Ron Spiritualizes His Death Curse
Yesterday, False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke from Minneapolis. As usual, people came from far and wide to see their spiritual idol. Ron claims more are being baptized.
This was yet another sermon devoid of false prophecy (all his sermons are devoid of true prophecy). He did have one aside that was interesting. Quoting from his sermon beginning at 1 hour and 3 minutes into the version with announcements, Ron is referring to the song “But As For Me, I’ll Call on God“, page 45 in the WCG purple hymnal:
I think about one song that comes to me often, especially within the church. ‘We walked to God’s house by-side in counsel blended sweet, we did as equals meet.’ It wasn’t a matter of looking down upon others. There was that friendship there, that camaraderie.
As time has gone on, fewer and fewer are regarded by Ron as his equals. Starting when he was ordained in 1981 and later rose to pastor rank, experiencing trials getting along with his congregation in Erie. After a holding period in UCG, he broke away his own congregation and as related on this blog threw off the yoke of the lay church board. And now he has no equals even among all the other Herblets with their own CoGlets since he is one of the Two Witnesses. And he has no equal there, since he is the Spokesman of the Two Witnesses.
And then it goes on to tell about betrayal. And I think about the things that have happened in the church. Because when people leave God, and they go away from God, betrayal always follows. Ugliness follows. That’s why on the web sites out there you’ll find such garbage written toward me, that started toward Mr Armstrong. And all the filthiness, all the lies, all the garbage that’s written out there…
Ron, Ron, Ron. I’ve emailed you and asked you to write back and tell me anything I’ve posted that’s incorrect so I can fix it. Since I haven’t heard anything from you then it must be true. Starting with the $381,000 price for your mansion on the golf course, and continuing on with everything else.
The people who write so much of that stuff, you know who they are? They’re people who used to walk to God’s house side-by-side in counsel blended sweet because they used to believe the same thing. And now they’re filled with bitterness, they’re eaten up inside.
Ron, Ron, Ron. Who are you talking about? Dill Weed was never a CoGger, having a JW background. And neither was Jack. And as I’ve explained previously, while you and I might have incidentally walked side-by-side to the big top through the piney woods 39 years ago, it wasn’t in “counsel blended sweet”. Because while you were drinking HWA’s Flavor Aid by the gallon, I wanted out of there. The only other poster still actively discussing you is Thielogical Bob, who doesn’t show any more or less of his misplaced arrogance than normal. And by the way, Herbie is Bob’s spiritual idol too.
Some didn’t understand some of the things I was talking about awhile back when I talked about people being eaten up from the inside out. In some cases those things happen physically as well.They destroy themselves more and more. The more they tear apart God and God’s way of life and those who are Gods.
When I was transcribing this, I debated with myself as to whether an apostrophe belongs in the last word. After considering Ron’s arrogance stating that everything he has is God’s his and teachings such as the sealing of the 144,000, I decided that the transcription is accurate as I have it to indicate what Ron meant.
So here we get to the good stuff, Ron spiritualizes away his death curse, yet still implying that it has happened physically. In what cases, Ron? To whom, Ron? Ron, we did understand your death curse. We also understand that your prophecies are physical at the time of declaration. Later on when they don’t happen, then they become spiritual.
They don’t understand what they do to themselves. They’re miserably unhappy people. Just like the demonic world, they’re miserable. They live in misery. They like to take their misery out on human beings because they hate human beings. They truly do. They like to see human beings suffer.
Now Jack has weighed in on his state of mind and it’s the opposite of what you state. Dill Weed doesn’t seem miserable either. And I’m rather happy, because indications are that you’ve lost a tithe slave. Roger from Australia was about to join your group but decided to check into things and looked at my web site. Perhaps he looked at my page showing all the failed prophecies in “2008 God’s Final Witness” started by Kirrily, yet another ex-tithe-slave. I hope even more will do the same. As I continue to mock Ron with every post I write, now 32 weeks after he issued his physical death curse against me.
all the failed prophecies in “2008 God’s Final Witness”
Indeed. And what ever happened to Ron’s declaration last December:
“We are down to the time when God will reveal whether this is his work, or not. Whether he inspired this book with such a title, or not. Whether Laura and I are indeed God’s end time witnesses, or not.”
If my memory serves me correctly, and it does, nothing happened in December. And here we are more than a full year after I heard him say the dollar would be worthless and there would be no presidential election. Ron is convicted by his own words. The ILFPRW seems to be the one who is “miserably unhappy”. I don’t get angy when I see a used towel in a restroom sink or on the floor, but I know of a certain “end-time witness” that does become miserably unhappy about it.
RON’S RIGHT………
I know I said this last week, but again, why does God’s most formidable prophet of all time feel the need to look at what his critics are saying? Why does he care?
Yes Ron, I will admit I have been miserable – let me explain……
You see, on the 17 April, 2008 (USA time) – I was sick to the stomach as I turned on the Television expecting some ‘powerful event’ that was newsworthy, beginning the process of destruction of 1/3 plant life and tens of thousands of deaths over a period of 45-90 days.
I had handed out your business cards and warned as many loved ones as I could. I had handed out your books, as you told us too, as possible. People had asked me about the ‘truths’ and I shared with them God’s plan of salvation, His love toward us, His correction toward us, and how to prepare as best as possible – both physically and spiritually for what was about to hit this planet.
I told them of the Sabbath, His Holy Days, that Christmas was nothing but a pagan festival. People were very respectful of my beliefs, and had the attitude of ‘wait and see’ if you turned out to be true – by what you were saying coming to pass exactly as stated by you. They were not laughing at you – at least, not then.
When questioned, I always turned them to your books or to your sermons (or both) as you taught us.
Your prophesy of Tribulation Timeline Number One did not occur. Then you told us we should take a good hard long look at ourselves for being disappointed this destruction did not take place. (We weren’t disappointed about that Ron, we were beginning to be disappointed that perhaps we were following false prophet).
I waited until the specified 45-90 days for continuing destruction of the effects of the first trumpet blown, and ‘if by Pentecost’ 2008 these things did not come to pass, well, you would declare yourself a false prophet.
Up until this time, EVERY DAY I lived, I did not know what destructive event would take place – believing it was imminent. This creates a lot of internal stress. All the while, trying to grow in your knowledge of Godly behaviour, and desire to learn of His ways, so you can be obedient. Your very survival depending on it, but looking at yourself through a microscope hoping that was not your only reason for being obedient. Wanting with all your heart to be open to God, and allow Him to mold and fashion you (whilst watching TV with your heart pounding waiting for the Thunders to increase their destructive power, or nukes to be detonated in the USA). You told us it would be like the show ‘Jericho’ – and we wanted to prepare our minds for human suffering, burnt bodies and thinking of how to deal with our pets humanely when the time came. This is only natural, when believing the events you prophesied were going to come to pass.
This is how we lived each day – whilst still trying to function normally in society – work, eat, sleep and for me, trying to be a good wife to my unbelieving husband (who was also waiting and watching).
My friends and family by this time, were extremely concerned. You see Ron, they were watching and waiting too – the ‘worldly’ people were waiting to see if what you had said would come to pass. The thing is Ron, is that these people lumped EVERYTHING taught by you in the one box. The Sabbath and your failed prophecies – both FALSE. The Holy Days, and your failed prophecies – both FALSE. Christmas being pagan, and your failed prophecies – both FALSE. They asked if I was going to go to the Christmas parties now, and would I start to work on Saturdays. What I am saying, is that they believed EVERYTHING you said – was FALSE. Are you beginning to see the damage now Ron? I feel this was especially sad, as you had written the books for the WORLD – so they could see who God was working through. All they could see, was that He was not working through you.
Then however, the 50th truth was ‘revealed’ and I felt a lot better – thinking we had a little more time – my full belief in you, in your position and job was restored. I repented from my unbelief and bad attitude immediately.
December 2008 came and went however, with yet another uneventful blowing of the first trumpet – and now the second timeline did not include the 45-90 day window for the second trumpet.
My whole life revolved around you and your ministry for nearly 2 years. I lived every day with the ‘knowledge’ that was ‘given to me’ that indeed, the end time was here. I decided not to try for a child. I tithed up to 20% of my income, and gave offerings beyond my means to show my ‘Total Resolve’ whilst you were on a cruise (after all, the dollar would be worthless ‘not too far from now’). Meanwhile, Laura was on a shopping spree buying things on 3 years interest free no money down “You won’t have to pay it off after all – it’ll have all crashed by January (2009)”. (I guess Laura made a prophecy too – that also, failed – she said this to me personally during the feast of 2008).
I wanted to be obedient to God’s true end time witness, and I loved you and I loved Laura. I loved Wayne, Chris, Nathan and Sharna and the other members of our little group.
I emailed Wayne constantly, seeking help to overcome my wicked nature – wanting with all my heart to be right with God. I wanted to be the student you told us to be, eager for not only knowledge, but also understanding. I was told this was the way to save myself and all of my family (at least a chance) to surviving through the tribulation, and hopefully with God’s help, grace and guidance enter the millennial reign. I wanted to be the best I could be, so I could love God and show this by obeying Him – hungry for His truth – which I believed was coming from you.
I felt truly blessed that God had ‘called’ me to you and to your knowledge.
I still had the 3 months supply of food, water, warm clothing for the coming nuclear winter (which I purchased before timeline number one) – and I felt I was as prepared as I could be.
My world however, fell apart in late January 2009 when I finally admitted to myself that you were false – one of the most hard decisions of my life. Your book states many things that have not come to pass – not even close. (NB. The economic ‘thunder’ is probably the only thing you could claim – however, this was one of the main things that attracted me to you – I believed, and still do believe the financial crash is yet to happen – and so do MANY, MANY other people – so what makes you any different?) The Bible warns me about false prophets – the Bible tells us to test the prophets – by what they say/prophesy coming to pass EXACTLY as they have stated. If not, they are FALSE and we should NOT be afraid of them (or of their curses!). When we asked you and your ministry about this Scripture, we were told they ‘did not have the truth’ that ‘God was not giving it to them’.
Your own book Ron, says that the timing will be one of the things that validates you as His Witness – nothing of what you have prophesied had come to pass. You are false.
So yes, I have been miserable – my heart has been lost, my mind dismayed, and my bank account a lot smaller – because you have called yourself God’s Final Witness and Prophet for the end time – and I believed you.
I was crushed when it turned out you were false. I had believed God was leading me. I had believed God had led me to you. I believed you were God’s Final Witness, and I believed all your truths – but NOTHING you said would happen, happened. No lie is of the truth – therefore, the truth was not in you. What was I to do now?
7 months after leaving PKG – I am gradually putting my life back together – learning many things of myself, my own nature – and things I need to work towards.
I am turning this whole experience into a positive one – one that has resulted in greater depth of knowledge of myself, both good and bad. A greater empathy and love for my fellow mankind. Greater ability to enter into friendships and other relationships, and a greater desire to learn of God’s ways and be obedient to those ways. I also now have a great desire for a child, to which I hope will be granted. I am now beginning to be able to watch the news without my heart leaping into my mouth!
I have a lot of learning to do – and I am now building my foundation properly, for the first time in my life.
I am preparing my heart, mind and spirit for such learning, and in time – yes, in time – I will learn to trust again.
This is what you call bitter.
This is what you call sick.
This is what you call turning away from God.
This is what you call turning away from the truth.
I will let the readers decide.
Ron, sometimes when people mock you, it is out of hurt – as is the case with me. The course of events and my beliefs during the last 2 odd years of my life, have caused me great distress – and most of this was because I believed you, I believed your claims – I believed in your work. Turns out however, that I was wrong – and you are wrong.
I admitted my error, you will not.
Sometimes I do mock you Ron, because your claims now, after the passing of time – 2 failed timelines, numerous failed specified prophecies (no new US President will take office etc, etc, etc) are becoming laughable (but inside I am shocked and deeply saddened). I guess the reason I personally mock you from time to time is therapy – it helps me work through things in some ways.
You see, if someone hurts you, or more so, if your beliefs about someone hurt you – as my beliefs about you have hurt me – sometimes human nature lashes out. I have lashed out – and I think to a great degree, I have had the right to.
My journey continues, and so does yours.
In the end, I am sure I will have the bigger bowl of good fruit – and, in the end Ron, I will be happy to share my bowl with you.
I am very happy for you Kirrily. You have pulled your head out of the snare Ron has set and freed yourself using your own mind, and as you said “turning this whole experience into a positive one “. I wish every member of PKG would read what you have just written.
Talking about things is good therapy. Writing about them is even better because the person listening cannot interrupt you with questions. You get to let it all out. That was a great post.
Kirrily: This web forum has been a great comfort to you and a big help to me. I pray that you heel quickly. I am going to sleep now, as Wayne would say. Asleep spiritually, meaning not under their mind control. I would prefer to sleep for one thousand years then be awakened, live again in the flesh as a younger man under Jesus government with my loved ones. In the knowledge that I am being shown the truth with out any deceptions to make the choice of Gods way or the obvious wrong direction.
If Ron proves beyond reasonable doubt by providing explicit prophetic detail well before the events occurrence then all events come to pass. As God would do through his End-Time prophets, not to bring them in to disrepute. Then I for one will take heed and commit to all requirements.
When the real End-Time prophets make them selves known, they will not need to publish any books. Their spoken word will have all the power that is required to show the whole world through action that they tell the truth. Ron’s You-Tube hits are at best only in the mocking thousands. The truth even with out video footage, how many hits would there be? My conservative guess would be in the billions, quickly.
Regards: Roger.
seems rw is falling apart at the seems…..his fall will be hard…..and needs to be for him to truly be humbled.
I must also add, that when events did not transpire as prophesied by Ron, we were told to have a good hard long look at ourselves, as we were focusing on EVENTS and not God. We were told that “a murderous and adulterous nation seeks after a sign” – and we were doing just that. We had to fight against our human nature, and not look toward ’signs’.
Wow, when Ron said this I felt so guilty – and repented immediately. I then sought God to help me rid myself of this, and stop looking for the signs.
Wasn’t until recently, that I realised the contradiction in this – after all, how can you read GFW, where it says over and over the EVIDENCE that Ron is who he said he is – that he is Gods Final Witness – is the EVENTS (signs are events coming to pass as stated by Ron as he was ‘given’ from Revelation) as predicted by him coming to pass!! Yet, when they failed, we were NOT to look at these signs!!
This is where Ron get’s extremely cruel – and turns his failure of prophecies back onto his believers.
And I am the one that is sick and tortured?
“If this happens, and that happens, then this happens – you will know that I AM God’s Final Witness. This will be the proof of God’s prophet, by what he says coming to pass exactly as he says”.
“The first trumpet will be blown on 17/4/2008 and resultant damage will occur over 45-90 days resulting in 1/3 grass plant life and death of people into the tens of thousands”.
Event did not occur.
“You need to have a good hard long look at yourselves – a murderous and adulterous nation seeks after a sign. You need to focus on God and not look towards signs”.
Um, is it just me or does like not make sense?
Kirrily,
My thoughts and prayers are with you and others who have left Ron and those who one day will. One of my sons and my wife’s sister and her husband are still members. I find it very hard to understand why such lovely, intelligent, godly people stick with an egotistical, controlling manipulator who teaches so many falsehoods about our Father and our Redeemer. However, I believe with all my heart that, when God’s time for them comes, they will reject Ron and his circus and embrace the Way of Love.
Please be encouraged in your renewed walk with our loving Creator and never forget that He is totally sovereign and it is His will that you are a special daughter in His expanding and wonderful Family.
ExWCG Rob
Hi Rob:
Yes, I’ve heard Ron and Wayne mention your son’s name in sermons. The sad truth is that otherwise intelligent people do fall for abusers like Ron. And I fear that, given how long and through what circumstances they’ve continued with him, it will be some time before they leave him.
Thank you Rob, Jack and Roger – I have found this to be fantastic therapy.
I do repeat myself sometimes (or a lot
– but each time, I think of something else – and it makes things just that little bit easier.
You never know too, I like to think that some are reading about my experiences and learning from it.
Rob, I am sorry about your family members still with Ron – that is one side of the fence I haven’t sat on, so I can only imagine what you are going through. The word ‘helpless’ comes to mind.
Thanks all!
Hey Mike – looks like this new commenting section allows more words
!! LOL :-
Hi Mike and Kirrily
Thank you both for your kind responses.
Since leaving the WCG I have done a complete 180 degrees from a mindset which amounts to fear and all the requirements to keep it “at bay” to understanding a little of God’s profound, unconditional and constant love for us all. Our Father WILL and DOES produce good from what is obviously bad. I may be helpless to rescue my son, but I know with all my being that Jesus is not: it’s just a question of His timing.
Don’t give up the good work, Mike, and Kirrily….. it has and will bear much good fruit.
Your friend,
Rob
Ron knew last summer that he would have to quickly change his timeline or risk losing his tithe slaves. People bought it hook, line, and sinker (for the most part). I think his most ardent supporters will continue to dig their heels in, in spite of overwhelming evidence that Ron is a trickster.
How much money are you funneling into offshore accounts Ron? Boy I wish tax-exempt organizations had a requirement to open their books to the public. Ron and his wife have a sizeable nest egg and it just keeps growing. With the help of their children, they will ride off into the retirement sunset quite nicely.
You know, I’ve never been on a cruise. I work hard- most assuredly harder than Ron does by walking to the mailbox to collect payments from his members.
Kirrily, You have a wonderful way with words, and we can all learn so much from what you say. Thank you for sharing, you inspire me.
“Ron and his wife have a sizeable nest egg and it just keeps growing.”
Yes indeed, where will the ex-Mr and Mrs Witness live out thier life? Europe? San Fernando Valley? Miami Beach? Stay in their paid for $380K house on the golf course?
When all is said and done many years from now when the whole bubble bursts and Ron gives that last sermon where will all the “followers” be? Did they give up opportunities, homes, jobs, $$, 401K’s, etc… to be faithful? Did they refinance? Did they cast off friendships, family, loves to be faithful?
When all is said and done it looks more and more evident that Ron will be fine financially and have his wife and family.
Where will the followers be?
Even if this whole prophecy farce where to be true isn’t Ron supposed to Fly off to Europe or Israel or some such refuge with money and security while the rank and file follower suck up the worst falling of nations, anarchy, war, plague etc… that will have ever befallen this planet in it’s long history?
Where will the followers be?
Up a creek while Ron flies away using the followers tithed money to do it.
A-wha?
“You never know too, I like to think that some are reading about my experiences and learning from it.” They are Kirrily, they are.
While Ron and those who cling closely to him may think sites like this are “garbage”, in reality it is a bright shining beacon of truth about Ronald Weinland. This is a place of refuge and healing from the oncoming forest fire that will consume wealth, family, friends,….and inner peace. There are many PKG members reading this site who, deep down inside, have a nagging feeling that something in the PKG smells funny. But they turn away from that feeling and continue to embrace Ron’s heresy, because they enjoy the social environment good friends and a sense of belonging that dominates their life. Fear of being disfellowshipped, and being shunned by friends and even family, traps them in Ron’s delusion.
Jesus said he did not know the day and the hour of his return, and that no man knew nor the angels, but the Father only.
Ron says that was true back then but things changed after Jesus went up to the Father, which is why we have the book of Revelation, and Ron’s divine? revelations.
If this following statement is not a shining beacon to guide you, then who is your God?
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away.
This earthquake in Baja California has nothing to do with Ronald Weinland’s delinquent “thunders”. I’ve been hearing about earthquakes all over the world since I was old enough to hear a radio and see a television. Earthquakes all over the world happening at the same time is another story.
“And then it goes on to tell about betrayal. And I think about the things that have happened in the church. Because when people leave God, and they go away from God, betrayal always follows.”
No one has betrayed Ron. I’m not personally aware of anyone who has betrayed Ron.
Ron betrayed US!!
Ron left us. Ron kicked us out. Ron deceived us. Ron cursed us. Not the other way around.
I’m calling it:
Ron announces that May 2012’s “return” of Christ is to be spiritualized too.
As for Ron and Laura’s deaths for 72 hours, what is ACTUALLY meant is Ron’s internet dies for 72 hours. Oh AT&T, you are never reliable. Ron will be on the phone for hours and hours trying to get it fixed to no avail.
You see, “Jerusalem” was ALSO spiritualized. If you are a believer, then wherever you are is SPIRITUAL Jerusalem, yup!
As for being dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 72 hours, well guess what, the telecommunication wires on Weinland’s street were severed. For three days, his access to his brethren was dead in the street for three days. On the third day, AT&T (with the help of the service technician named Chris T.) finally resurrected the Witness (hooray for DSL!), at which point Ron announced that Christ (Chris T., close enough) has resurrected him.
why can rw’s followers see that everything he passes off as prophesy leads everyone (including them) that things are going to physically happen. when they don’t, he says it did spiritually….everything! why can’t they see this is a sham!
Nice one J
However, if his delusion turns into bona fide mental illness, he and his wife will be wandering the arab sector of Jerusalem saying things out loud that will definitely lead to their deaths at the hands of an armed zealot. I truly hope none of his followers are with them. If he brings his wife with him, he is endangering her life.
Unless of course this is just an elaborate con game. But my intuition, and knowledge of how a cult leader thinks, leans towards Ron being in Jerusalem in May 2012. A 7.62mm automatic weapon can do a lot of damage in seconds. Most of the clips in the middle east are not the standard ten rounds.
In early 2012 a tip to the FBI would protect Laura’s life. At the very least Ron should end up in the special ward of Jerusalem’s hospital reserved for the constant stream of John the Baptists and Virgin Marys.
Jack, what you are describing is known as “Jerusalem Syndrome” and here’s a picture of the facility. Personally, I’m hoping that Ron’s address is c/o the BoP by then.
K’Far Shaul
I couldn’t remember the name but now we all know.
i’m betting he never makes it there in 2012
A tip to the FBI wouldn’t do any good, because unfortunately it’s not against the law to be a false prophet.
I agree with todd. Ron’s prophecy is that the “beast power” will drag him off to Jerusalem, so he’d have to explain going there under his own power. I’ll bet he could come up with a lame explanation that his followers would buy.
But before 2012 comes around Ron will have done one of the following:
– changed to a new timeline
– be a guest of Club Fed
– or something else will intervene, such as a 2nd heart attack.
A new timeline is very probable as the world simply continues to spin disregarding Rons false prophecy, a 51st truth could be the sled for such requirement.
The Fed taking Ron down seems un-likely (just a educated guess here) as while Ron did wrong, he is not huring America as a nation and the Fed will probably end up giving a warning and possibly a fine.
A medical intervention in the Witless’s next 3 years is proable of some type, but enough to stop the Witless in his tracks? That is un-likely… but hey the Lord moves in mysterious ways.
If Ron was detained by an authority or bedridden by a medical condition whom would take over the preaching?
It could not be Laura, as God made her a woman and unable to teach men, such is Ron’s interpretation of such. If a big name COG-PKG’r took over for a few months could there be illusions of grandeur and a struggle for power? This I would rather think is one of Ron’s fears as “power” is the whole point of the church being built by Ron is it not?
Jesus loved sinners and showed mercy and compassion to those he interacted with.
Ron condemns sinners and shows no mercy or compassion to those he interacts with.
Any questions?
Whisper: If Ron is convicted of tax evasion, then he probably will have to spend SOME time in jail. But if you have a source of other information, I’d be interested in taking a look.
When Ron had his heart attack in 2005, Johnny Harrell and Terry Wrozek took turns doing the sermons for 5 weeks. Probably Johnny and Wayne would take turns if Ron were disabled from speaking again (whether by illness or incarceration). Since Laura is ordained as prophetess and head of the church just below Ron, she could silently pull their strings.
Ron, Ron, Ron. Who are you talking about?
He can’t read prophecy and understand it, nor can he read his critics. He assumes a lot of things, or maybe he just makes it up on the spot as he goes along. I guess if the great prophet says I used to be a COG member, then his infinite wisdom is as right as his awesome fear-striking powers.