Time Is Up

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in San Jose today.  The attendance there was enhanced by people who traveled long distances to be there, as had a couple of the San Jose area who’d traveled to Los Angeles several weeks earlier.  Never pass up a chance to see the End-Time Witnesses doing their jobs live and in person.  Despite the extra attendance, Ron had to give his own closing prayer.

Ronald Weinland icSince this was another sermon devoid of prophecy, we’ll discuss Ronald’s appearance at ideaCity a month ago.  He started his presentation with a warning:

Some of the things I have to say are extremely controversial and I in no means want to offend anyone. But the things I have to say sometimes are taken that way.  And the message I have is not a pleasant one.  It is toward the end if you understand, but it isn’t toward the beginning.

And I do have great passion about what I’m going to be speaking about, indeed.  And I hope that you will take away from this meeting things that you hear today because I don’t expect you to believe what you’re going to be hearing at this point in time.  But there are things going to take place very shortly now where when they begin to take place, I hope that these things will come back into your mind, the things that you hear here today.

As I was going through the biographies of those who are going to be presenters here,  One of the things that struck me quickly was in the bio for myself, where it said that I am an “armageddon forecaster”  A forecaster is one who predicts events for the future. [Ron blathers about Daniel]

There hasn’t been a prophet come to the world for nearly 2000 years now.  But I am just that.  I don’t expect you to believe it, but I am an end-time prophet. And sent with a very strong message, one that I would even ask that at the end of this that you not applaud.  Because it’s not a thing to applaud, what I’m going to be telling you.

[Ron spends several minutes babbling about the Hubble telescopes, billions of light years, etc]

We are now in a period of time at the end of 6000 years, that God has given to mankind to rule himself. [Spends several minutes discussing empires, governments, etc]

God has an incredible plan for mankind and we are now at that time where he is going to reveal more of it to us.  We have already started a period of time called the great tribulation, or a time of tribulation on the earth.  It’s already begun, especially in the United States, and people don’t see it yet.  It’s a time referred to in both the old and the new testament as “time, times, and half a time”, 1260 days, 3 and ½ years.  And it’s marked by some horrific things that are going to take place.  Because billions are going to die.  It’s not a pleasant thing to think about.  It’s not a pleasant thing to think that could even happen.  But God is going to reveal and show to mankind once and for all that we cannot govern ourselves.

[Expounds on technology]  God gave technology….. billions are going to die

We are at a time,  the end time.  The next great thing to happen is going to take place is in port cities, in some port cities in the US there will be nukular weapons that go off. That will be the time for you to bring back into your memory and to your mind the things that you’re finding very hard to believe here today.  That’s called the 2nd trumpet, and the 7th seal has already been opened.  [I’m sure that explained things to everyone — 2nd this and 7th that.]

The first trumpet is about a beginning demise in the United States and the economy of the United States.  [Ron should have read the book “2008 God’s Final Witness” which states: “When we are told that a third of all plant life will be destroyed, that is exactly what it means.“] And you in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, western Europe, most of the world frankly, in great ways are tied into the greenback, the dollar.  …. This is the end.  …. and if God didn’t intervene when it’s all said and done, we would destroy ourselves.  … And the stock market, one day it’s going to crash, finally.  … The United States is prophesied to be the first great nation to fall.  As I heard the song here today “Oh Canada”, I had to look down at the floor.  Because I know, I believe with all my being, I know what’s going to come to pass, and I know the outcome of Canada.  And it hurts.  It hurts.  [It’s the economy, stupid.]

There’s coming a time very rapidly here, when we come up to a time that’s referred to as the 5th trumpet.   And Europe is prophesied for the 7th time to have a great revival, called the Holy Roman Empire.  The 6th was during the time of Mussolini and Hitler.   The seventh is quickly coming.   Same countries as a whole, same ones involved again: Germany.

[blathers about British Israelism] we’re brothers

Because God is going to use the same nation, Germany, who are the ancient Assyrians to do again what they did before.  There are going to be ten nations that are prophesied to arise out of Europe who are going to be given great power, once again, one last time, on the earth.  And they’re going to do it because they’re going to see the demise of the United States, a vacuum that takes place.  And they’re going to do it for different reasons than what Hitler did because they feel they have to do this in order to stop a great breakdown in all things taking place throughout Europe. So they’re prophesied to rise once again here, and do the things that they do and start WW III.

They do it again, because going back in time [blathers more about British Israelism, which was humorous to some.]

China and Russia and the far east, it says they have a year and a month and a day that they prepare to confront them.  And they begin to take their pieces in the world, in South America and Africa and other places.  … And they engage Europe.  And it says they’re going to destroy a third of all human life.

And that brings us up to the time of Armageddon a few months later down the road.   ….  And those nations instead of engaging in a nuclear war…   He intervenes on that last day, because they come together in an area called Megiddo, … a time called Armageddon, …. and he destroys all the armies that are there from Europe, all the armies from Asia, and so forth.  And also their governments and their countries. And finally the good news.  The one who is Messiah, the one who is called the Christ.  …. He takes control.  He is in charge of that great army that destroys all those that are come together in Megiddo.

Because Weinland had spent most of his 20 minutes blathering about billions of light years and British Israelism (listing the modern day nations of Israel more than once), he did not have time to explain the imposition of God’s kingdom and the wonderful world tomorrow.  Instead, he ended with “Time is Up”, leaving the good news as about yet more destruction.

This would be the largest live audience Weinland has spoken to at least since Feasts of Tabernacles during the glory days of WCG.  If you count people listening in via electronic connections, still larger (ideaCity also provided electronic connections, with video to boot.)  Unlike reports that Ron sits when speaking these days, he did stand but it was only 20 minutes.The audience was silent during his presentation, and despite his earlier request gave him polite applause despite what they were thinking, such as a twitterer who tweated:

ronald weinland at #ideacity09 is a nutjob. crazy buzzkill.

There might also have been some reaction the mike didn’t pick up.  According to an article on the site:

One man, who was convinced that sharks are the most misunderstood of all species, predicted that by 2048 our oceans will be lifeless. And then humans will begin to eat each other. But that was OK because another man proved that the Bible says the world will end on May 27, 2012. One wag actually cried out: “What time?”

One person whose time is not up is myself, still criticizing and mocking a false prophet 30 weeks after he cursed me with a speedy death.



  • Weinland Observer says:

    Thanks for that Mike. Now I know more about what Ron said during the presentation. Is there a video upload somewhere?

  • xHWA says:

    Now wait just a dawgoned minute here. I’m seriously losing track of what the first trumpet is. Would the real first trumpet please stand up??

    In the last thread I said:
    “I need to ask, what/when was the first trumpet?
    I just heard an audio sound bite where Ron said it was the death of Joe Tkatch Sr.
    Zat right?
    The soundbyte is here in the God’s Final Witness video. Listen from 9:22 through 9:54.”

    WO said, yeah that’s it. I read in that same last thread that Kirrily mentioned the first trumpet was blown a second time. And now in this post it appears the first trumpet is destruction in America.
    MAN am I confused.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I haven’t uploaded a video.

    xHWA, do you have a link to the video? Maybe Ron misspoke that day. Everything I’ve read or heard from him is that the First Seal was opened on Dec 17, 1994. The First Trumpet doesn’t blow until after/when the Seventh Seal is opened. He has changed his story on the timing of the blowing of the First Trumpet a couple of times, this could be a third. Did the Seventh Seal open before September of 1995?

  • Weinland Observer says:

    I will clarify this prophesy stuff in terms of chronological order.
    The seventh seal opened on Nov. 14, 2008.
    This was followed by the 30 days of silence, or half an hour prophetically.
    The first trumpet sounded on December 14, 2008.
    First four seals were spiritual, there’s a chapter on them in the Prophesied End Time.
    Fifth seal indicates the asking of “How long” This occurred after the destruction from the first four seals.
    Sixth seal was 9/11 and the prophetic indications of what is to c eventually man hiding from the face of God, etc.
    First trumpet: not everything given yet. Prophetic of what is to come is what has been said thus far.
    Nukes from here on out. No more “on a spiritual Plane” business. Ron stated this although less bluntly and with a larger choice of words.
    Second trumpet = nukes going off in port cities. This will destroy 1/3 of sea and water where they land, and probably make water polluted.
    Third trumpet: nukes on land. Destroying 1/3 of the areas in which they land.
    Fourth trumpet: Something that will darken the sun for 1/3 of a day..
    Fifth trumpet: European takeover of US and other nations of scattered Israel. 1/3 will be scattered, 1/3 killed, 1/3 will remain but will have famine.. Which one to choose if we have a choice. I won’t have much of a say. Also, five months of death of ministers that Ron stated would happen.
    Sixth trumpet: Eastern alliance. Destroy 1/3 of mankind and fight Europe.
    7th trumpet: final battle, plagues, destruction of the armies, coming of Christ.
    P.S A verse somewhere in Ezekiel states that after the last battle people will be paid to Barry bodies for 7 months and that the birds would flock to eat the flesh. Also, it will take 7 years to burn all the weaponry.

    Please make any corrections.
    Hopefully this clarifies any confusion.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:


    The 7th Seal opened on March 18, 2008

    The 1st Trumpet sounded on April 17, 2008. It was to be the destruction of vegetation over a 7-week period beginning April 17 and include the deaths of animals. It was to be powerfully and abundantly clear by Pentecost of 2008 (June 8). You need to read page 118 of “2008 God’s Final Witness which says of the First Trumpet: “When we are told that a third of all plant life will be destroyed, that is exactly what it means”. You’re mixing up the 1st Trumpet with the 4th Thunder, which was to be a worthless dollar a little after April, 2008.

    The 2nd Trumpet, nukular explosions in US port cities, was to occur by July 16, 2008.

    The 5th Trumpet, you’re mixing it up with the Fifth Thunder. The 5th Thunder included at 5 specific ministers who were to die before the 7th seal was opened, and the remainder of the ministers were to die during the Great Tribulation, not specifically during the 5th Trumpet. Pages 125-126 of 2008 GFW don’t say anything that the 5th trumpet 5-month period is specific to deaths of ministers.

  • Weinland Observer says:

    Mike, what was stated about the first trumpet will happen. The prophetic phulphillment will occur. The timing is unknown though.

    As for the fifth trumpet, it did state how people would wish to die but not be able to die and Ron mentioned several times that ministers of other COGs would die at that point in time.
    As for when the seventh seal opened and trumpet sounded, according to you the trumpets sounded on New Year’s eve. lol. Also, there was great blowing of wind and falling of snow. In Moncton at least if I remember correctly.

  • xHWA says:


    I had it wrong. Ron doesn’t say “first trumpet”, he said “first seal”. Don’t know how that got mixed up, but I got that figured out.

    Here’s a link anyway:
    The soundbyte is here in the God’s Final Witness video. You could start listening starting at about 9 minutes, but listen from 9:22 through 9:54.

    And for those who forgot, Joe Tkatch, Sr. died September 23, 1995.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Yeah with all the Sevens of This and Sevens of That it’s easy to get them mixed up. Here’s the sequence of events of the various Sevens in the order presented in Revelation. Not the order that Weinland has them interpreted.

    1st Seal, White Horse

    2nd Seal, Red Horse incites wars

    3rd Seal, Black Horse

    4th Seal, Pale Horse ridden by Death, kills 1/4th of the earth

    5th Seal, Martyrs told to wait longer for justice

    6th Seal A great earthquake, sun turns black,144,00 are sealed

    7th Seal

    Silence for about ½ hour

    1st Trumpet, hail and fire mixed with blood, burns 1/3 of the earth and trees, also all the green grass

    2nd Trumpet, 1/3rd of the sea turned to blood

    3rd Trumpet, 1/3rd of the water turned bitter

    4th Trumpet, 1/3rd of the sun, moon, and stars turned dark

    5th Trumpet (1st Woe) Locusts with stings like scorpions

    6th Trumpet (2nd Woe)

    4 Angels kill 1/3rd of mankind

    7 Unwritten Thunders (until Weinland)

    2 Witnesses prophesy for 1260 days

    2 Witnesses lie dead for 3 ½ days (according to Weinland this is part of the 1260 days)

    2 Witnesses resurrected, severe earthquake

    7th Trumpet (3rd Woe)

    Pregnant woman gives birth, hides for 1260 days (according to Weinland all 7th Trumpet events happen on one day)

    Beast with 7 heads & 10 horns rules for 42 months (could be included within the 1260 days that the woman hides)

    Seven Final Plagues

    1st angel with 1st plague in 1st vial, painful sores

    2nd angel with 2nd plague in 2nd vial, all sea life dies

    3rd angel with 3rd plague in 3rd vial, water turned to blood

    4th angel with 4th plague in 4th vial, sun intensifies

    5th angel with 5th plague in 5th vial, sun darkens

    6th angel with 6th plague in 6th vial, drought

    7th angel with 7th plague in 7th vial

    Satan Bound for 1000 years, Millennium, etc, etc.

    Note that by the order presented in Revelation, between the 6th and 7th trumpets after 1/3 of mankind is killed off is when the 7 undefined thunders sound and then the Two Witnesses prophesy.

    WordPress wreaked havoc with the indenting I had set up to show Sevens of This included as part of Sevens of that. Take a look at the original post on my Don’t Drink the Flavor Aid blog.

  • DRMR says:

    Weinland Observer says:
    July 19, 2009 at 08:08
    “I will clarify this prophesy stuff in terms of chronological order.
    The seventh seal opened on Nov. 14, 2008.
    This was followed by the 30 days of silence, or half an hour prophetically.
    The first trumpet sounded on December 14, 2008.
    First four seals were spiritual, there’s a chapter on them in the Prophesied End Time.
    Fifth seal indicates the asking of “How long” This occurred after the destruction from the first four seals.”

    How is there going to be destruction from the first four seals if they were spiritual?

  • Dill Weed says:

    I am working on an update to that outline, Mike. Fancy that!

    I’ve been filling in the details this morning. I was going to post it later, but I’ve pretty much updated it. I’ll post it so if I have missed anything people can point it out.


    Dill Weed

  • Weinland Observer says:

    The first four seals signified destruction in Church of God

  • DRMR says:

    Weinland Observer says:
    July 19, 2009 at 11:10
    “The first four seals signified destruction in Church of God”

    So when it talks of the Red Horse of the second seal, that power is given to him to take peace from the EARTH, that is refering to the church?

    And the Pale Horse of the fourth seal, that power was given unto them (Death and Hell) over the fourth part of the EARTH, to kill with sword, and hunger, and death, and with beasts of the EARTH, that is refering to the church as well?

  • Jacob says:

    Wo, is your misspellings suppose to be a joke?

    “phulphillment, Barry bodies” – do you find some type of humor in misspelling your words? This is getting old. With all of the technology – there is no excuse.

  • xHWA says:

    At least lolz it up!

    “I can haz tithez?”
    “I iz in ur blog, drinking all teh Flavor Aidz”

  • AggieAtheist says:

    “[blathers about British Israelism]”

    I am really, really, really surprised, that the Jewish (albeit secular but still) organizers of ideaCity let Weinland keep speaking, after this point. Anglo-Israelism is rightly viewed as anti-Semitic hate speech, and promotes white supremacy and violence.

    They should have run him out on a rail.

  • Weinland Observer says:

    Jacob, My spelling problem has to do with lack of spell-check. I didn’t think that was supposed to be funny but I did laugh after writing it.
    DRMR, This is what the seals signify. You are correct.
    Aggi, The ideology that creates violence and supremacy issues is Zionism. British Israelism in the proper perspective is not Zionist. There is nothing racist about what will happen to Israel soon, both the Zionist regime and the other scattered nations of Israel. The example of Israel is not one of supremacy but the opposite according to the Bible. It is a nation given God’s law for the purpose of raising up prophets and to show that God’s law can not be kept without the holey spirit. Spiritual Israel is the key. Israel was the physical nation God worked through but his people are those who follow him.
    Even as an ideology and outside of the Bible if you wish, British Israelism is not a violent ideology. Zionism on the other hand is. Too many people support the ideology with some like Hagee basically making it part of the name of his organization. Some who claim to love God etc, clearly have hate in their voice and words as they disregard the Palestinian people in the name of prophetic fulfillment. I won’t go on any more as there is too much to say on the subject that isn’t said enough. I will need to stop as this blog is about Ron, not Zionists and I know it.
    I will simply state that I respect all nationalities and people and simply can not stand those who think they are better than others.

  • DRMR says:

    Weinland Observer says:
    July 19, 2009 at 14:17
    “DRMR, This is what the seals signify. You are correct.”

    I applaud your admission.

    WO, you mentioned
    “First four seals were spiritual, there’s a chapter on them in the Prophesied End Time.”

    So, that means that the “Prophesied End Time” is INCORRECT regarding the First Four Seals being spiritual.

  • Weinland Observer says:

    The chapter is correct. I was implying that you understood them in their spiritual plane. You don’t believe it but you understand it. You don’t have to believe something to understand it. On the other hand, you should understand something in order to believe it.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “On the other hand, you should understand something in order to believe it.”

    Hear, hear!!! I just wish you did.

  • DRMR says:

    Weinland Observer says:
    July 19, 2009 at 14:41
    “The chapter is correct. I was implying that you understood them in their spiritual plane. You don’t believe it but you understand it. You don’t have to believe something to understand it. On the other hand, you should understand something in order to believe it.”

    Those verses say nothing about the church, linguistically speaking. And so how are people supposed to know that is refering to the church, when the words are describing events happening on the earth, at a worldwide level?

  • Dill Weed says:

    I’ve got my End Time chronolgy of events and happenings thus far up on my blog. I’ll be updating it with corrections and comments.


    Thanks to Mike for providing the overall architecture.

    Dill Weed

  • xHWA says:

    Thanks, Dill. Groovy stuff, that.

  • Whisper says:

    Fantasy Ron…
    Delusion or Con? I would rather suspect a portion of both with a touch of personal ruthlessness added in for good measure.
    Just think, getting to live out ones personal fantasy’s of leading a small yet highly loyal group of cult followers in a delusion that takes no proof what-so-ever. Kinda like writing one chapter in a dooms-day book after another, making up everything as you go along and no need of a proof-writer because you can simply interchange physical for spiritual occurances at will. getting paid for it, financing ones house with it, getting to travel because of it.
    Whew… what a scam but at the same time personally believing in it when not personally raking in the dough and taking careful care of the $$ because you would not want some religious nut case in charge of that, one like they alter-ego that preaches and believes in the ever changing prophecy that ones spouts.

    This is Whack!
    Oh well, while it dreadully harms the followers of such muck at least it is very small in numbers. It’s not like Ron or Laura are widely known of, only by the fringe elements and those of us who like to watch. If only there was a way to get those poor souls out of the clutches of the wolf? One can pray 2012 comes sofly upon them the realization is easier in time. Of course Ron will be off in Europe or some such then, living good and coming up with even more delusions that fit his personal fancy and at the same time can bring in some moola for his accounting alter-ego self.

    The road of the false prophet is a long one, I wonder what is at the end of the road? An angry master?

  • DRMR says:

    Whisper said,
    “Kinda like writing one chapter in a dooms-day book after another, making up everything as you go along and no need of a proof-writer because you can simply interchange physical for spiritual occurances at will.”

    When someone like RW can talk people into giving him that much liberality in scriptural intertpretation; that is, when he can give a meaning that the Bible in no way linguistically supports, and the people believe it, well , he’s got ’em, signed, sealed , and delivered.

    It’s like reading the words “red house” and then the leader saying “What that really means is ‘blue car’ “.

    WO, you need to be paying attention to this.

  • Karen Mustard says:

    Boy! YOU gotta believe a whole lot more than Salvation through Christ to be GOD’s chosen people. Apprently Christ isn’t enough. I wonder if that is what God had in mind when he sent his son to his death…

  • Weinland Observer says:

    I did read the two above comments. I know what to believe and what not to believe along with when I should believe it and when I shouldn’t.

  • AggieAtheist says:

    “British Israelism in the proper perspective is not Zionist.”

    There is no “proper perspective” for BI. Read this. If that’s too much information for you to parse, here’s a precis.

    Any other questions?

  • AggieAtheist says:

    More on BI: See here, and read all of the posts here. And that’s just for starters.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:


    Thanks heaps for that – I will be reading those links.

    As this was a belief I held without question (until now!) it will be very interesting information – thank you so much 🙂

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Aggie’s link states:


    Parfitt suggests that the idea of British Israelism is driven by numerous ideological factors such as the desire for ordinary people to have a glorious ancestral past, pride in the British Empire, and the belief in the ‘racial superiority of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants’.[56]”

    That is what I loved about the belief.

    These are eye opening Aggie – and painful at the same time.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    And one of the blogs Aggie referenced was written by the same xHWA who comments here.

  • xHWA says:

    xHWA happily comments here! And xHWA will completely agree with Kirrily that it is a painful thing to learn.
    But don’t let that scare ya off!

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Wow. All of this is just such a mess – it hurts. I’ll take it all in SLOWLY. Ouch, ouch, ouch.

    Again XHWA, like I have said to you before “Of course HWA was a FALSE PROPHET too!! So why would I listen to ANYTHING he has to say either!” (*sighs whilst again slapping own forhead with hand*).

    It just seems so obvious – NOW!

  • Weinland Observer says:

    I will read the links. If I am proven wrong it won’t be painful. I will just be wrong. That will be that.

  • Whisper says:

    It could easily be a bit of the “talk” that was left out but… it would seem that Weinland did not reveal to the Idea-City people that he himself was indeed a Witness as written in the book of Revelation within the Bible(s).
    Why is that?
    Run out of time or didn’t want to overload the crowd with so many titles that Ron wears?
    Focused on himself being a Prophet, but Rons view of himself is bigger than that. Being a prophet would only make him of equal rank to some of the other WWCoG splinter leaders whom call themeselves prophets as well, but being a Witness…
    Why leave this part out?

  • DRMR says:

    Weinland Observer says:
    July 20, 2009 at 16:22
    “I did read the two above comments. I know what to believe and what not to believe along with when I should believe it and when I shouldn’t.”

    How telling!

  • AggieAtheist says:

    Weinland Observer says:
    July 20, 2009 at 20:57

    “I will read the links. If I am proven wrong it won’t be painful. I will just be wrong. That will be that.”

    Well, WO? Have you read the links? What say you of BI now?

  • AggieAtheist says:

    And no response. Why am I not surprised?

  • Richard says:

    As there is so much confusion over when Weinland stated such and such “seal” or “trumpet” or “thunder” was to, or had occurred, it is painfully evident (to a casual observer) that the man could not restrain himself to a lucid time line and was often self contradictory. I do not see any value in arguing over what an obvious charlatan said, or the order in which he said it. ALL the bathwater can be thrown out, and if it contains the baby of Weinlands misplaced “seals and trumpets”, all the better.
    My biggest concern is for the people who continue to believe in this man (Weinland) despite all of the evidence that shows him to be a false prophet. As a believer in Christ Jesus, I believe the false doctrine Weinland teaches casts dispersions upon the nature of Jesus, and this more than anything might cause some to fall to where they shall not be received by God.
    Ronald Weinland is a sheep in wolves clothing, and a liar. And the fact that I can call him this with impunity is proof that he is not one of the “two witnesses”: as fire has not proceeded from his mouth to destroy me (or anyone else that has come against him for that matter)\
    Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

    Look in your Strongs Concordance to see the meaning of the word “hurt” in the above scripture. It is not limited to a physical act, but II would gladly slap Weinland in the face to prove my point, should I be given the opportunity. Perhaps by doing so someone could be saved from believing in this liar.