Inspired Ron

2009 God's False WitnessBelow we have some interesting quotes from “2008 – God’s Final Witness”:

  • Page 2: Final end-time events that will lead into the great tribulation, at the opening of the Seventh Seal, have already begun.
  • Page 4: This final stage is referred to as the great tribulation which is prophesied to last for a final three and one-half years.
  • Page 10: End-time events will become far more devastating, growing in frequency, until we are finally thrown into the midst of the water when the final three and one-half years of great tribulation strike.
  • Page 16: The other witness will be revealed to the world during the time of the great tribulationwithin the final three and one-half years of man’s era.
  • Page 60: This country is the focus for the beginning of great tribulation which will strike the earth in the final three and one-half years that precede the return of Jesus Christ, when He takes over the rule of all government on the earth.
  • Page 64: The Seventh Trumpet sounds on the final day of the last three and one-half years of great tribulation,
  • Page 79: The very last day of man’s self-rule—the last day of the three and one-half years of great tribulation—is marked by powerful events.
  • Page 86: This will serve as one final witness to the Church before the devastation of the great tribulation strikes the whole world at the opening of the Seventh Seal.
  • Page 96: All Seven Thunders will increase in power and recognition over the next two years (from the date of the first printing of this book) and on into the final three and one-half years of great tribulation.
  • Page 107: However, every minister who was scattered, who fails to repent early on and return to God (with me, as God’s minister, teaching them) will die during the final three and one-half years of great tribulation.
  • Page 115: When Jesus Christ opens the Seventh Seal of Revelation, God declares that the final three and one-half years of great tribulation will begin, and man’s self-rule will be brought to an end.
  • Page 129: Therefore, on this last day of the three and one-half years of great tribulation,
  • Page 174: Not only that, God also will move the spirit world to facilitate in limiting the great tribulation to exactly three and one-half years.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s book is quite clear, the Great Tribulation begins with the opening of the Seventh Seal, and lasts for three and one-half years.  The quotes on pages 16 and 60 are a bit ambiguous and could be interpreted to allow a shorter length, so I expect if Ron addresses this he will parse those quotes and ignore all the others which are clear as to the length.  Weinland acknowledges that the tribulation is not yet great, and during his Last Great Day sermon changed the duration of the Great Tribulation from the 1260 days of the 3 and 1/2 prophetic years to only be 980 days, and actually less because we’re down to 941 days remaining until the non-return of Jesus Christ. Before the first timeline, he had changed the timing already — the Great Tribulation was not to start with the first opening of the Seventh Seal on March 18, 2008 but rather after “30 days of silence” at the first blowing of the First Trumpet on April 17, 2008.

God progressively reveals, blah, blah, blah.  Except on page 29 of God’s Final Witness, we read:

This book does not originate from the prejudices of man; its message comes from the inspiration and revelation of God Almighty given to one of His prophets. given to one of His prophets.

So it would seem that God inspired Ron to lie about when the 1260 days started, so he had to come up with a second timeline.  And he inspired him to lie about the duration of the Great Tribulation, so he explained it away as being a shorter time.  What else did God inspire Ron to lie about?

15 Comments

  • Whisper says:

    Con, con, con…
    Oh the man believes his own “high & mighty” words of God, as it makes him feel good to do such, but he only believes it when he wants to feel good about his personal Glory that he himself had (wrote) God give himself.
    But all the while Ron is also a swindler taking the easy road out, building a retirement fund with other peoples money that he has to lie, day in and day out, to get. Ron is ever so desperate for the gold in other peoples hands that he may place in his own vaults for his ealderly years ahead.
    He’s both swindler and delusional spokesman of God. He get’s to rule the “here and now” AND still have a wonderful retirement paved with gold.
    His sheeples on the other hand will be somewhat poorer in there retirement and will have the dis-illusioned outlook of the confused when the hero Ron turns his back and strolls off into the sun-set with thier money in his wallet… all the while remembering the fun he had as the head of his own church and the lord of other peoples lives.
    Sad.

  • Matt says:

    Ahhhh that one is easy. Religious sect-building 101: if it is bad, or contradicts doctrine, simply say that is because God is testing the faithful, or that his ways are mysterious. If it is good, or asserts doctrine, say it is evidence of God’s hand in all things. Repeat ad nauseam.

  • RK says:

    “Page 107: However, every minister who was scattered, who fails to repent early on and return to God (with me, as God’s minister, teaching them) will die during the final three and one-half years of great tribulation”.

    So the ministers of the scattered COG’s are to repent, with Ron, as Gods’ minister, teaching them?

    Ha! Fat chance of THAT ever happening!

    For people like Gerald Flurry, or Rod Meredith, David Hulme (need I go on?) I don’t think the idea of having Ron as their teacher would sit very well with them. To put it mildly.

    It makes for great comedic material, though!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Actually, Gerald Flurry and Rod Meredith were supposed to have died during the 6th seal along with 3 other CoG ministers to prove that Ron is a true prophet of God. That didn’t happen.

    Nor have I heard of any other notable deaths among the scattered ministry, other than McNair about a year ago. Amazing, considering that they’re all getting rather long in the tooth by now.

  • Whisper says:

    “So the ministers of the scattered COG’s are to repent, with Ron, as Gods’ minister, teaching them?

    Ha! Fat chance of THAT ever happening!”

    Ya, but I bet it was fun for Ron to write just to get a jab in at the competition that is muscling on his territory… even if it was a toothless bite though.

  • RK says:

    I wouldn’t argue with you about that, Whisper.

    Also:
    This whole thing regarding “the thunders” raises a question with me.
    Maybe somebody can help me with this one.
    And it’s a sincere question.

    In Ron’s book, he says “These thunders are largely a matter of my own choosing, which God has given to me since I am His spokesman and the one who will stand before Him to the whole world during this end-time”.

    And Ron also says that the thunders are for the purpose of pointing to him as being one of the end-time Witnesses, namely, the spokesman.

    O.K. Take the 3rd thunder, for example, which is, the growing destructiveness from weather.

    Am I to understand, that if a big hurricane should strike, causing horrendous damage, that Ron is going to claim to the world, that the cause, or purpose of the hurricane, is because of, or on account of him, in order to get the worlds’ attention, to listen to him?

  • AggieAtheist says:

    RK, Weinland tried that in 2008 with the earthquakes.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    In his LGD sermon, Ron is still on the earthquakes. When the earthquake swarms come up on land, that will get people’s attention. We had a few earthquakes out in the Pacific a few weeks ago — anything more since then?

    At different times, Ron has explained that his radio show interviews are planting a seed — after his predicted disasters come about he would be called back for more interviews and get free publicity. But it didn’t turn out that way, and he’s had to spend (according to him) hundreds of thousands of $$$ on Google advertising. So much for the 6th thunder.

    It’s been so long now, that all these radio show hosts have forgotten this kook. So if a major disaster happened, he’d have to call and remind them.

  • Whisper says:

    “NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The U.S. economy grew at a 3.5% annual rate in the third quarter, ending a string of declines over four quarters that resulted in the most severe slide since the Great Depression.”

    Gross Domestic Product
    1st Quarter 2008 = -0.9%
    2nd Quarter 2008 = +1.5%
    3rd Quarter 2008 = -2.4%
    4th Quarter 2008 = -5.4%
    1st Quarter 2009 = -6.4%
    2nd Quarter 2009 = -0.8%
    3rd Quarater 2009 = +3.5%

    Does the percentage mathmatics above begin to tell a tale? A tale of recover from the worst where we “grow” instead of “decline”?
    This is not prophecy, this is reality. This is not wishful thinking, this is carefull coordinated work toward recovery & beyond.
    Discussions continue abouth Rons 2nd Trumpet and when (if) it will occur, but the 1st trumpet is in reverse and backing up…
    Where is the prophetic 1st trumpet a-going?
    There was no 1st Trumpet, it was declared by a scared mean little man who wants so desperatly for history to happen as he dictates. But history listens not to delusional little men, it has it’s own path as shown above in contrast to Rons desires.

    Again, where is the 1st trumpet again?

  • RK says:

    Thanks Aggie, and Mike, for the answers.

    That’s exactly what I was getting at.

    When Ron said that the “thunders were a matter of his own choosing”, I wondered if he would be so bold as to actually claim some kind of responsibility for a particular disaster.

    “RK, Weinland tried that in 2008 with the earthquakes.” And that answers what I was wondering.

    All I can say to that is “Wow”, the more I learn about RW, the more I realize that he is even more crazy than I thought.

  • Matt says:

    Awesome. Can the victims sue him for damages, ya think? Also, was ron responsible for the Plague of Mosquito in my bedroom last night? (it was only one, but it WAS very annoying in an eldritch and supernatural way.)

  • Steve says:

    He should be sued or arrested for the many many death threats he has made….someone as delusional as this is a danger to the public.

  • Atrocious says:

    At the least of it, he should be committed to a psychiatric hospital. And after that, he should spend some time in prison, his Swiss bank accounts confiscated and the money returned to the rightful owners.

  • AggieAtheist says:

    More on Weinland and the 2008 earthquakes here.

    In 2008, well after his “If by Pentecost” declaration on March 29, 2008, Weinland advised members that they could ask for their money back, IF they had given any funds over and above their 10% 1T, and IF they asked for it before Pentecost. Also see Notes on RW May 3, 2008 sermon, “April 17th”. (The title of the May 3, 2008 sermon refers to the April 19, 2008 sermon, “It Has Begun”, when Weinland & Wife “began their job” — the first time. A tactic they revisited on Dec 14, 2008, during Timeline Two.

    Apparently, Weinland made the offer to return money May 3, 2008, because family members of a PKG member agitated, after money was sent to the church that was supposed to have been spent on “education”. Didn’t say whether it was the kid’s education, or the spouse’s, but the church ended up sending about $3K back, at least according to Ron. (Who ya gonna believe?)

    Of course, any funds that were given as part of the member’s 1T was off-limits, because that was God’s money, and Weinland could do with that money as he saw fit. Yes, he really did say that, and yes this is a common perspective in the Churches of God. (Which is just about the only place Weinland has not departed from Armstrongist doctrine.)

    I note he hasn’t made any such offers this year. But with the lawyers circling the wagons to try and stave off an extended stay in Club Fed, the Witless Weinlands have to milk the sheeple for all it’s worth, while they still can.

  • Toby says:

    Mike said

    ” We had a few earthquakes out in the Pacific a few weeks ago — anything more since then?”

    Hi Mike, Just so you know, there have been about 20 earthquakes over 2.5 every day for years, long before 2005 and Ron’s predictions. Check out this link
    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/index.php