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The Weinland Gap

Tuesday, October 13th, 2009

Over on Jack’s blog, a PKGer has been criticizing me for my last post in which I stated:

The revised “time, times, and half-a-time” (or 980 days = 3.5 x 280 days) did not begin until Trumpets of this year, and ends not at Pentecost of 2012, but rather the day before.

I admit to missing a statement by False Prophet Ron toward the end of an anti-climactic yawn of a confusing sermon.  No silent editing of my post without explanation the way Ron did his sermon back in June.  I was wrong on that point.

First a bit of a review.  The false prophet’s second timeline began at sundown in Jerusalem on the evening prior to Sunday, December 14, 2008.  This timeline lasts 1260 days or exactly 180 weeks and ends with Christ’s return at sundown in Jerusalem on the evening prior to Sunday, May 27, 2012 which is Pentecost.  In his Last Great Day sermon, Ron explained away the lack of great tribulation as being due to God’s mercy holding off the tribulation for the first 280 days or 40 weeks which ended on and included September 19, 2009, the Feast of Trumpets.  With appropriate credit for the 2-day fast at the end of January, but with no mention that Ron was too ill to speak on this day of judgment.  And this period was somehow a fulfillment of the 6th and 7th thunders.  Which are the revelation of Ron and Laura as the Witnesses and also their unitarian God, but which were to have been revealed to the world during the 6th seal.  And still haven’t been revealed in any significant way beyond the few thousand people who’ve heard of Ron and his false prophecies.

Then Ron  redefined a “time” as referred to in Daniel chapter 12 verse 7 as 280 days, so time, times, and half-a-time is now 980 days instead of 1260.  The 1260-day great tribulation less the first 280 days just happens to leave a 980-day or 140 week period still ending at the same time to be accounted for.

But as the anonymous PKGer pointed out, Ron said:

What does all of this mean?  It means that after Trumpets of this year the final time, times, and a-half are now being fulfilled.  And as I said as we go forward, God is going to give a whole lot more.   This is also important to understand that now the last day, the day of Pentecost is counted into the 980 days. To me that’s an awesome thing to understand.

And the justification:

And why would God do that?  Because in its very meaning and definition it has to be there.  It has to be a part of it. And yet in the other things we were given before it has to come up to the time of the resurrection, because it can’t include the other day.  Awesome, to understand that some things point to in timing a day where a great resurrection is going to take place at a very moment in time and it can’t count the other day that follows.  And yet another part of God’s plan reveals you have to have the other day in it to have meaning, to have purpose, to have a part of what’s pictured in it.

I’d like to thank the Anonymous PKGer for pointing this out.  I must have been confused by what he said just before this:

The 280 days is his sign, his appointed time. …  The point is that the book of Daniel, the period of time, times, and and a half did not begin until the following day of Trumpets. That’s when times … the oath from God began.   It’s incredible.  And you figure it up.

Note: later developments show that I wasn’t quite so wrong after all.

Rather confusing.  Did the 980 days begin on Trumpets?  Or the day after Trumpets?  Guess it had to have been two days after Trumpets so that the 980 days could include Pentecost.  So we have 280 days of not-so-Great Tribulation ending on the Feast of Trumpets.  Then we have a one-day gap on the Sunday following Trumpets, followed by a 980-day period.  Why the one-day gap.   Well, uh …  just because.  Because it has to be that way, so that Pentecost 2012 can be included in the 980 days so that it has meaning and purpose.  OK.  Pentecost needs to be given meaning and purpose.  Must not let Pentecost be without meaning and purpose.

Ron added a day when it was convenient.  He’s also taken days away, actually 3 and 1/2 of them.  Elsewhere in the sermon, he said:

… because of the 1290 days, which took us up to November 14, 2008.  The Seventh Seal was opened.  But connected to that same day, of the Seventh Seal, was 30 minutes of silence, 30 days.  That took us up to a prophetic fulfillment of 30 days.  Which was a final 1260 days when two witnesses began their job.  And that’s really all that’s revealed about 1260 days. That you can understand, that God gave, that will constitute a certain witness.  Because that witness has to be for exactly 1260 days.   Some people had asked in the very beginning “if they’re dead for 3 & 1/2 days they can’t witness“.  Why not?  What can be a more powerful witness of what God has said?  Than the last 3 & 1/2 days!!  That’s going to be the most powerful witness of all God was doing.  Not because of what we say.

No argument there, Ron.  Not from me.  You asked “Why Not”?  Well, no matter that you and both agree that your dead bodies would be a powerful witness — God says otherwise: the Two Witnesses are to perform their 1260-day job while living.  In Rev 11:7, it states:

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Back from this digression.  The 980 day period is not a subdivision of Ron’s second timeline.  It’s actually a separate albeit overlapping timeline which is significant because, well, Ron says it is.  Yet another timeline, pieced together out out of thin air, just because.

Ron continued on with his justifications:

I don’t believe that things out there in the world by any stretch of the imagination are rapidly moving forward now, in way in what we might say “put on hold”.  They weren’t put on hold, they just weren’t allowed to take place yet. But to us it’s appeared as … we’re waiting.  And the most we’re seeing is an economy that seems to be, as the world wants it to be seen, picking up.  And yet we know that its day is coming as well.  And so all those things now are speeding forward.

And a little bit, just a little taste has been given to us already.  I have watched things on the USGS for years now.  Day by day by day.  I have never seen anything that’s taking place — and I have to believe that there are some scientists today who are deeply worried by what they see taking place — I have never seen anything taking place of the magnitude, that along the plates of the earth, that things are shifting the way they are,  and things are being shaken up the way they are, in swarms of quakes in regions of the world that’s like a rippling effect that continues on.  And that’s exactly what’s taking place right now.  And it’s an incredible thing to see.  Because it won’t be too long — it’s in the water right now.  And the worst it can do is a tsunami, and that hasn’t happened yet, it’s happened on a small scale but that’s nothing.  Woe be to mankind when some of those things begin to hit land in swarms.

How convenient. We’ve had a few earthquakes in the last few weeks, although nothing significant. And well past the due date for the Second Thunder which was to have increased during the Sixth Seal and didn’t. Which did not shake the earth to its foundations in April of 2008.   If we have a few more earthquakes, Ron will keep harping on them. And if we don’t have any, Ron will pretend he never mentioned them.  In the meantime we have another classic Weinlandism: “They weren’t put on hold, they just weren’t allowed to take place yet.

Also convenient that “time, times, and a half” are now disconnected from the 1260 day period. As the Great Tribulation continues to delay he can redefine a “time” to be a shorter and shorter period. And on the morning of May 23, 2012 when he and Mrs. False Prophet are scheduled to deliver the most powerful part of their testimony by lying dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 & 1/2 days, a “time” will be reduced to a single day.  Oops, I did it again — Pentecost has to be included, so a time won’t be reduced to a single day until the Witlesses have been dead for a day.  No matter.  Ron will have switched to yet another timeline by then, we’ll just have to decide whether to call it his third or his fourth timeline.