WO will never be able to imagine the heady, egotistical thrill, of knowing that one was one of the special chosen elect of god — and the crushing, oppressive weight of the knowledge that one had a bulls-eye painted on one’s forehead (The mark of the Beast?), and had been singled out as truly unworthy.

Darned straight!
And I’d argue it was worse back then. Take the Ambassador College kids for example. They may go to someone with a completely innocent problem. The “authority” they went to would likely pull the above mentioned nonsense on them. Their education, job, and future with the church would be at stake. Then, if that wasn’t enough, the “authority” would likely make up some outrageous accusation to level against them behind their back (eg. for men it would be that they have issues with homosexuality, for women it would be they have issues with lust). Soon all the headquarters would know and that person would be a subject of gossip throughout the hierarchy. Now there are tens, maybe even hundreds of people who believe some completely fabricated nonsense about an innocent person when all they did was bring a valid issue to someone they thought they could trust.

If you were in the Radio/Worldwide Church of God, or if you are currently in any of its “daughter” splinters (especially those who “hold fast to the truth once delivered”), this is EXACTLY what is expected of the membership, WO. Do NOT delude yourself on this point, it is an absolutely CORE doctrine of the church, as you would quickly find out, were you so unfortunate as to be tithing and attending.

“Washtay (and legion others) got the exact same treatment I did. Ron first takes a poke at you. Then he immediately displays the issue that you went to him with (no matter what that was) as if that is your failing. Then he blames your “bad spirit”, and dismisses you.”

Legion others who were members of “the one true church” while was still ONE church (albeit a false one), were also treated this way. It is an absolutely classic ministerial oversight technique, that truly was practiced “Worldwide”, back in the day.

“Sounds just like Herbert. Don’t question authority! Submit! Obey! Submit!”

Pay, Pray, Stay, and Obey.

“As for when Ron stated that people were saying nothing happened he was talking about the posts on forums, “

Incorrect.

RW March 22, 2008 Sermon: “Just like what we believed that just last week here. Oh last week? 18th.” [someone laughs] “Yeah. The seventh seal was opened. Some, some write in the emails and say, Oh, nothing happened!” [Weinland makes mocking voice and there is laughter]”

Sorry, I don’t have an accurate timestamp on that file, I took the timestamp on the WW blog from the higher-quality file I had up at 4shared (my account died), that included the opening hymns.

WO said – “As for when Ron stated that people were saying nothing happened he was talking about the posts on forums, not members. I remember this clearly. I was reading much of the ironwolf forum then”.

WO – I STRONGLY DISAGREE – you weren’t there – yet you write as if you were. You do not know what was transacting in the small gatherings of PKGers, so how can you write as if you have the straight goods about what was taking place.

You are basing your responses on taped sermons, many of which have been edited. You weren’t in the room, anticipating an explaination – only to be greeted with Ron’s sarcasm and belittling remarks for any of us having the audacity to question why nothing happened when the 7th seal opened mid-March 2008. And let me tell you plainly that many of us were waiting for that explaination. There was NOTHING, again I say, NOTHING in Ron’s teachings that the 7th seal in mid-March 2008 was going to be a spiritual event – We were all watching and waiting for the phsical events which Ron had outlined in his books and in his sermons – Those Thunders of the Sixth Seal, which he made up, did not materialize and he was not proven to be God’s spokesman as he had written in GFW 2008.

Then there was the 30 days according to Ron, which was the 1/2 hour in heaven before the First Trumpet – this was supposed to be the time when the remainder of the remnant were called into the church – It didn’t happen – Then there was the First Trumpet mid-April 2008 which was to be a day when “the whole world would be in shock & awe” – It didn’t happen – I could continue to list the things Ron said would take place – but they didn’t happen. All his talk and many sermons about Joshua and running down the hill – telling us to tell friends & family about GFW 2008 and the end-time events as outlined by Ron – handing out copies of the book GFW 2008 & the special business type cards to direct people to the end-time website & the COG-PKG website – then Ron just dropped that like a hot potato. He knew then that he had blown it, and so then he made his ” if by Pentecost” statement – then he stepped back & punted his revised prophecies etc. and waited to see how many people “ate it up”. When he saw he still had some on the hook, he revised the timeline, and recanted on his promise to stop preaching.

Ron’s behaviour – to quote Ron himself – haughty & prideful attitude of Ron’s is well documented in XHWA’s correspondence with Ronald – I will put it plainly for you to understand – If it is not Ron’s way – it’s the highway and any members remaining better not communicate with them or they will be shown the door as well. Do you think we are lying when we write about these things ?- XHWA, Washtay, Kirrily, myself & others – we are giving it to ya straight.

Well, if you do become baptized, you will find out these things out for yourself. Ask yourself, is this the kind of minister you seek?? Have you listened to Ron’s sermons about how important it is to wear a tie on the Sabbath – even in your own home listening to the audio sermon – OK not such a big deal – but have you listened to the sermon where he rants & raves about it over & over again – This type of raving is that of an unbalanced, mentally disturbed individual – Mind you, one that is smart enough in his insanity to be living more than comfortably from the collection plate.

You are a smart young person – Do you realize that – when you write these thinly veiled defenses for Ron and his twisted teachings you are actually invalidating the
experiences and feelings of the people that were actually there and taking the brunt of these situations. Please think about that – rather than putting your hands to your keyboard and sending a response, I hope you will think about these people and how their lives and their family member’s lives have been impacted negatively.

Mike, I apologize – I am probably off topic – just that my blood starts to boil when a person writes or implies that “The truth is a lie – OR that a lie is the truth”

WO – You jumped right over the comment about Ron’s poor performance as a “minister” – What’s your take on that?

Sounds just like Herbert. Don’t question authority! Submit! Obey! Submit!

Ron’s emails clearly show his lack of understanding that a Minister is actually a servant to the membership -( I believe the word minister means ‘to serve’) . Ron didn’t respond well at all, in regards to caring for the ‘little ones’ which you brought to his attention – It was more like ‘How dare you tell me someone is hurting or in need – I’m the Minister & I will decide who needs tending’. This certainly follows with his ‘tough love’ approach.

I have witnessed Ron in action – getting worked up when problems with the connection for Sabbath sermons would happen – He would start to fume as he continued to push at it – rather I would have thought a prayer for help would have been more appropriate, given the circumstances.

Back in December of 2007 when I first started listening to Ron’s sermons, I was picking up red-flags in his manner of speech to those he was speaking to – especially when he would start to yell, rant & rave. The manner in which Ronald spoke mockingly & condescendingly to the members in giving the sermon mid-March 2008 – (when nothing happened when the 7th Seal was opened back then) was the final straw for me to make a hasty exit from PKG.

I admire you for your courage to “put your experience on display” for others to get a clearer idea of what Ronald Weinland is really about.

Observer and Weinland Observer can blog on all they wish in a defensive manner for Ronald & PKG – yet how often have they actually been amongst members/Ronald and interacted with them. My answer is ‘not enough to know better’.

Mike (and others) have been faithfully bringing us the truth via these blogs – I have a great amount of gratitude for them -

[My hypothetical re-enactment of the typical RW letter.]
“You have a problem with me? You’re so judgmental. What about your own failure? Your problem IS the problem. I can’t help you because if you were following God you wouldn’t have that problem. You’re in an evil spirit of [insert accusation here]. Now fall in, or get out. -In Christ’s Service, Ron.”

ummmmmmm…
How ’bout NO!