False Prophet Math

False Prophet Ronald Weinland graduated in 1975 from unaccredited Ambassador College with a major in theology and a minor in math. I expect that his math courses were taken at the accredited institutions he attended prior to Ambassador. Ron puts his math minor to use in justifying his false prophecies.

This post discusses his new version of his 50th untruth, but first bear with me through a short math lesson. Any natural number can be computed as a product or multiplication of two or more natural numbers.  A special case are prime numbers: a prime number is a product only of 1 and itself.  The first few primes are 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, and 13.  Non-prime numbers can be expressed as a product of two or more prime numbers.

The number 1260 can be computed as a product of primes: 2 x 2 x 3 x 3 x 5 x 7.  The number 280 is a product of primes: 2 x 2 x 2 x 5 x 7.  Ron’s significant number 280 (sign of judgment and now mercy) has one more “2” as a factor and therefore does not divide evenly into 1260.  The result of the division of “time” into 1260 is 4.5 — or time, time, times, and half-a-time.  Ron throws away the first time as “judgment mercy” and is left with (ta-da) time, times, and half-a-time.

Ron has no biblical basis for his claim that a “time” is 280 days instead of 360 days, despite the convoluted explanation he gave last Saturday.  All he has is his disproven claim to be a prophet eligible to reveal new “truth”.  Daniel 12:7 mentions “time, times, and half-a-time” described by a man clothed in linen.  Which can’t be Ron, since he after all he is wearing sackcloth, right?

Daniel 12 follows up in verse 12 with “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.” right after verse 11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.”  So in Daniel, the 1335th day occurs after the 1260th day, but in Weinlandism the 1335th day occurs before the 1260th day since Weinland’s count is backwords.

All rather confusing.  But PKG members have it easy, all they have to do is to remember the latest “truth” or re-explanation of the “truth” as given by their spiritual idol, the false prophet Ronald Weinland.

Here are the dates associated with Weinland’s second version of the second timeline:

  • December 14, 2008: The first trumpet blew (silently).  Ron and Laura “began their jobs” while in Jerusalem after a jaunt to Cairo to tour the pyramids.
  • September 19, 2009: Feast of Trumpets: The end of the zeroeth “time” or 280 days into the not-so-Great Tribulation.  With 280 days being a sign of judgment, and Ron being too sick to speak that day.
  • February 6, 2010: Half-a-time or 140 days after Trumpets, 2009.  The PKG members are to fast, but only for one day.  Ron promises another barn-burner borer of a sermon this day.
  • June 26, 2011: Time.  Earliest that the European beast power will become active.
  • November 13, 2011: Time and half-a-time
  • April 2, 2011: Times
  • August 20, 2011: Times and half-a-time.  Latest that the European beast power becomes active.
  • January 7, 2012: Time and Times.  The 200-million-man Asiatic horde army might not become active until this time.  Yet somehow they will be able to assemble, arm, and mobilize this army of unprecedented size in less than 140 days and have it in place in the valley of Megiddo for the last few days of the Great Tribulation
  • May 22, 2012 at sunrise in Jerusalem: Ron and Laura are killed in the streets of Jerusalem
  • May 26, 2012: End of Time, Times, and Half-a-Time: Day before Pentecost.  Jesus Christ to return at sundown which ends this day and begins Pentecost.
  • May 27, 2012: Ron and Laura having been resurrected from the streets of Jerusalem begin their new jobs as rulers in God’s Kingdom.

Here’s yet another timeline from Weinland, as posted on his blog.  Ron’s upcoming trips are:

Oct. 24 Detroit, MI
Oct. 31 Las Vegas, NV
Nov. 7 Cincinnati, OH (with special guests, Wayne & Chris Matthews)
Nov. 14 Bowling Green, KY
Nov. 29 London, UNITED KINGDOM
Dec. 5 Erie, PA
Dec. 12 Detroit, MI
Dec. 19 Georgia
Dec. 26 Orlando, FL
Jan. 2 Portland, OR
Jan. 9 Spokane, WA
Jan. 16 Los Angeles, CA
Jan. 23 Dallas, TX
Jan. 30 Minneapolis, MN
Feb. 2 Cincinnati, OH
Feb. 9 Detroit, MI

Careful observers will note that certain of these dates are not Saturdays: Nov. 29 is a Sunday, and Feb. 2 and Feb 9 are both Tuesdays. Are these high days? No. Is Ron changing sabbath observance to other days of the week? I doubt it. Rather, I expect it’s just another exhibit of of False Prophet Math and Calendar Reading skills. Note: the February dates were corrected on Oct 22, but the Nov 29 date remains unchanged.

Since Ron expects to be able to travel well into February, the Great Tribulation is delayed for at least half-a-time even in his shortened timeline.  If the demise of the US is to occur by June and Ron will be able to travel into Feb., then the first 5 trumpets will have to blow quickly beginning in mid-February.  Wait a minute — the demise of the US was to be no later than last June, according to the last page of “2008 — God’s Final Witness”.  Just as my death from the inside was supposed to be quick, according to the death curse Ron called on me 43 weeks ago.


  • misfit says:

    I’d be interested to see if his daughter and son and their families will be spending Christmas with him in Orlando, Florida.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Jeremy lives in Germany and was in Cincinnati for a visit a few weeks ago with his wife. AFAIK, Jeremy’s wife is not in PKG.

    Audra and her husband might be there, though. Ron has taken them along on trips to help fill up the meeting room.

  • Whisper says:

    Timelines, timelines… timelines.
    Without a score-card and a trusty calculator it’s all but impossible to keep up with the latest changes and latest “valid” story.
    Ron’s math is terrible, especially so that he has a “minor” in it (accredited or not…).
    But one must remember that Ron is getting older and he placed himself in control of the Entire Church, all Timelines, all Prophecy, all Witnessing, and all revelation of Gods curtain call for this planet.
    That’s a lot of work and he must have been just tickled pink when he gave himself all these jobs as he could control everything and re-write all the rules to point at him as “the man”.
    But age and time have a way of causing the mind and body to slow down and all those jobs become harder and harder and so more and more mistakes are made.
    The true “gold” of older age is being able to focus on one trade and become a “master” of it! But Ron can not give away any of his duties as they will then no be “his” and “his” alone. So he becomes sloppy…
    Ron has a lot of pressure on him from failing prophecy to false statements and faulty math…
    I wonder if he saw it happening this way or is God teaching him a rather hard lesson?
    No matter, Ron can see the failure all around him but brush it aside only so long before even more faults appear in the platform he’s built to preach from. Eventually the whole thing falls apart.
    Does anyone else see how rickety his ship has become even now?
    All purpose repair-man Ron is becoming tired of all the constant repair, it’s only going to get worse.
    Didn’t Ellen White do the same thing and finally have to give it all due to constructing to many faulty towers?
    As Dill so eloquently states “Tick – Tock…”

  • J says:

    Anyone ever see “Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room”? It’s a book and documentary explaining just how intelligent, hard-working men can slowly devolve into criminals desperate to keep a lie alive. What was the documentary’s conclusion? Pride kept the lie going. Pride that they were at the top of their game and could not fail. Pride that they knew more than anyone else, knew how to do things better than anyone else, and no one could stop them. They lied so long to keep the company alive that they believed the lie. But as we all know, it was a house of cards.

    I see many parallels between Weinland and the Enron leaders, Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling.

    I have little doubt that Weinland truly BELIEVES what he is preaching. He’s in way too far to have any doubts. He’s committed 100% to it, even if he knew at one time it was a swindle. It’s amazing how the human mind can deceive itself. When all of this PKG stuff is over, this would make an interesting character study.

  • Whisper says:

    “I have little doubt that Weinland truly BELIEVES what he is preaching. He’s in way too far to have any doubts. He’s committed 100% to it, even if he knew at one time it was a swindle.”

    I would add that in the back of Ron’s mind there still is the swindler, still plotting all the $$, all the retirement year cost, the cost of cars when Ron is 75, the cost of private nurse care when Ron is 90, etc… This swindler in the back of Ron’s mind is always counting the $$ and reserving for Ron’s retirement, Ron’s comfort, and Rons lifestyle… Who is the real Ron? Does even Ron know?

  • J says:

    Yeah, same with the guys from Enron. You could never convince them they did anything wrong, even when they were being convicted. Weinland probably thinks that nothing he is doing is at all wrong, even the personal spending of tithes. The lie has become the truth to him.

    In Enron’s case, they were able to continue their house of cards because they had the appearance of being profitable. When they appeared profitable, they were able to deflect any scrutiny. As long as they met their projections, no one cared. People take what you say at face value. Weinland has the defense of “I’m a prophet” and somehow that answers and satisfies everyone willing to believe him. In Weinland were a business, he would be approaching bankruptcy but would be cooking the books to show a steady profit margin. I expect a similar fall.

  • AggieAtheist says:

    “Here are the dates associated with Weinland’s second version of the second timeline:”

    You know, I don’t think people can truly get a full picture of the extent of Weinland’s false prophecy without including the dates associated with the first timeline too.

    “February 6, 2010: Half-a-time or 140 days after Trumpets, 2009. The PKG members are to fast, but only for one day. Ron promises another barn-burner borer of a sermon this day.”

    So in other words, Weinland’s coasting until after the New Year. Winter holiday? Don’t forget to put up the decorations! Oh, wait. LOL

    “Careful observers will note that certain of these dates are not Saturdays: Nov. 29 is a Sunday, and Feb. 2 and Feb 9 are both Tuesdays. Are these high days? No. Is Ron changing sabbath observance to other days of the week? I doubt it. Rather, I expect it’s just another exhibit of of False Prophet Math and Calendar Reading skills.”

    I got in on the debunking bandwagon after Weinland’s Nov. 29, 2007, and Feb. 2, 2008 sermons, but I remember there were hints around the ex-CoG blogosphere that he was starting to ramp up the first timeline then. As to why he picked Feb. 9, 2009, let us compare the Feb 9, 2008 sermon, titled “45 Days to the Seventh Seal”.

  • AggieAtheist says:

    “AFAIK, Jeremy’s wife is not in PKG.”

    Ahahaha the ministurds’ kids always did live by a double standard!!

  • AggieAtheist says:

    “Weinland probably thinks that nothing he is doing is at all wrong, even the personal spending of tithes.”

    People in glass houses, J. Your Council of Elders spent the church’s tithes on a nice little retreat, after the GCE this year.

  • J says:

    ….To quoque

  • AggieAtheist says:

    Not trying to discredit you J, just pointing out that you’re not an impartial observer in this mess either, for those playing at home. When the first timeline started disintegrating, I had reports of both UCG and LCG sniffing around, trying to poach disillusioned members. Not that I’m saying you’re doing that. But readers of the blog should know that you are a member of the United Church of God, and so have some “stake” in Armstrongist doctrine and government.

    Oh, and how nicely you avoided answering my actual point. So, what DO you think of 68% of your tithes being spent on literature that’s ending up the same way the newsstand program did, back in the day? With the remaining 32% funding international trips for Victor Kubik, and fancy retreats for the rest of them?

    And yet you decry how Weinland spends his free money? But that’s fine, if you want to slip ‘n’ slide away from examining your own position, there’s nothing I can do about that. Except put the information out there, for any who might be misled in the idea that United is somehow “the lesser of the evils”.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thanks J. I got to expand my horizons a bit more and learn some Latin.

    Let’s take it easy on J. He’s got his hands full with his mother who is in PKG.

    And he himself has not tried to recruit anybody on this blog or anywhere else that I’m aware of.

  • J says:

    AggieAtheist, OK, you didn’t mean to discredit me, but that’s the vibe I get from your posts. I considered that an ad hominem attack, hence my first reply. For the sake of argument, let’s say UCG does misuse its money. It doesn’t make my argument about Weinland any less true.

    We all have our reasons (and dare I say, agendas) for being here. You spoke of impartial observers, well NONE of us are impartial observers. The negative history you have with WCG and Armstrongism affects the way you go about your business on these blogs. The positive history I have with UCG and negative history I have with PKG affects the way I go about my business on these blogs. Yes, we each have our own baggage, but the matter at-hand is Weinland. We should be listening to what we have to say, and not the reasons we say them. Let’s just take what we say at face value.

    To the matter you bring up, I don’t scrutinize what the Council does with its money, but as long as it is not spent in a way that would negatively affect me or the people I care about, we are on good terms. As far as that happening, I have not seen that. If it does, then I will leave. My allegiance is with God, not UCG. UCG is just an organization I attend to be with people of like minds. I give UCG 10% of my wages, plus offerings on holy days. I do that because I believe the Bible commands it. Weinland on the other hand, wants more. He wants an additional 10% (second tithe) as well, and that’s why I do not think it is fair to compare the way UCG and PKG handle their money. UCG provides for meeting halls, Feast sites, ministers, newsletters, magazines and other subsidies, resources that I can use. Just this last Feast, I have friends in my congregation who have not had jobs for over a year. The church provided them financial assistance and they were able to have a good Feast of Tabernacles. As long as they do things like that, I believe they are spending my money effectively. After servicing the brethren, if they have more to spend on other things, then fine. I don’t feel the services I listed are being neglected in any way. Perhaps this is naive of me, but I like keeping a positive outlook. But again, I see a big difference between the UCG Council and a man who threatens the Lake of Fire if you don’t pay up. UCG does not go after members who aren’t paying their tithes, yet Weinland does. I also have first-hand accounts of PKG not being as kind to the members who are financially strapped.

    To your other point, I do not poach members. I find that extremely disgusting. Nor do I try to preach and sway others. Shoving beliefs down another person’s throat never works. I learned that from my mother She tried it for several years (still does), and we no longer have a functional relationship.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    We’ve had this little off-topic conversation about the motives and financial management of UCG, a topic about which the subject of this blog also has expressed an opinion. Aggie and J have each expressed their points of view on UCG, and now we are ending that particular discussion on this blog. Any continuation on this blog will result in the use of my blog administrator superpowers.

    If one of you would like to continue the discussion, send me a private email and I will forward it with your email address to the other party, who can respond directly via email or not as he wishes.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Just wanted to let you all know I did get Raptured. But I was sent back. D’oh.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I guess God is prone to making mistakes. Gave Ron the wrong timeline, and then he raptured Kirrily. When will he get it right the first time?

  • Whisper says:

    God got it right the First time by allowing Ron to make a fool out of himself in private church sermons and on nationally cast radio shows (not to mention the terribly embarrassing Idea-City fiasco…). Ron’s a fool, and we all know it. Coincidence? Luck? Happen-stance? I think not…

    As for Kirrily coming back from her rapture, well God must think she has more words of wisdom to state, all a part of the plan 🙂

  • J says:

    Hmm, raptured and then returned? I hope you had a parachute. 😀

    Mike, thanks for letting me say my piece. I consider the matter settled if AA does.

  • AggieAtheist says:

    “I consider the matter settled if AA does.”

    Sounds fair to me. Interesting you mention they’ve done away with 2nd tithe, that wasn’t the impression I had. But let us remain on-topic as Mike suggests.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I didn’t read what J said to mean that UCG doesn’t teach its members to save up second tithe. Rather, they haven’t demanded that their members “send it in” as Ron has.

    Interestingly, Ron is not requiring that members send in their second tithe as he has the past two years.

  • J says:

    Just to clarify, we do observe second tithe, but we retain it for ourselves and then spend it during the Feast and other holy days. The home office neither requests nor requires that it be given to them.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I spent mine on a parachute.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    The parachute must have come in handy when you were unraptured.

  • Matt says:

    We will start a fund for Kirrily – once we reach our goal of 250 dollars, we will purchase her the specially blessed Re-Rapture ™ Trampoline. Please send all donations to me.

  • Whisper says:

    Who bless’s a “re-rapture” trampoline anywho? The Church of blessed elastic verticle re-orientating rapturing?

    Don’t give Ron any new ideas, he’s got enough bad ones of his own making…

  • RK says:

    “Just wanted to let you all know I did get Raptured. But I was sent back.”

    In your case, at least an attempt was made.

    In my case, I was totally ignored altogether.

    Oh well. We can all take heart. There’s plenty more rapture dates coming up in the future !!

  • AggieAtheist says:

    “The home office neither requests nor requires that it be given to them.”

    Not even the “tithe of the tithe”? How does the church afford the facilities and such? Or is that all out of 1T?

    (Considering the scumbag hotel United members “attended” the Feast in, in my area, I would say that’s likely. Especially given that there are only 11,000 members in the church, or so UCG tells us.)

    Sorry, off-topic again……

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I suspect that if enough members stay in the hotel then they get the meeting rooms for free.

  • AggieAtheist says:

    Huh, I never knew that. But I’m from the days when the church wouldn’t have been able to fit into a hotel meeting room, free or otherwise.