In Which I Speak for Myself

In Kirrily’s recent article hosted back on Don’t Drink the Flavor Aid, she stated:

I won’t speak for Mike, but I believe that if everything had indeed occurred as Ron said they would, that Mike would have believed that Ron was who he said he was!

I can speak for Mike, ;) and here’s what I say:

Ron published his book “2008 — God’s Final Witness” in November of 2006. Let’s pretend that the following events had taken place between that publication date and early April of 2008 when I began this blog:

  • A terrorist event here in the US exceeding that of September 11.
  • Multiple earthquakes in the US exceeding those of the 1989 San Francsisco earthquake and the 1994 Los Angeles Northridge earthquake.
  • Multiple weather events effecting the US each of which exceeded the damage of Hurricane Katrina.
  • An economic problem exceeding that which later came to a head in September of 2008.
  • The deaths of certain CoG ministers: Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, David Pack, and John Ritenbaugh. (Yes, I’m aware of some of these individuals, and even played with Meredith’s son as a child.)
  • A sustained death rate of celebrities and notables far exceeding those of late June and early July.
  • A major pandemic exceeding the current swine flu pandemic and rivaling that of 1918/1919.
  • The appearance of Ron and Laura on major TV news magazine shows such as “60 Minutes” and “20-20″, or at least a serious article in a magazine like Times or Newsweek.
  • A noticeable religious movement rejecting the trinity doctrine and going further to reject Jesus as having eternally existed, reserving that status for Yahweh Elohim alone.

Let’s say all of the above had happened to fulfill Ronald Weinland’s Seven Thunders prophecies. Or that similar events of the same order of magnitude had occurred except that the 5 specific ministers had still died. In that case, I might have remained skeptical as to whether Ron and Laura were the Two Witnesses, but would not have started a blog mocking the False Prophet and False Prophetess. After all, my first post following the introductory post was to debunk his Second Thunder.

And let’s say the following occurred after April 17th, 2008:

  • The Pope began making political overtures to nations of the United States of Europe, particularly Germany
  • During the seven weeks following 4/17/08, vegetation in the US began a massive die-off for some reason, with concurrent animal deaths as their habitat was destroyed, to fullfil Ronnie’s First Trumpet prophecy as prophesied on Weinland’s blog.
  • Bob Thiel of cogwriter.com and Gavin Rumney of Ambassador Watch announced the ending of their blogs due to health reasons, or even simply stopped updating them, indicating that Ron’s curses against his mockers were effective.

Then I would have had to admit the possibility that Ron and Laura were indeed the two witnesses, that their curses against their mockers were effective, and that their prophecies were true. And if these events had been followed up with specific weather events declared in advance by Ron and Laura and “nukular” detonations in US port cities by mid-July of last year, then I’d have had no choice but to admit that Ron and Laura were indeed the Two Witnesses of Revelation chapter 11. Perhaps I would include myself in the hordes joining their church and be a part of the tithe of the third of the US population or 10 million people to survive the remaining trumpets and live on into the new age.

But absolutely none of this happened. Not even close. Let’s say that world events had gone on exactly as they actually have, but that in Weinland-land some events were different. And that I had started my blog as I did in April of 2008.

Let’s say that on June 8, 2008 (Pentecost) Ron had honored his “If by Pentecost” declaration of March 29, 2008 and announced that, since the effects of the First Trumpet were not powerfully and abundantly clear, he was turning over that day’s church services to either of his evangelists Wayne Matthews or Johnny Harrell. Also that his replacement backed off from any prophetic declarations or characterizations of the Weinlands as the Witnesses.

And let’s say that by July 31, Ronald Weinland had declared that he was indeed a False Prophet, apologizing to the members of his church for misleading them, and announcing that he would be resigning as the head of “the Chuch of God, Inc.” by September 1, 2008 with his only official acts being those necessary to facilitate a smooth, legal transition to his successor.

If all of this alternative scenario had happened, I would still have started my blog in April of last year as I did. But my blogging would have tapered off in June of last year after he quit preaching. And by July I would have shut down my blog without publishing the photos of his $381,000 mansion on a golf course. Nor would I have publicized the existence of the IRS criminal investigation of Ronald Weinland. And if you think that’s “no big deal”, then google “IRS Criminal Investigation” and see how many other specific criminal investigations are mentioned at all, while Weinland’s is mentioned twice in the first 3 pages of results. Ron, you are truly a unique individual.

Ron, if your prophecies had been true, then I wouldn’t be blogging. Or if you had been true to your word, I wouldn’t be blogging either. Either way, Ron, it’s all your fault.

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8 Comments

  • todd says:

    yep, you can bet if his “prophesies” were true, i think there would be a lot of people turning to follow rw already.
    but, as it turns out, he is the insane, lying false prophet by his own definition.

  • Whisper says:

    I agree with Mike, if Ron’s predicitons had come true and news media had flocked to his door BECAUSE of the prophacies comeing true, not in part mind you but in 100% whole so there are no loose ends, then I would be reading Rons site and very likely be listening to his sermans.

    By the time all the thunders came true, not again in part but in WHOLE, i would still not know of Ron unless the media plastered his face all over the TV, Radio and Internet. But once 2 massive strokes like the 1st and 2nd Trumpet took place with massive plant life dieing off and “nukular” explosions going off Rons message of himself being Gods Final Witness would have brought millions and millions over to him and he would be an Icon of God!

    But the facts are that the thunders failed miserably… and the 1st trumpet was an unmitigated disaster (pardon the pun).
    All swings and no hits…
    Poor Ron.

  • angel says:

    In my mind, this scenario is pure speculation because of the fact that RW was a follower of the false prophet HWA. How could someone who believed in and supported someone who made false prophecies be anything but a false prophet himself? The fact that RW’s prophecies failed was as inevitable as the ground being wet after the rain. The most sensational thing about his prophecies was the unmitigated gall he had in making them!

    Personally, I don’t believe anyone has to offer excuses for not believing someone who turned out to be a false prophet. Deut. 18:20-22 is all the explanation we need to give.

    RW has given us the opportunity to see a false prophet in action; he truly has.

  • DRMR says:

    “Personally, I don’t believe anyone has to offer excuses for not believing someone who turned out to be a false prophet. Deut. 18:20-22 is all the explanation we need to give.”

    The thing that amazes me is how the people who follow the Ron Weinland types can look at Deut. 18:20-22, and it just doesn’t click.

    For some reason, when they look at that scripture, they neither believe it or obey it.

    I don’t get it.

  • Dill Weed says:

    You bunch of Weinland bashers! : D

    Your comments are showing up at ideaCity.

    Dill Weed and Dill Weed, Jr.

  • Whisper says:

    “The thing that amazes me is how the people who follow the Ron Weinland types can look at Deut. 18:20-22, and it just doesn’t click.”

    Followers yes, but how about Ron himself? It amazes me that the human mind can be such a play ground for the imagination that the very many who deems himself the premier teacher of the bible and now speaker for God can just breeze by that scripture and imagine that it doesn’t mean what others think it means or that he himself by his spoken and written words have “abridged” that little pesky verse as not applying to him personally…

    The “I want” will always trump logic and fact because logic & facts do not pander to the minds desire while “I want” does.

    Go figure?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I still find it extraordinary that I PURPOSELY ignored things (like Duet) so I could KEEP BELIEVING. I just did not want to be wrong.

    It’s amazing what you can do with your mind.

    If I was doing that, imagine what Ron would have to do to keep believing!! Again though, he doesn’t have to WORK for a living – so he is able to more effectively live in fantasy land.

  • jack635 says:

    Perhaps you are spiritually dead, because you can’t understand what “god” has given to Ron. And since you are not giving to Ron, you’re dead to him. If you start tithing to Ron (not one of those evil churches that read what’s in the bible), he can baptise you and lay his hands on you and you will speedily be alive again. Remember now, that’s ten percent of your paycheck, NOT ten percent of what’s left over after paying the bills.(or you will go back to being spiritually dead very quickly)

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