Ron’s Special Diet

A few weeks ago, False Prophet Ronald Weinland gave part 2 of a sermon series called “Judgment”.  I don’t know how he’s edited the sermon since I downloaded it from the PKG website during the following week,  so I’m providing the version I downloaded.  The following quotes are from a segment beginning at about 1 hour and 39 minutes in this MP3 file (Right-Click the link, then Save-As to download to your hard drive).

“When you get into conversations, we’re not all going to be on the same page.  And we don’t have to correct each other in everything that’s said……  So we give people time and just let some things go by the wayside unless it’s going to cause real harm or great damage.”

A bit later, at 1 hour and 43 minutes in the sermon MP3:

“Another one is: maybe it’s because of something physical that they’re weak.  As an example I’ve know of people because of their bodies, because people who know their bodies, see.  Don’t you love it when people come along and they have to tell you they tell you what to do to have better health yourself  that they see you doing wrong.  ….. Sometimes people get all worked up about those things, ….   You don’t want to give a doubtful disputation and start butting heads.

Let’s compare Weinland’s teachings to the experiences of a couple I’ll call “John and Jane Doe”.  The first part of their story was related on the Weinland Watch blog, as the “Does” started attending CoG-PKG early in 2005  and later attended the Feast of Tabernacles where Weinland rolled out his Origin-of-Christ doctrine.  Here is some more of their story, as related by “Jane”:

Between DUB and Pentecost, we had the opportunity to see Weinland in person for a church service. The service itself was uneventful, but after the service the brethren were gathering for a meal at a member’s nearby home and we inadvertently offended Weinland for the first of two times.

Our family has dietary sensitivities making it difficult to eat at restaurants and even most food that most folks eat and would serve in their homes. For this reason, we always travel prepared to feed ourselves when we are out and about. This day being no different, we came prepared with the food we needed. We also were not anticipating this invitation. Anyway, we were happy to be included with the brethren, but when we politely declined most of the food served,

Weinland was not happy. We later learned that he felt we should have abandoned our special dietary restrictions and should have just eaten what was offered us so as not to offend our hostess. Be assured, we are very accustomed to dealing with situations like this and we have learned how to tactfully decline food we can’t eat.

The story continues with the “Does” attending the 2005 Feast of Tabernacles.

As I mentioned earlier, our family follows a special diet due to numerous sensitivities. Eating out is very difficult for us. CoG-PKG has a standing tradition of a buffet dinner on the first and last holy days. Again we inadvertently offended Weinland when we did not attend the buffet on the first holy day. We had no idea that attendance at these buffets was expected and almost seemed mandatory.

In the middle of the Feast after services one day, our family was leaving the hotel for the afternoon. I took our children out to the parking lot to our vehicle.  When quite some time passed and my husband did not join us, I went back in to the hotel to find him. I found him in the hallway just outside the conference room talking to Weinland. I can’t tell you what transpired before I happened upon them.  But as I stood there a few feet away from them listening to the conversation in progress, I was absolutely stunned.

Weinland was in the process of threatening my husband with disfellowshipment if he did not bring his family to the buffet dinner scheduled for the Last Great Day. Not only was my husband being ordered to bring his family, but he was also being told that he must allow our children to eat anything and everything they desired regardless of the impact or affect on their fragile health. My husband was told to decide quickly whether or not he would comply because if he decided not to comply he would not be welcome back at services.

My husband reacted to Weinland’s tactics by saying something about NEVER having been treated this way by a minister before. To this Weinland coldly retorted: “You have never dealt with a TRUE minister of God before.”

While witnessing this exchange between Weinland and my husband, it was very obvious that Weinland began to attempt to use my presence to unnerve my husband. Many things he said were said to try to influence me against my husband.

We left the hotel that day shaken and not sure what we should do. In the end, my husband acquiesced and we continued to attend the rest of the Feast. On the Last Great Day we went to the buffet. Our children made us proud that day by making decisions about what they ate that did not have any harmful affects on their health. Under Weinland’s watchful eye our family ate our mid-day meal without incident.

The Feast concluded and we returned home feeling like we had made a huge error in judgment to think that PKG was where we belonged.

For whatever reason, we did continue to listen to Weinland for a few more weeks. Until his WITNESS announcement, that is. That, I’m happy to say, was the last straw and we haven’t listened since.

“John” and “Jane”, I’m glad that you made your escape from this false prophet.  Weinland is no longer attempting to force you to eat the physical food to which you’re allergic, nor eat at his table of spiritual garbage.   I expect the experience has given you the defenses to stay out of the snare of another such false prophet.  Thank you for sharing your story.

I’m going to let Ronnie have the last word on the topic (brief audio clip).  That is before you comment.

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31 Comments

  • Whisper says:

    Beware the “shellfish”…
    But this seems to have nothing to do with mere “food” and everything to do with “control”.
    When one has huge sublime ambitions (being a witness in the end times to God) but rather small physical return (a tithe paying fellowship of 500 to 1200) there is a disconnect that allows some rather odd instances.

    “You have never dealt with a TRUE clown of God before”.
    Is this mocking or just plain insulting… or both?

  • xHWA says:

    Now wait a minute here.
    I was just reading last night how HWA taught that his meats laws doctrines were based on physical health, not spiritual mandate. (The Bible never associates the clean/unclean meats laws with health at all, but that’s not important right now.) So, to HWA, eating “unclean meats” is NOT a spiritual sin but a matter of health, or as he called them, a “physical sin”. He continued – violating the body, which is God’s temple, makes a physical health issue into a spiritual sin issue. So now it IS a spiritual sin if you do it knowingly. (Whether it is or isn’t – that’s not what I’m getting at.) Clearly it is the teaching of Ron’s idol that knowingly ingesting food that will harm you is a spiritual sin and thus a salvation issue.

    My point (whether I agree with this teaching or not, it IS HWA’s teaching): Ron commanded these people, under threat of being disfellowshipped and loss of salvation, to knowingly violate the laws of health and thus commit a physical sin, knowingly damage the temple of God, and therefore knowingly commit a spiritual sin which will result in loss of salvation!

    This is big stuff, Mike. And it may even have legal implications. It is PROOF that Ron has no care whatsoever for the health of his followers. Please understand that I have a child with food allergies and many food allergies can be QUITE damaging to the sufferer up to and including death. It’s an allergy like anything else. They may not be sneezing, but inside they are having an immune reaction where the body is more or less attacking itself. Whether it’s severe or not, whether the symptoms are immediate or not, a food allergy is nothing to take lightly or just disregard like Ron did.

    Which makes me wonder – has Ron changed the health doctrine too? I thought that the Elijah came to restore all things, and Ron is only a prophet of the second coming??
    What was the function or value of the Elijah if he was so wildly wrong on such a great many basic things? And what is the function or value of any of the “truths” if they are so errant? Depending on which list you read, meats laws (and by extension the laws of health which Ron disregards) are #12. Do we even have 50 if #12 is wrong?? DID THE ONE WITNESSES REVEAL A 50th TRUTH?????

  • xHWA says:

    I can haz radiant health?

    co-worker health MEGA-FAIL!

  • angel says:

    This is one of the many reasons it’s such a mistake to put so much importance on a teacher. These followers have gotten attached to RW, whether it’s because they were drawn by his message, or it made sense to them like nothing else ever had, or a combination thereof; now they are listening to him and fearing to disobey him more than they do God because they can no longer tell the difference. This is the method of the cults, the leader brings his followers under his control by making them believe whatever they say comes from God (except when it’s not convenient, then it’s not from God, they get to decide). They will not allow themselves to be tested; anyone who dissents is threatened with disfellowship and God’s judgment.

    The Bible says without love we have nothing; where was the love in what transpired with “John and Jane” and their family? I had an experience once with my first pastor as a Christian that I’d like to share. God had brought my spouse and I to a church where we would have the opportunity to study His word thru sermons, classes and Bible studies; where we could learn to be servants and work with others in ministries; and where we would develop relationships with some really awesome people. God told me, though, that my main focus should always be on Him, not on the pastor, the ministries, or the people. It was a great experience and I learned alot, but the time came when God wanted us to move on, and although we had given our pastor a heads up that at some point we’d be leaving and he said he understood; when we said it was time, he wasn’t too happy. His whole attitude changed, and I heard him say things that were in complete contradition to what he had always taught in Bible Ministry School, which was that we should be prepared to do or to go wherever God wanted us to go; previously he had even asked if we both were in agreement with God wanting us to move on and that one spouse should not let the other discourage this. Now suddenly he’s telling us that he has a “sense” this was not the time, to which we respectfully responded that God had showed us it WAS the time, and had confirmed it in various ways; we were fully convinced of it. I won’t bore you with all the details, but it was a mess and although we felt crushed by his response, we did not let it stop us from what we knew God wanted us to do.

    It was a difficult experience, but I didn’t blame the church, or God. No one held a gun to the pastor’s head and made him react that way, that was his own decision. What he did not understand was that although we supported his ministry, and submitted to church authority while we were there; we worked for God and that’s Who we were following.

    Not all pastors are like that, so I didn’t let one bad experience make me hate and distrust all pastors; I’ve forgiven that one and still love him, but I would never esteem a pastor over God. Jesus said the disparity between our love for God and our love for family should be like the disparity between love and hate; it should be that way with pastors/teachers, too.

  • DRMR says:

    I thought the apostle Paul said something like Don’t destroy your brother, for whom Christ died, over food.

    If Ron Weinland thinks that his group is the true COG splinter, and that he is the one whom God is really working through,
    LIKE HE PROFESSES, it’s pretty pathetic that he would be willing to give someone the boot, and cut them off from God, over food.

    I guess it just goes to show, how NUTTY he really is. And it also goes to show, that when someone gets NUTTY like this, their basic knowledge of Biblical principles starts to slip. At least it seems that way to me.

    I would think his people, if they were aware of this, would have seen this as a big Red Flag.

  • Mark says:

    I am sure Ron likes all-you-can-eat buffets as a result of all those luxury cruises he’s been on. You know, just one cruise with Ron and his prophetess wife account for a YEAR’s worth of tithing from one or more of his members. How does that feel? All the tithes you sent in this entire past year went towards one luxury vacation for your witness.
    All his travels around the world are to do one thing and one thing only. Keep the money rolling in. How long can he keep these people convinced that “the end is neigh”. Maybe a little financial accountability would show which off-shore bank accounts he is using to hide the tithe money.

  • angel says:

    I think alot of times things like this happen behind closed doors, so to speak, so it’s not widely known and the pastor/teacher may be saying something he wouldn’t say in front of other people. That should raise a Red Flag, though, if he’s saying something to you privately that you’re pretty sure he wouldn’t feel comfortable saying in public.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Angel said:

    “This is one of the many reasons it’s such a mistake to put so much importance on a teacher. These followers have gotten attached to RW, whether it’s because they were drawn by his message, or it made sense to them like nothing else ever had, or a combination thereof; now they are listening to him and fearing to disobey him more than they do God because they can no longer tell the difference.”

    It hurts, but Angel – this is EXACTLY what I did – what I thought.

    Want to know something? It was only a few days ago that I was NOT AFRAID OF RON ANYMORE!! (Hence my serious mocking post – because I felt FINALLY FREE OF FEAR OF RON. HE CAN’T HURT ME ANYMORE!!!!! WHOO HOO!!!! (Or should I say really, I WON’T ALLOW HIM TO HURT ME ANYMORE!!! WHOO HOO!!!!!).

    I think I was still afraid of Ron in case I was wrong about him. I guess, some sort of lingering doubt, although minute, was enough to leave some sort of fear in me. I listened to the Radio Free PKG link Aggie left, listened to Rons own words, his own contradictions – and that was enough. FEAR GONE!!

    It’s almost like your mind get’s broken – you somehow have to put it together again.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Angel : again, you have struck a chord with me in terms of how when you focus on PEOPLE – we can get hurt (because we are all human after all!).

    If you focus on God, then when people let you down it’s not so bad.

    For example, if I had TRULY been focused on God (again, I THOUGHT I was focused on God, because I was being obedient to RON who GOD was was speaking through [*rolls own eyes realising this is no good*]) when all this fell apart with Ron, it wouldn’t have had anywhere near the effect it has had on me!! (ie. questioning my very ‘relationship’ with God, etc etc.)

    Mark : I didn’t look at it that way – a one year Tithe of a member paying for his cruise – OUCH.

    I never thought twice when I remember them going on that cruise. I thought at the time ‘good on them, with everything going on, they need a good break. They will need their strength when the tribulation hits’.

    Food: I have been VERY naughty lately. I have been eating bacon and ham (don’t even like the stuff anyway) – and while I am eating, I am thinking COP THIS!! (Aussie term – same as TAKE THAT!) I am thinking this whilst eating it, shame to admit, to both God and Ron (rebellion).

    I also ate some prawns a few weekends ago too.

    My whole life I have been taught about clean/unclean foods (brought up a Seventh Day Adventist) – and to be honest (you won’t be surprised) have only done minimal study into it (when I became a pentecostal they said you didn’t have to follow those old laws, that Jesus made everything clean or the like) – so I ate the stuff. Then to GTA and didn’t eat the stuff.

    I just did what I was TOLD because it sounded right with how THEY EXPLAINED the scriptures (I still think NOT eating the stuff makes the most sense scripturally – but I will work that out later on – can’t be bothered looking into this or anything else right now).

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    WHERE IS WO? Maybe they did email an elder and they told them not to come back?

  • angel says:

    Kirrily,

    Now you’re getting it, it’s great to see you working through this and figuring out where you went wrong. The great thing is, now it will be much harder for you to be deceived because you’ll be on your guard.

    People can often make their doctrines sound really good because they will take you to verses that seem to support what they’re saying; this is why it is so vitally important that you read the scriptures for yourself so that you will know when they’ve left out all the scriptures that contradict what they’re telling you. At various times I’ve had conversations with people from other faiths or that have different doctrinal beliefs, and even though I may not have studied whatever topic we’re discussing in depth, I can usually recall or quickly look up verses that don’t line up with what they’re saying just because of having read the Bible. Don’t let the amount of Bible knowledge people seem to have or the confidence with which they express their beliefs keep you from testing what they say. If they’re on the up and up, this shouldn’t bother them; if they get upset because you won’t just take their word for it, run for your life!

  • DRMR says:

    angel says:
    July 29, 2009 at 21:41

    “People can often make their doctrines sound really good because they will take you to verses that seem to support what they’re saying; this is why it is so vitally important that you read the scriptures for yourself so that you will know when they’ve left out all the scriptures that contradict what they’re telling you. ”

    Thanks for that one, Angel. That is so true. In fact, that is one of the main reasons why I got hooked on HWA.

    He would say things like “Don’t believe me, read it in your own Bible!” and things like that.

    They give you a certain amount of “room” to investigate things, so that when you’re through reading their literature, you feel like you have researched it for yourself, and proven things for yourself, out of your own Bible.

    But what they won’t tell you about are the scriptures that would really expose their error.

    Also:
    “If they’re on the up and up, this shouldn’t bother them; if they get upset because you won’t just take their word for it, run for your life!”

    My personal experience hasn’t been with Ron Weinland, but from what people have said that HAVE had personal experience with him, that is exactly how he behaves if someone merely questions him.

    A great quote from Thomas Paine, one of the fathers of the American Revolution;

    He said, “It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry”.

  • Whisper says:

    Kirrily:
    “I think I was still afraid of Ron in case I was wrong about him.”

    Good to read that your fear of Ronny has evaporated away!
    No Prophet is to be feared, they are to be “learned” from. One can learn a lot from a prophet me thinks. Look at all we learn from False Ron, we learn to not be taken in by such arrogant hog-wash.
    I do not think God wants us to “FEAR” anything, especially his prophets! A prophet is a speaker of “some” of Gods will for us and if one fears this or the prophet then Gods message is quite likely being disrupted and distorted by “fear”.

    If one is in fear of a prophet then one may not be hearing the good news of God, but a distortion of it that can lead anywhere whereas the good news leads only to Christ and God.

    🙂

  • angel says:

    It has become a catch phrase for teachers to say “don’t believe me, believe the Bible”. The PROOF as to whether they really mean that is their willingness, or lack of, to be tested. If they’re unwilling then that statement was a LIE. I’ll say it over and over again, test EVERYTHING anyone says about God and the Bible, STARTING with statements like this. Pride and humility are like oil and water; they just don’t mix. It’s easy to make humble sounding statements, the hard part is actually BEING humble. To refuse to be tested is PRIDE in action. And it’s unbiblical, so don’t let people like this make you think you’re doing something wrong by searching the scriptures to see if what they say lines up with it.

    Another RED FLAG is when you’re asked to READ THEIR LITERATURE. Every cult has some, and usually their books take precedence over the Bible; they won’t tell you that, but the purpose of their literature is to get you to accept THEIR UNDERSTANDING of scripture, using, of course, the verses that support their doctrines. It is one thing to read books that explain doctrines and such, but that should be your own choice, on your own time, not something that group is pressuring you to do and expecting you to believe. If someone is saying ‘don’t believe me, believe the Bible’, then you shouldn’t need to read any other book.

    There are some good websites out there that do a good job of explaining how cults work and how they manipulate people that might be helpful, not only for those coming out of cults but to give us a better understanding of what these folks were up against.

  • Dill Weed says:

    ((Angel)), you just can’t say it any better!

    ((Kirrily)), for your progress and great comments!

    Once you understand, as beautifully explained by Angel above, you’ve clasped hold of your freedom, spiritual and intellectual. Then, once you’ve realized how precious that is, if you want, you can begin to read what others say about the bible. It is quite interesting. You’ll begin to see how interpretations differ from one to another, etc. That is where you gain valuable perspective and get a meta or conceptual understanding of the bible and bible ‘teachers’!

    The conceptual understanding gives you a view from the top, an understanding of how things work, and most of all a ‘resistance’ to deception, manipulation and exploitation.

    My journey has increased my appreciation of the practical knowledge the bible contains.

    Prophecy? Pffft! I know the basics, but when people start to get specific (applying it to themselves or a group) things start getting squirrely and you’re quickly on thin ice.

    Dill Weed

  • DRMR says:

    Kirrily XPKG says:
    July 29, 2009 at 16:07
    WHERE IS WO? Maybe they did email an elder and they told them not to come back?

    If that’s true, it would prove a point that was being discussed earlier. That is, whether or not Ron restricts communication among his followers with other people.

    On the other hand, I’ve noticed that, if someone who disagrees with RW makes a claim, and a Weinland follower asks for an example to back up the claim, and the other person provides one; well, rather than acknowledge it , the Weinland follower will just go silent, that is, unless they can explain it away.

    And I’m not saying that’s the case here, I’m just saying it seems to happen at times.

    Example: WO asked for some example of Herbert Armstrong setting dates. Mike DDTFA provided a link to Herbert’s failed prophecies, many of which included dates. I provided just one example.

    My point is that, I don’t think it’s right. Just my opinion, but I think it should be a matter of “blogging etiquette”, for lack of better words, that if someone, such as a Weinland follower, asks for proof of a claim that disagrees with RW, and then proof is given, the Weinland follower should at least acknowledge it, and say why they agree or disagree. To go silent, just prohibits an exchange of ideas, and does no good for anybody.

  • misfit says:

    WO has found more RW followers (namely Charity and South Africa) on Citizen X’s site The Weinland Witness. They are trying to revive that site, and he’s been corresponding and trying to have personal contact with them there. I’m happy to see that Charity did contact an elder about WO and was told to NOT have personal contact with him as he is underage. They want to avoid the appearance of anything inappropriate.

  • xHWA says:

    “They want to avoid the appearance of anything inappropriate.”

    Oh, no, we can’t have that! No appearance of impropriety.

    Oh, and while you’re vomiting and itching from the buffet food you ate that you’re allergic to, please try to keep that in the restroom so no one sees.

  • misfit says:

    You mock as well xHWA? Careful you don’t bring down the curse of death “speedily” on yourself.

  • DRMR says:

    “Weinland was in the process of threatening my husband with disfellowshipment if he did not bring his family to the buffet dinner scheduled for the Last Great Day. Not only was my husband being ordered to bring his family, but he was also being told that he must allow our children to eat anything and everything they desired regardless of the impact or affect on their fragile health. ”

    Just looking at this makes me wonder how bizarre this whole Ron Weinland situation is going to get before it’s all over with.

  • Whisper says:

    As a semi-constant aside (off-topic), is there a growing awareness of RW’s receading 4th Economic Thunder? This is a sad note for Ron as it is the only point that he, so far, has had any room to stand upon. But the light at the end of that prophetic tunnel is dimming because the horrible fall in the Dow has been constantly slowed and now for the last 4 months (1/3 of a year) been on the climb.
    In October of 2007 the Dow stood at 14,093 and then slid all the way down to 6,547 on March 9th of 2009 for a total drop of 53% but now has risen to 9,200 for a climb of 2,653 or 18% gain. Note that that is a constant overall rise over 4 months. The thunder has reduced in volume significantly and is continuing…
    Where does Ron’s book state that God will stop the drop, make the Dow rise again and only then pull the rug out from under our feet? That rascel God is quite the prankster is he not? NOT!
    This is called in economic circles as a “economic recovery pattern”. A pattern is a good thing as it has history behind it of upward climbing.

    As a prophecy this is ridiculous as it’s going counter to reality. Of course predicting we would not have another president in 2009 was along the same lines…

  • xHWA says:

    “You mock as well xHWA? Careful you don’t bring down the curse of death “speedily” on yourself.”

    GUILTY! lol 😉

    Generally I do try not to mock anymore. I am just so incensed about this particular subject.
    I’m biting my tongue so I don’t taunt him a second time.

  • misfit says:

    xHWA – don’t worry. It appears his curses are just as powerful and his prophesies – an awesome thing to behold, really. You’ll live to a ripe old age. 🙂

  • todd says:

    HIS MOTHER WAS A HAMSTER AND FATHER SMELLED OF ELDERBERRIES….WHERE ARE THE KNIGHTS THAT SAY “NEE” LOL

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I have a big smile on my face this morning reading through all your posts. I NEVER would’ve thought I would have learned spiritual things from a blog that mocks the mighty Ronnie!!

    I really feel like I am starting to get somewhere now. I really can not tell you all enough what a help you are to me. This truly is my ‘safe’ place to say anything I like, and has been the best therapy I could have asked for.

    THANK YOU ALL.

    Re: WO – Citizen X hey? Ok, at least I know he is all right.

    Have a great day everyone 🙂

  • angel says:

    I’ve poked a little fun at RW myself, but it’s just too easy, ya know? He leaves himself so wide open to ridicule it’s like kicking a guy with no legs; what’s he gonna do, throw sand at you? He’s got no credible way to defend himself, so he just sits there and rants and raves.

  • Mark says:

    Looks like the recession has bottomed out. Every indication is that the ship is turning. Wonder how Ronnie will explain this most unfortunate turn of events (for his doomsday predictions).

  • jack635 says:

    While reading the post about Ron telling a member his family had to eat at the buffet or be disfellowshipped, my blood began to boil…so to speak.

    After reading Ron’s “You have never dealt with a TRUE minister of God before.”, my blood began to boil over, STS. I’m not going to quote scripture to refute Ron’s crap, but I will say Ronald Weinland is a noisy clanging cymbal whose only purpose in life seems to be to want to draw attention to himself. ie: “Look at me! I’m important! You should feel honored to be in my presence”.

    There is only one “I” in MEGALOMANIAC.

  • J says:

    Very profound and startling thing I just read.

    It’s too bad my mother would pass it off as lies. This is something that she would absolutely need to read. She’ll figure out these things in time, but the longer she waits, the more pain there will be.

    Interesting how certain observers haven’t touched this topic…

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Hi J,

    Yep – sure is frustrating for the loved ones of members – once again, my husband would be able to empathise with you a lot better than I could in relation to your mum.

    I wish, as an XPKG member I could tell you that there would be this or that you could say to her to help her get out – but alas, all I can tell you is there is NOTHING you can do for her. Of that, I am 100% certain.

    Yes – WO and O are nowhere to be seen….

    Perhaps O did email an elder after all? Wayne Matthews definately would have told O to say away from here!! (Members are not allowed to talk with X members).

  • angel says:

    You could only hope all the negative things being brought out in the open about RW would make WO think about whether he wants to continue with this.

    For the life of me I can’t understand how anyone could read these things and ignore them or pass them off as lies. I wouldn’t care to have someone who acts like this as a friend, much less a pastor/teacher!