My Demonic Powers
In February of last year, a couple who were drinking Weinland’s Flavor Aid at the time started a thread on a forum in New Zealand, posting as “discipleelohim” and “Anticipation of Peace”. I say “at the time”, because a few months later they come to their senses and departed from PKG.
But the thread continued on with intermittent activity. A few days ago, one of the forumites there reposted the poem that Kirrily wrote which I posted on Don’t Drink the Flavor Aid. “ptr775″ immediately responded
I know Kirrily personally, and therefore have a much greater perspective on that situation that you ever will, so so don’t even bother going there.
implying that there is some dark mysterious secret to her departure from PKG. Makes you wonder what stories Deputy Wayne has been telling.
Kirrily took exception to that, reposting her analysis of “2008 God’s Final Witness“. To which ptr775 started squawking Ron-speak, accusing her of being “anti-Christ” and other similar statements. He ended with
These people are using you to spread their hate of the truth, {blather}
My, my. I’ll bet that ptr775 has a string hanging out of his back, which if pulled and then released will retract slowly into his body as he recites Ron-isms. If only I did have such powers to influence someone almost half-way around the world. I could put these powers to lucrative use closer to home. 
For the record, I did not tell Kirrily what to write. It was on her own initiative that she wrote the poem and the other material and offered it to me to publish. If anyone is being “used”, it is I. Not that I mind — keep up the good work, Kirrily 
(as long as you feel the need).
Tags: exPKG
I know Kirrily personally, and therefore have a much greater perspective on that situation that you ever will, so so don’t even bother going there
I am sure the author of that comment was referring to the standard COG position of disfellowshipped members that are to be shunned:
“They have turned away from the truth and embraced Satan” Oh well, in the words of that certainly dead man, Herbert W Armstrong: Poppycock!
As for your “demon powers” Mike, a demon cannot tell the truth. And all you are doing is telling the truth. Ronald Weinland says you are printing garbage. So therefore, Ronald Weinland “author of 2008 God’s Final Witness” & “the end-time prophet” believes that the truth is garbage.
All I can say is that it is going to hurt so much more as May 2012 draws closer and the realization that Ron is not God’s prophet begins to dawn. I imagine some of those firrst rays will come as hints of doctrinal change.
I always come back to the question, “How can you take back claiming to be a Witness of Revelation and mistaking the start of your ministry (twice) and have a shred of credibility?”
Tick Tock, I get tickled thinking about it.
Dill Weed
The people in COG-PKG are mindless drones. They can’t think for themselves which is illustrated every time one of them posts something anywhere on the Internet. They would rather trash an ex-member than rock the mental boat of their insanity.
Seriously, these are reply’s from a true blue Wienland follower, these are not made up:
“Ron only got the first timeline wrong because he had previously been taught that Christ was to return on the day of Trumpets 2011, so he counted back from that date, then it was revealed to him that Christ was to return on the Day of Pentecost, taking it to may 27th 2012, the first harvest, not trumpets, trumpets symbolizes the start of the tribulation. Everything has been running on track since.”
?????? So who, again, taught Ron that Christ would return on the day of Trumpets 2011 again? The same guy who then revealed to Ron that it’s gonna be the day of Pentecost 2012????
Again, the reply above was serious and has not been revised in any way.
“The first trumpet was to be symbolic of taking away of the prosperity, (prophetically the green grass, trees etc), this is coming to pass. The second trumpet is the nukes in the US, which could happen any time. When that happens it will shut a few mouths, but not most, because most are filled with too much pride.”
The first trumpet occurance has been “coming to pass”????
So like whatever happened to the book GFW 2008 where the first trumpet event of 1/3 of the grass and plants dieing being “exactly what this means”?
Again, seriously, this responder above is now editing what Weindland writes just like Weinland edits what is written in the Bible. Is not delusion a heady cup?????
Mark 09:04
“They would rather trash an ex-member than rock the mental boat of their insanity.”
Hear, Hear.
Hey Kirrily,
Nice smackdown you gave ptr775 there. As expected, he glossed over what you wrote for things he could nitpick at. Typical.
I find it HILARIOUS and ironic that anyone from PKG could label others “antichrist”. The very soul of COG-PKG is antichrist.
They deny the divinity of Christ.
They say Jesus was a created being.
They label the Apostle John a liar, since John 1 is not to be trusted.
They say Jesus told the Jewish mockers he was God ONLY so that “they will believe what they want to believe” (that Jesus was a blasphemer and should be stoned), in effect LYING.
They say Jesus tells Ron multiple timelines, in effect calling Jesus a LIAR once again.
Say to any one of them “Jesus has always existed. He is the Word, and has existed along with God forever” and they’ll label you a fool.
Also nice calling him out on visiting blogs and message boards against the direct orders of Weinland and Matthews. I see he hid away there, along with a couple other observers. Wouldn’t want to risk your salvation by typing words into a keyboard, now would you? Hm, I wonder where in the Bible that’s written…
You have to remember, no offense to Kirrily, that largely the members in Ron’s church aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed, if you know what I mean. Ron is not a sheep, but a wolf dressed in sheep’s clothing. He’s devouring them at every turn, yet they are ignorant of that fact. What he is doing is a stench in the nostriles of God. Ron will stand accountable to God at some point, you can be sure of that. Although I don’t know Ron’s heart, his actions, words make me question whether he truly is a Christian. Again, I don’t know- God will sort that out. Although I wouldn’t refer to him as a “brother in Christ”, let’s be clear on that.
I don’t know that it’s accurate to generalize about the intelligence levels of PKG members. Yes, following Ron is a dumb thing to do. But otherwise smart people do dumb things — if each us thinks back about our own past we’ll recognize that. Sometimes emotions get in the way of reason, because we are human after all.
I base my judgment solely on the fact that 50% of the people who posted on other boards, who claim to be Weinland supporters and/or followers, can barely write coherent sentences. Outside of a couple of people who posted here, like Kirrily, I dont think I am too off base in my assessment. But, smart people can do dumb things, that’s for sure.
BTW, I realize that “don’t” has an apostrophe. What I am talking about goes beyond an occasional mistake or two. If language is difficult, then you can understand, to a degree, why one would look to someone else to do the reading, or not read a whole lot yourself.
I have the impression that the severely grammatically challenged PKGers tend to be the recent converts drawn in by Google ad-words such as “2012″ and other doom-and-gloom type keywords. Also tend to be conspiracy oriented. But that’s the demographic that Ron was chasing, wonder if he really likes what he’s getting.
It has taken me a while to reply to this because I haven’t been able to stop laughing!!!
I am seriously finding it rather embarrassing now that I was ever part of PKG.
Whisper – that response from Ptr775 that you have mentioned was told to us by Ron – this because the ‘new understanding’ blah blah blah (ie. not actual physical destruction).
PKGers PURPOSELY have to IGNORE what was written in Ron’s books, stated in his sermons etc – so you could KEEP BELIEVING. For example, once the first timeline failed, I did NOT listen to any sermons previous to I think June 2008 (ie. listening to Ron talk about first timelines etc) – because I did not want to ruin my faith! I am being serious you know – this is the type of behavior I engaged in to PROTECT my beliefs – that Ron was true.
Surely all the others are doing similar things to protect their ‘faith’ that Ron is who he says he is.
Mark – no offence taken
I agree to a great extent. I think some are more prone to be ‘brain washed’ than others – I do also think that those attracted to Ron in the first place as doomdayers – as I was. My area was the belief of a total financial collapse. Couple those beliefs with my relegious ones, well, Ron was impossible for me to resist.
Ah – the saga continues……
Should I change my name from ‘Kirrily XPKG’ to ‘AntiChrist’?
BTW – I don’t know what I would have done without Mike’s blog.
This has been my safe place to talk about things, which has mainly been for my own benefit. Anything else good that has come about by me sharing my stories and journey here, well, all the better.
I think I have said here before, that because Ron told us never to go to other relegious websites (if you have the TRUTH, why would you need to?) and participate on blogs such as this – well, I obeyed.
It was not until the day I left that I went to other websites – and another XPKG member told me of Mike’s blog.
Thanks again for everything Mike! (If Ptr775 is right, then Mike’s the one showing witness powers! Putting things ‘into my mind’ from halfway accross the planet!!) – It’s SO FUNNY!!
Dill, are you ‘putting things into my mind’ too? (LOL!!!
I am seriously finding it rather embarrassing now that I was ever part of PKG.
Kirrily,
Don’t be embarassed. Everything happens for a reason. You can personally set some of them free by your comments here.(and probably have) Anyone who searches for Ronald Weinland will see a link to this site on the first page of Google results. It is also in the prime spot of the middle of the page. Many searchers skip the first few results because of the advertising and spam probabilities. I guarantee that a majority of PKG’ers with computers have read your comments and are also starting to ask themselves questions.
On another note, since so many PKG’ers are going to be abandoning RW after they discover he is false, should we be sendiing tithes to Mike now? I can only imagine how many thousands of dollars a month this website costs to put on the internet. And then there is all the special equipment needed to run the site.
I once sent a personal email to a COG minister, asking him how much it cost to run his website. Since I know how much a website costs to purchase and run, I automatically labelled him a lying thief. I have seven sites of my own and I know it is cheap to do this. One terrabyte of bandwidth per month costs $149.15 per year. That includes 100GB of server disk space, BTW. The google blogger and wordpress are absolutely free, and some of them are rather large dynamic sites.
Again, don’t be embarassed Kirrily. Your inside information is being proclaimed to the PKG members, who are told not to listen to their own minds and that Ron is the king who must be obeyed and showered with roses.(money, gold, property, and 401K early cash outs)
“I can only imagine how many thousands of dollars a month this website costs to put on the internet. And then there is all the special equipment needed to run the site.”
I was about to say that it costs a little bit less than that to run this site, but then I see that statement was tongue-in-cheek. (But send me your tithes anyway
) ILFPRW does spend a little bit more on bandwidth for the streaming audio of his sermons to acolytes and critics, but the $199/month plan should cover those costs. Less than one tithe slave needed to finance that.
Wow! Either I’m getting undercharged or the people buying the 1TB plan for $799.00/month are getting ripped off. My bandwidth of 1TB / month for text, graphics, or streaming video/audio is $149.15/year or……$12.43/MONTH. If I buy my webhosting for three years in advance the price goes down to $99/year.
Then of course there is google blog which is free. I took a look in the gadgets available and audio files gadget is available….FREE. I am sure there would be a limit though.
Ooops. I just checked to make sure I was right about all this. My monthly bandwidth is THREE terrabytes per month. And that’s enough to start my own television show. Preachers who say they are paying thousands of dollars a month for their websites, are either paying someone too much to run them, or they are LIARS and THIEVES.
Streaming audio to hundreds of simultaneous listeners costs a bit more than run-of-the-mill web hosting. I imagine ILFPRW pays the Swiss web hosting company a lot less than that to host all of his other sites. But it wouldn’t surprise me that he pays Jeremy a salary to act as webmaster, which would require 2-3 hours per week of his time tops.
I have heard rumors for years that ministers don’t pay 2nd or 3rd tithe but I don’t know if is true. So a question for any ex cog ministers, did you 2nd tithe on your income? or pay 3rd tithe?
and can anyone tell me what 401K early cash outs are?
Hey Toby,
I paid 2nd Tithe to PKG – to be fair though, I think they told us to pay a total of 17.5% and save the remainder for ourselves – I am a little grey on this though. I decided to pay the full 20% because I am useless at saving, so thought may as well title the whole 20% – that’s why I can’t remember the exact percentage they told us to pay, (ie. whether 15% total or 17.5% total – it was one or the other though).
I believe at some point they told us to only pay 10% again, but I can’t remember when – and to save the other 10% (2nd tithe) for the ‘part feast’ in 2008.
3rd Tithe – in PKG they told us no longer need to pay the 3rd tithe (for the poor, widows etc) because our taxes covered this.
I think 401k are a retirement plan for Americans. In Australia, it is called Superannuation. You can only cash your Superannuation (Super as we call it) under strict conditions – not easy to do at all.
Sorry Toby – I am not an X COG minister of course – but thought I would reply anyway
Thanks Kirrily, I’ve been in cog land a long time, truth is often hard to pin down
one hears many things but I often find that what a man says and what he means
I,ve asked a couple of times from ministers on this subject but could not get a straight answer, so I thought I’d ask here and maybe someone who has left would like to tell it like it is 
by what he says are not always the same thing
On the subject of third tithe, HWA made a judgement around 1972 that if by paying 3rd tithe you put yourself in the position that you required 3rd tithe assistance then you shouldn’t pay it but this was often played down by (so called) over zealous ministers.
As for RW asking for your 2nd tithe – amazing, disgusting and totally selfish.
thanks for the info. on 401k
Seems I have a lot of Ephriamites on my blog
. Kirrily is correct that a 401k is a retirement plan in the USA. Contributions to your fund are not taxed immediately, only withdrawals from the fund are taxed. However, if withdrawals are made before a certain age (usually 59 1/2) there is an additional 10% penalty taken. And withdrawals underage have to be approved.
Terry Wrozek did that several years ago, he’s under 55. He talked in a sermon about being counseled by a retirement expert before they’d let him withdraw the money to give to his spiritual idol.
Thanks Mike, it,s interesting how things are done in different countries. Poor Terry (literally now) how sad, looking back though, I have done some stupid things myself but nothing on that scale.
“Poor Terry” is still buying into Weinland’s delusions, and if he happened to read this comment thread would think that we are the deluded ones. Terry has recently been rewarded for his decade-plus of loyalty with elevation to Senior Elder status. He’s young enough that it will be at least a decade before he regrets (thinks-differently) about having withdrawn from his 401k to give his old-age security to Ron.
In Australia, it is VERY hard to withdraw your Superannuation (equivalent to 401k in the USA) – you practically have to be dying before they let you make a withdrawal. Even if you need the money because you will go bankrupt without it, it is still nearly impossible.
Hopefully this has saved some Aussies from giving theirs to RW – I think if Wayne could have cashed in his Super, he would have
I wonder if Wayne has got another job?