Comments on: Yet Another Prophetic Date to Worry About: Oct 19, 2009

By: Mike (DDTFA)

Mike (DDTFA) — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:53:33 +0000

In the time that I've seen Aggie's comments, this is the first time I recall a particular rant against what might be considered "traditional christianity". Aggie's wrath has been directly much more toward non-traditional christianity -- Armstrongism and in particular Weinlandism. WO seems to have influences from Islam, and perhaps Weinlandism appeals more with its recent unitarian aspects as compared to Armstrong's binary god and traditional christianity's trinitarianism. While he's reluctant to get involved in a muslim sect, he falls for a christian sect. This thread certainly has been interesting but it has veered well off topic to several different topics. I am disabling further commenting on this thread, but have a new post up to read. Hopefully the commenting on it will stay more on topic.

By: Weinland Observer

Weinland Observer — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:32:42 +0000

Observer, clearly Traditional Christianity has many sects and denominations along with different ideas. In every belief there are people who are sincere in living life based on them. With the part about God not diing, I was pointing out the fact that people mention God and Jesus in such a way that it is impossible to know who they are referring to. It was a technical error as there is a difference between the Eternal God and Christ who did die, not God.

By: Observer

Observer — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:40:05 +0000

I will have to agree with Todd on this one. All of “traditional Christianity” cannot be lumped into one pile. There are many, many sincere people in TC circles who do try to follow in the path that Jesus pointed to with His life, including loving their neighbor. I know many such people. There are others who just love the form and ritual, or having fellowship with “good” people, or just want “fire insurance”. It is not up to us to judge anyone else’s motives. Only God can see our hearts. Everyone is capable of doing good and of doing bad. As humans, though, our good and bad are both motivated by selfishness until our minds can be renewed by God’s Spirit. I will leave it there.

“I say God loves you, but He didn’t die for you.” …. I’m not sure what WO was meaning here. Jesus is our passover Lamb. He died for the whole world. The fact that a person rejects the Passover does not negate the fact that His blood was shed for them. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. We must receive this gift of forgiveness of sin, in the way that God commands, so that God can dwell in us. He will not live in sin. This gift will be offered to everyone, in God’s perfect time, but we are given the choice to receive or reject it. God does not force His will on anyone. This is perfect love.

By: Weinland Observer

Weinland Observer — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:25:23 +0000

Todd i admit what you said is true. The difference between Islam and Traditional Christianity is that Islam doesn’t teach that just believing in God saves you. Instead they believe or should believe if they truly believe the Quran that believing in one God and praying to him, fighting in the cause of God” (not blowing yourself up) obeying your parents, giving to the poor 1/5 although some try to interperate it differently which is even more than tithing people, in short the ten commandments but even by believing in God and leading a good life. So basically with Islam’s standard if you believe in one God and live a life of giving you are in Heaven. I actually read the Quran before and without anyone’s “help” so I would know this. I admit there are added traditions in the religion and this is why I never delved too far in to sects for fear I would aquire a human tradition at the time when I found it and believed it. I still hold that the basic truth is loving God and your neighbour, not anything about believing in Christ. xHWA, You mean Jesus Christ died for you not God. Excuse my low amount of knollege on this area but to many Christians is this one and the same? Sorry Mike for that post as I felt I needed to clarify some things. I top this off with a quote

Say not, ‘I have found the truth,’ but rather, ‘I have found a truth.’
Kahlil Gibran

That would have to be one of the most inspiring quotes I ever read.

By: todd

todd — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:44:39 +0000

wow….i don’t understand the complete contempt for “traditional Christianity”.
yep, there is no doubt there have been several attempts by groups and individuals to abuse God’s word to gain their own power! All throughout history! Even today (RW).
isn’t it ironic the mindless bable of wo brings islam into the discussion again….Another group of people abusing what they believe to be God’s word to do all sorts of evil to there fellow human beings. (does wo see this…i wonder)
Although not all muslims believe in this abuse, neither should all “traditional Christianity” be lumped into the abusive pile of crap.
I know some groups/different “religions” that do a great deal of good along with many individuals that do try to live the Christian life to the best of their ability. We all fall short from time to time….sometimes daily….but, that is the reason Christ died for us!! Hello!

By: Mark

Mark — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:11:13 +0000

“I say God loves you, but he didn’t die for you.”

Wow, can’t get any more specific than that in denying the gospel.

By: Weinland Observer

Weinland Observer — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:30:44 +0000

Aggie, I do not need to say this everytime as it will turn in to spam but whenever you slam the Traditional Christianity package I give you a thumbs up. Picture me saying right on Aggie! I say God loves you, but he didn’t die for you. Also, he’s not going to save you just for believing he did. xHWA, while I don’t quite comprehend non-belief in God I fully comprehend the disillusionment with the Constentinian-evangelical form of Christianity. I don’t need to say anymore. Aggie nailed it. No wonder so many were eager to imbrace Islam when it came along. Notice many are converting to the Religion, many from your religion. It’s because people want to believe a way of life. I am now more convinced than ever that Traditional Christianity can be reduced to an oppinion that is believed to give eternal life. This is all for now. Peace.

By: xHWA

xHWA — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:38:32 +0000

God loves you, Aggie. But you’re dead wrong.
I know you can’t accept that now.

I feel for you because I know what’s eating you. And I would not curse my worst enemy with the anger you carry with you. Until you take steps to deal with what your REAL problem is, flaming Christians isn’t going to get anyone anywhere. (And it’s equally pointless for me to bother to respond to you about it.)

You can hate Christians all you want, and tell me it’s not personal, but it is personal. And to demonstrate to everyone else that you haven’t a clue about what you’re saying… God loves you, died for you, and compels me to love you, too. I love you because of the love God has shown me. He’s healed my pain. And this is a result of salvation.