A Milliliter of a Second
Yesterday False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in Virginia. He gave his own opening prayer because it seems that his elder Dave Conley who gave the closing prayer was the only one else present with the ability to do so. I wonder if someone from the family which left could have done that. In any case no one in the area has grown since June of 2008 when Weinland was last in Virginia as he had to give one of the prayers on that visit. Also it seems that traffic hasn’t improved in Virginia since then as someone was again stuck in traffic. (Hint: leave earlier. Scratch that — leave Ron.)
Weinland protested in response to some comments that he’d received that the title of his book is still relevant despite “2008″ in it’s title. Last year was God’s final witness. Makes you wonder why Ron is still spending money in 2008 on Google ads to promote it since the witnessing is over.
Since nothing is happening right now, he is diverting their attention further in the future, when millions from the scattered nations of Israel will be drawn into the the Church of God – PKG.
Ron talked about people stuck in groups by pride — the two witnesses have to come from their group. Also about prideful deacons and ministers who feel that others should understand what they know. God works through Government. When HWA was alive, there was no one closer to God than him. So when HWA died and passed the mantle on to Joe Tkach, Weinland sinned by not following him.
I have a couple of questions of Ron:
- What is a milliliter of a second?
- How many of them will it be before I suffer my speedy death from the inside that you cursed me with 33 weeks ago?
If 2008 WAS God’s final witness, then there is absolutely no need to spend one more dime promoting a book that is out of date and irrelevant. Must be Ron’s pride that keeps him advertising it.
I am quite enjoying “the great tribulation” that we are in. If Ron was right, we should all be loathing our existence by now and in sheer panic for our lives, which is clearly what Ron said would happen by now and is equally clear not to be the case.
The bottom line is, God is not working through Ron. He can’t. You know why? Ron preaches a different gospel. “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!”
You hear that Ron? You hear that COG-PKGers? Eternally condemned!
GFW and PET are a mill stones around his neck. He avoids prophecy like the plague these days. He may need to revisit it when millions are pounding at the gates with tithes in hand. : D
He really seems to be just mailing it in these days. I think he is bored by his own sermons. He has a formula I’ve detected. I think he has settled in until the LGD.
How long before members start grumbling? Will we have to wait for a full time to pass? Given the length of this con, I wonder what his end game is. I think there are going to be some very angry members when this all washes out. He barely mentions Thunders or Trumpets any more. I think he is lulling his audience to sleep. I believe members are date conscious. We shall see.
Dill Weed
As Kirrily said, in order to simply BELIEVE in Ron, you’d have to ignore any pre-50th truth sermons as well as the book just so you could erase doubt.
As each day passes, the book becomes more and more dead weight. I’m surprised Weinland just doesn’t cut it loose. But I guess he can’t since it’s the backbone of his ministry.
Wonder if he’s just biding his time for the United split? Word on the street has it most of those sheeple will go to Spanky, though, so there’s that.
How’s that Fifth Thunder coming along Ronnie?
….crickets….
Who is Spanky?
We’re going to have to put together a CoGger secret decoder ring
Spanky is Rod Meredith of the Living CoG, who is always talking about God spanking the wicked. And some suspect him of having a spanking fetish, although I personally wouldn’t know. I imagine his son got spanked when we were out playing together, lost track of time, and were late getting back for services.
Spanky LOL!!!
I like the idea of a decoder ring
What is a milliliter of a second?
It probably comes from Ron’s “spiritual plane”. In Ron’s fantasy world he can pour time into a vessel and then pour it out into little tiny milliliter cups.
So if Ron has the ability to see time in a liquid form, I’m sure he can pour it wherever he wants to with his awesome witness powers.
Then again, Mark’s comment at 12:55 indicates he is “eternally condemned” for preaching his whacko views and lying about Jesus, so he might be measuring his milliliters of seconds in Club Fed if the IRS has anything to say about it.
A milliliter of a second can be thrown on the pile of Ron’s amazing revelations along with other profound statements like It’s not just about the trumpets, it’s about the thunders and You will die.
By the way, it took me about 60 milliliters to type this reply.
The liquidity of time as outlined by Jack is indeed highly plausible.
Not only is it easier to swallow, but the degrees as to which it can be understood can be measured by its recipients ability to disipher information ‘given’ by God, through Jesus, to Ron – and accepted unconditionally by the drinker. Ingestion of the flavoured drink results in greater knowledge, understanding, and heightened sense of ‘oneness’ with the likeminded.
Jack – this is truly profound.
Yum – this rum and coke is good, mixed with flavour aid of course.
Where alcohol abounds, knowledge increases. Where knowledge increases, evidence of excessive drinking exists. Excessive drinking leads to beliefs of one being God’s Final Witness, pre-empting the identity of the second witness – before the knowledge was revealed.
There enlies the reality of insanity.
(Wow, I HAVE had too much to drink tonight)
My cup surely overfloweth with Rum.
see, it’s things like this that made me decide to quit drinking 11 years ago…LOL
i’m still waiting for the final “truth” to come out….when RW admits he is a fraud…..he has to fess up sooner or later.
“i’m still waiting for the final “truth” to come out….when RW admits he is a fraud…..he has to fess up sooner or later.”
That, my friend, would take a moment of sane-ness to “admit” anything.
Why do you think Ron would ever come up for air? Admitting one being wrong is not one of Rons strong points, in fact beyond the failed timeline (which Jesus gave him wrong so as to shake out the loose flakes of faithlessness) when has Ron ever admitted he was wrong?
Why would he start now?
For Rons eventual wounded ego it would be much better to simply fade away than admit anything.
No matter, the 51st truth will form a new time-line (without actually calling it a “new” timeline) or some such. When you have a ready form of cannon-fodder to feed into the battle you use them, in this case his very own followers. Keep them on a steady diet of “flavor-aid” and they will remain docile and keep writng the checks to keep Ron & wife in thier current lifestyle & forming a huge nest egg.
Ron has finally smartened up to stop the future telling bit as it is not working out. But he is becoming more and more boring by the moment. It’s a fine line he walks, he needs big events or big prophecy of future events to keep the rank and file very loyal, the more time one spends doing nothing when everyone you depend upon is expecting you to do “everything” then the more those same people become disillusioned as time goes by.
Still waiting… yawn…
“Admitting one being wrong is not one of Rons strong points, (Unless it is to point out his great humilty),has Ron ever admitted he was wrong?” Yes.
Ron spent a good portion of a sermon recounting how he was rude to a cab driver who had ripped him off. And get this, Ron speaking about it was a example of his great humilty. : D
Can the 51st Truth change the length of a time? Can it change the length of 1260 days? Ron has committed himself to this time frame and the beginning of his ministry repeatedly. People are shelling out 10% of their incomes and waiting for The End.
I think we are in the calm before the storm.
Tick Tock
Dill Weed
Ron seems to get ticked off and rude to anyone who stands in his way. His latest tirade against Moses is a good example. I think he thinks that being a witness must mean that he is confrontational and condescending. That’s the extent of his witnessing, if that can even be considered a good trait. That man has a lot of anger and resentment in him. It bleeds from his every pore. That anger stems from an inflated view of himself and what he “deserves” in this life. The very opposite of humility.
Did anyone notice how Weinland talks for God in this past week’s sermon? Weinland made the claim that when Moses was alive there wasn’t anyone closer to God than Moses on earth. How would Ron know for sure? Has Ron been presumptuous, yet again? A few minutes later he spoke that when HWA was alive; there was not anyone on earth closer to God, than Herb. How does Ron confirm such claims? Yea, I remember he can say anything because he believes that he is God’s witness. I was waiting for Ron to make the claim that there is not anyone closer to God than himself on earth. He didn’t make the claim, but I am sure that he was thinking that he has the closest relationship to God on earth presently. I wonder if God really ranks his chosen people in some type of order depending on how good they are to him and how long they are in prayer with him. HWA and Weinland theology has to do with power and the position one can obtain once they are given eternal life. I hope both of these fools are given the opportunity to spend eternity isolated and listening to harp music together recounting the good old days.
Hi Jacob, I don’t listen to his sermons anymore, but I am sure that is the message he was trying to convey – that indeed he is the closest to God on the planet right now. Probably trying to get his followers feeling guilty about their own relationship with God too.
It will be interesting to see what he does with this new truth. Wouldn’t it be a classic if he changes it to a 7 year tribulation!!!
“I know we have always THOUGHT it was going to be a 3.5 year Tribulation, but God is testing us again. He wants to get rid of more goats in PKG, and had revealed to me that indeed, the GT will go for 7 years. Times, time and half a time times two.
The first 3.5 years is spirtual – including all 7 trumpets – the first one was blown in December – that is why there is no physical destruction yet. ALL the trumpets will be blown spiritually first. The remaining 6 will ALL blow BEFORE the first 3.5 years expires in 2012. The SECOND 3.5 years will start with PHYSICAL tribulation (physical fulfillment of the spiritual trumpets blown during first 3.5 years), and the second blowing of all 7 trumpets – this time all PHYSICAL.
We do have to wait until 2015 for Christs return however – and that will just test everyone’s faith again now, won’t it”.
I know, I know, unlikely – but hey, stranger things have come out of Ronnie’s mouth!! If the above happens though, it will mess up the 50th truth about Christ returning on Pentecost. Maybe Ron can muck around with the 1/2 hour of silence or something to ensure Christ returns on Pentecost 2015 – I know though, this is highly unlikely, but it would give Ron a lot longer in time….
I know that a lot of other people think the GT is 7 years, maybe Ron could do this too? There must be some scriptural interpretation to back this up??
I see Ron thinking he is GFW until the day he dies.
Whoa! Very creative!!!
I thought you had an out for ole Ron their, until the 5oth Tru… nail in his prophetic coffin. : D
Q: Does the 50th Truth specify May 2012? Or just Pentecost?
I believe he has locked himself in to tight. Scarey though, he’d have to weave an awfully good story… one that explains his previous claims.
Then the question, why didn’t God give correctly the first time? Seems he’s used that one already.
Dill Weed
2 x (time, times, & half-a-time) puts the return of Christ at Nov 8, 2015. LGD of 2015 is Oct 7, or 32 days earlier. If it were 30 days then he could tack “a half hour of silence” on the end — or maybe in the middle. And yes, the 50th “truth” has Christ returning Pentecost of 2012. From the PKG website:
So unless Ron is going to modify a “truth”, his 51st will have to layer on top of the other 50 somehow.
Nice one, Kirrily. That’s entirely plausible, so let us all stay tuned for more of Ron. Same bats**t-time, same bats**t-channel!
Mike, believe the 51st will supplement the 50th. Ron is not in the habit of changing things, just amending them. The first timeline was never “wrong”, it was “changed”. When you CHANGE something, you inherently have to admit error, but when you amend something, you’re maintaining the status quo. Take the US Constitution for example. If Ron’s theology was the US Constitution, he’d be on what….the 80th Amendment?
Somehow in his mind, he’ll make it all gel together. And his flock will eat it up tenfold. Ron doesn’t even have to defend his preachings. His followers who are so desperate to be right will make it work all by themselves. As time goes by, and as the deadline narrows, I believe there will be less dissent in Ron’s church. Why? They will have more to lose if they admit it was all false. They can’t let that happen. They will only get more fanatical, even if in the back of their minds, they know something is terribly wrong.
J said: “In related news, my mother asked my brother (a Protestant) in IM this past Sunday “so, how was Satan’s church today?” …..Her mentality, so sad.”
I hate to say it J, I really do, but I have said the EXACT same thing. I can’t believe it now, but I must be honest here so people can ‘see’ what happens to people.
I guess with Ron’s ‘timings’ on things, don’t forget – HE DOESN’T HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING like the rest of us. He has ALL DAY EVERY DAY to think up all this junk!! No wonder his imagination get’s the better of him!!
If only the man had have written fictional novels – they would have made a great read, and no harm would’ve been done.
“Somehow in his mind, he’ll make it all gel together. And his flock will eat it up tenfold. Ron doesn’t even have to defend his preachings. His followers who are so desperate to be right will make it work all by themselves.”
Oh this is so true. When people “NEED” something they will do whatever mental gymnastics are required to “MAKE” it work for them.
The key word is “NEED”. Human beings have “NEEDS”, they make up these “NEEDS” and convince themeselves that it is “IMPERATIVE”, that they would not be whom they are if they did not “HAVE” what they think they “NEED”.
This has always been a human tragedy and one that Jesus Christ came to teach us that all we need is “GOD”, everything else is a luxury item. We don’t need a GFW 2008 book, we don’t need a pastor Ron, we don’t need a great tribulation, we dont need all these things, we need God. It really might be that simple, and a hard lesson it is to learn something so very simple.
When you “NEED” you will re-order all reality in your head so that you can have your “NEED”. People arm themselves with guns when they think they “NEED” something. People will hurt there fellow man to feed a “NEED”. Ron’s followers “NEED”. They don’t “want” anymore, they “NEED”. They wil do what ever they have to to attain thier “NEED”.
It’s human nature to have needs.
It’s IMO Gods purpose to convince us that we don’t have to have “NEEDS” beyond the very Need of God, and God will fulfill that “NEED”, you don’t have to hurt anyone to get it. But you do have to hurt other people to satisfy your own “NEED”. Unfortuantily J’s mother is a prime example of this, but she is in our prayers.
Nothing is so insidious as what Ron Weinland is continuing. Using the foundation of Herbert W Armstrong,s truthful interpretations and twisting them to insnare people searching for the truth and obtaining financial short term gain. This purpetuated crime against God will be judged along the lines of the punishment Satan will receive for deceiving humanity.
I wish I had red HWA,s book (Mystery Of The Ages) before Mr Weinland,s two publications.I would have saved $167 Australian. I guess we will just have to be patient and see which COG splinter is the true remnant of the original Church of God that Jesus founded on his first coming. I have a feeling I know the true splinter but have not approached them as yet or if I should. I Know I have been awakened but how do I know if it is a calling? The calling to avoid the one thousand year sleep and join as one of the 144000. At leased sleeping for one thousand years we will be able to make our most important decision of our entire existence with out any deception.
When the two End-Time Prophets rise up, as I have previosly stated. These Prophets will not need to alert the secular world and traditional christianity that are in total ignorance or under Satan,s hideous deceptions. The power of their word alone will convince all who are vigilant and watchful in belief and faith.
Hi Roger:
Be very careful since Weinland is not the only wolf among the Armstrongite splinters preying upon the sheep. As far as prophesy, HWA was no angel either. Check out this article by xHWA.
Thanks: Mike, I will scrutinize.I do not like to consider myself one of the sheeple.