that it’s kind of ironic, that on this website of “mockers”, there is a whole lot more CHURCH going on, in the way of helping and healing, and providing that refuge, than in ANY sermon or meeting that one would find in the COG-PKG.

    Two:
    Something that has bugged me, is hearing people from my former church say “get over it” or things similiar to that.

    Well it’s not that easy. It’s not just a matter of discarding a religious belief, or getting over it, and I think I’ve finally realized why.

    It’s because, through all the sermons, all the preaching, all the reading of the church booklets, and all of the prophetic claims, that what our “ministers” were purporting to give to us was REALITY. That is, all the answers to “why are we here, what are we doing here, is there a God, what is He doing, does He have a plan, what’s going to be happening on this earth shortly, how will it affect our lives, what is our ultimate destiny, etc. etc. etc. They claimed to give us REALITY.

    And when our REALITY gets shattered, it’s not something that we can just walk away from. It’s not a matter of “getting over it”.

    We now have to find reality, and it’s not that easy, and it does take time to work it all out.

    One of the few things that I can say for sure is that I know truth and reality do exist, and that here we are in this wonderful and amazing existence, that has brought us forth, and we’re all in this together, and I am never, ever, going to let some “prophet”, or “apostle”, or guru, or some other fool mess things up. Not if I can help it, anyway.

  • AggieAtheist says:

    “It’s because, through all the sermons, all the preaching, all the reading of the church booklets, and all of the prophetic claims, that what our “ministers” were purporting to give to us was REALITY. That is, all the answers to “why are we here, what are we doing here, is there a God, what is He doing, does He have a plan, what’s going to be happening on this earth shortly, how will it affect our lives, what is our ultimate destiny, etc. etc. etc. They claimed to give us REALITY.

    And when our REALITY gets shattered, it’s not something that we can just walk away from. It’s not a matter of “getting over it”.

    We now have to find reality, and it’s not that easy, and it does take time to work it all out. One of the few things that I can say for sure is that I know truth and reality do exist, and that here we are in this wonderful and amazing existence, that has brought us forth, and we’re all in this together, and I am never, ever, going to let some “prophet”, or “apostle”, or guru, or some other fool mess things up. Not if I can help it, anyway.”

    Amen!

  • Kirrily - XPKG says:

    RK – yeah, that’s it isn’t it. Your reality does get shattered, a reality that you thought was real.

    Takes a while I guess!

    Mark – thank you so much for your words – they mean a lot.

  • Matt says:

    The problem with being nice and giving people, ideas and even cults the benefit of the doubt is that some people, some cults and some ideas are not nice at all. People who have no conscience will always be able to take advantage of people who do for a while, because they know exactly what rules nice people play by and how to use them, but they have no such rules themselves.

    Fortunately, they can only do it to you once. And afterwards, you are immune to their particular brand of bull, and a little wiser when faced with bull in general. An honest person is always at a disadvantage to a liar at first. That doesn’t mean you should stop being honest. It just means you have to watch out for liars, and be aware that they will say what they think you want to hear.

    They never really gave you a reality, they gave you the dream of one. You always had and still have your reality inside you – the things you believe, feel, think. They tried to take it away from you and failed – or sometimes, tried to impose one on you from childhood, and failed. If they had not failed, you would not be here.

    No doubt recovering from this kind of domineering, isolating and alienating cult is a hard, hard road but when it gets tough, don’t forget you’ve already won. They failed to keep you from being yourself, and now they will never take your ability to be yourself away from you.