More on Prophecy

Five weeks after the last post by the convicted felon and False Prophet Ronald Weinland, here’s another series of drivel.  It includes gems such as “Many prophecies are never even revealed until after they have been fulfilled.”  Replace “Many” with “All”… let’s just restate.  “No prophecies are revealed to God’s most formidable prophet Ronald Weinland — after something happens he twists scripture to make it fit.”

—————— Weinland’s posting ———————

This is a follow-up to the last post concerning the subject of prophecy. God is now beginning to give much more insight and understanding into this subject. It will take time to fully digest what is being revealed, especially in that which concerns the main purpose for why God is revealing these things now.

The best way to approach this is to build upon all that God is giving, a little at a time, and by doing so, we can construct a better foundation on which to build. We are living in exciting times, although they are very trying times as well. Yet it is within such an environment that we have been able to make some of the greatest spiritual growth, especially in the area of living by faith.

Herbert W. Armstrong would often refer to the fact that a third of the Bible is prophecy and that ninety percent of that concerns the end-time. It is rather fascinating when you take that another step further. Since the time of the Apostasy, we have come to see that a large amount of that ninety percent concerns the Church.

The first five seals of Revelation are solely about the Church. That is incredible, and the remnant has lived it. Those first five seals include much of the prophecy written about things the Church has experienced, including that which concerns the last two eras. We also see that even when the other seals were opened, the Church and God’s servants are still at the forefront of all that is mentioned.

We now understand that many of Christ’s prophecies, as well as many in the Old Testament have been about the Church. Much of the Book of Ezekiel is far more about the Church than it is about ancient Israel, yet there is also a duality that runs throughout that book that applies to modern physical Israel, as well as spiritual Israel—the Church.

Prophecy actually reveals the power and glory of God to fulfill His word, but it also reveals much about Him. We will be able to come to see that more clearly the further we go into this end-time and in the things that will be given to us over the next several months.

It was stated in the last post, “God has many ways to fulfill prophecy.” Prophecy was not recorded so that people could study it and then come to understand what it is saying. It wasn’t given so that mankind could try to figure it out. It doesn’t work that way. God has shown the Church that the only way a prophecy can become understood is if God reveals it through His prophets, or sometimes, even to apostles. This is simply the way God chooses to work with mankind and also His Church.

For many, there is something unique about prophecy that seems to spark great curiosity, along with a strong desire to know what God has written. It can be a very natural thing to want to know what is recorded that is prophetic, but it can also be spiritually unhealthy if one pursues such a thing with too much persistence or if one begins drawing their own conclusions. A person needs to use wisdom when dealing with things concerning prophecy. Wisdom cries out that there is no point whatsoever to pursue meaning that has not yet been revealed.

When God reveals the meaning of specific prophecy then it is good to strive to learn and understand the meaning that has been given, but not to go beyond that. This would be similar in seeking to grasp and better understand a new truth when it is given, but it is not wise to go beyond that to come up with new truth on our own.

In all candor, the Church has not necessarily handled this well in times past, but instead, has tended to delve into much speculation. A little speculation can then become more widespread and can begin to be taken as the truth. So we do need to exercise wisdom when dealing with what is only in God’s control to reveal when He so chooses.

These things are being stated because the Church is going to begin being given much more knowledge and understanding of end-time prophetic events and how God uses prophecy. This post and perhaps some that are coming will begin to give some basic building blocks that will help establish an ability to far more easily grasp that which God is now giving to His Church. Yet it will come in its time, when God determines it, and that will not happen right away. It will take several months before we work through this process. The timing is, as it always is—in God’s timing.

How It Is Revealed
Prophecy is one of those things that people often wrestle with as they try to work out what it means, how it will become fulfilled, or with whom it is about. Often, something stated about prophecy is taken by people to mean that it cannot change in any fashion or must happen in only one specific way. That is not true. God has many ways in which He can fulfill His own word, and again, the only way to know what any prophecy means, or is saying, is by what God reveals through His own prophets.

Although I find prophecy exciting, over time I have learned that unless it is God’s time to reveal something, I simply will not be able to know it. So I haven’t worried nor focused much at all on areas of prophecy that God simply has not drawn me to or is revealing. I have learned that in His time, if it is needful, He will give what is needed. So in many areas, I simply stay away because it is futile to delve into them unless God just gives it. Just because I am a prophet does not mean I understand prophecies. I can only know those prophecies that God gives to me to know, and absolutely no more.

Many prophecies are never even revealed until after they have been fulfilled. In this manner, God is glorified when we are later shown what He had written so long ago, and then how He brought it to pass. This is how many of the prophecies concerning Christ were revealed. The disciples came to see them later, after they had already been fulfilled. They did not know at the time, unless Christ specifically told them.

When the Church experienced the Apostasy, all that the Church had known and all that was taught, was that it was coming. We knew it was going to happen in the end-time, but we did not have a clue what it meant and how really destructive it would be. We didn’t have the slightest inkling of what this would mean for the Church. No one remotely conceived of the scattering and decimation it would bring upon the Church. Then once it happened, how many recognized it for what it was? Nobody! Absolutely nobody! The scattered body to this day still will not acknowledge that what the Church experienced was that prophesied Apostasy. Their leaders have not told them because they cannot “see” it.

The Church that was scattered did not grasp nor ever acknowledge what had been prophesied about Laodicea, that the Church at the end-time would be fully spewed out of God’s mouth and that the Church would be separated from Him spiritually. We only came to know that later, as God revealed to us what had happened to all.

Even after nearly 150,000 people experienced this Apostasy, how many understood that the stones of the temple Christ spoke of in Matthew 24 in which not one was left on another had now been fulfilled? The Church was shaken throughout and all were cast down, but they did not know this had been fulfilled. Who proclaimed the man of sin, the son of perdition, had been revealed? No one! Who knew that Matthew 25 was a prophecy that pertained to all the Church and that all (all ten virgins) would be caught spiritually asleep? No one! Why? There were no prophets.

Concerning the first five seals, who knew these were about the Church and not the world? No one until God later revealed it to His Church! These things simply go to show that much of prophecy is not really fully understood until it has already happened, and then God reveals what it is that He fulfilled. Even after many things are fulfilled, it is not obvious to others. It is still not understood until God reveals it, and does so through His prophets.

When God has recorded prophecy in scripture, He has recorded things that He will bring to pass. How He does so is not always set. There is not one way for doing it, although many believe otherwise.

Some Are Set and Others Can Change
There are some things written in prophecy that are set and cannot be changed, and there are other things that are not set and can change.

During Noah’s day, God gave people 100 years in which they could choose to listen to Him if they wanted to do so. God already knew their minds had become so corrupted that no one would listen, yet they did have the choice. They chose not to listen. God told Noah that he was going to bring a great flood upon the earth because of the evil of mankind, and Noah told this to others. This prophecy God gave through Noah was set and the flood was going to happen. Since God already knew their minds had become so corrupted that they would not listen, this prophecy was set and it could not be changed. It became a matter of a set judgment from God.

All the prophecies concerning Jesus Christ were set and God fulfilled them in explicit detail, without any change or variation.

Prophecy concerning the seven revivals of Europe is set and the fact that ten nations will emerge out of the seventh revival is set and cannot be changed. But who those ten nations are have not yet been set, except for one, and that is Germany.

The prophecy concerning WWIII is set, and the extent of the destruction that will be caused by mankind is set. God is going to allow mankind to use the weapons it has made so that people will have to come to acknowledge that if He did not intervene mankind would destroy itself. Mankind must come to see the extent of the destruction that has come as a result of his own ways. Over 2.3 billion people will die as a result. That is set, and if God did not intervene when He did, nothing would be left alive. The level of this destruction covered by the Sixth Trumpet prophecy will not change.

The Seven Trumpets of Revelation are set, and the United States of America will collapse as a result of the first four trumpet prophecies. That will not change. The extent of the destruction from these can change, and now may even become worse, yet this can all change also. This is an example of where one of the greatest factors for change can occur, and that is fully dependent upon who and how many will listen to God and then begin to change. If that occurs, there is great room for change within a prophecy.

There is more that will come out later about much of this, but these are some of the beginning building blocks for being able to come to greater understanding of how God works within the structure He has established through what He has had recorded in prophecy and has inspired to be written about it in these end-times.

Everyone is familiar with Jonah who was a prophet of God, whom God had sent to Nineveh with a prophetic message that within a specific period of time He was going to completely destroy them because of their evil. That great city-state listened and began to repent. The king had sent out a decree that all people and animals should not eat or drink, but that they should fast before God, and that they should turn from their evil way and the violence in their hands.

The king concluded by saying, “Who can know if perhaps God will turn from His fierce anger so that we do not perish?”

If people will begin to listen to God, and to turn from their evil ways, then God’s will above all things, is that specific prophecy directed against them can be changed. If it is known that there is a “great potential” to bring people to listen to God and repent, then God may well alter parts of prophecy to allow for change.

There is a basic structure that God has given for the fulfillment of prophetic events. God will bring that to pass, similar to following a blueprint in the construction of a building. The primary structure that is to be built can be set, while yet allowing for many other details that can be changed within it. Most all of that allowance is directly connected to whether people will listen to God or not. Obviously, mankind’s track record for listening is quite poor, but even in this, if there is a means whereby people can be moved to listen and repent, then God will pursue that if it is possible. He is a God of mercy.

The example of Nineveh is a good one when looking at this very thing. God’s purpose all along was to show mercy and not to destroy Nineveh. Yet the evil had become so great that God would have destroyed them if they had not responded. God knew that there was potential to turn Nineveh from their violent and evil ways. How God worked with Nineveh to deliver to them the prophecy about their destruction is what stirred them to respond so that they actually were moved to believe what Jonah told them.

You know what the record of mankind is like concerning whether or not they will listen to God. It has been quite dismal. During more than 50 years of Herbert W. Armstrong warning mankind, no one listened and began to make changes except those whom God specifically called to become part of His Church. Many world leaders liked him and heard what he had to say, but they didn’t listen to God. God has clearly revealed the bull-headedness of mankind, which resists and refuses to listen to Him. Only at a time when mankind brings great destruction upon itself, or when God intervenes to chasten mankind, will it show signs of a willingness to listen to Him. However, even then, many simply will not, no matter how bad things get.

The basic structure given in the prophecies about this end-time have a detailed outline describing them. There are Seven Seals, and at the opening of the Sixth Seal, the First Thunder of the Seven Thunders sounded. The Seventh Seal is divided into Seven Trumpets, and then the Seventh Trumpet is divided into the Seven Last Plagues.

This is a very specific structure that God gave for a final countdown of end-time events that would lead to His Son returning as King of kings. Although this is a very strongly structured outline of prophetic events for the end-time, some of the details to occur within this structure have changed and they may change a few times more the closer we are to Christ actually standing once again on the Mount of Olives.

A Rapidly Changing World
There is one very important area that God is now revealing where great change can occur, and it is in those things that will be fulfilled concerning the Fifth Trumpet. The Church has already experienced some of the fulfillment that was spiritual in nature that was revealed to be part of this trumpet sounding. However, there is much change that can now occur in how and what is fulfilled in the remaining details of this trumpet. God is now working to give many more greater “potential” to now be saved through this period in order to live on into the Millennium. Some of this involves things that are much like what happened to Nineveh and how they were prepared to listen to God’s prophecy against them.

However, even though God works to give mankind greater ability to become motivated to listen, through unique means geared to humble them so that they might start turning from their evil ways, that does not mean that they will so. People always have free choice, and as long as they do, the outcome of things cannot be fully known.

A lot has changed in this world since 2008. Mostly, the world has become more corrupted. During this period of the past seven years, the United States has accelerated its corruption the most, and at an alarming pace. But beyond this, its pride has accelerated even more. This has had a great impact on the way prophecy will now be fulfilled against it, as compared to what would have happened in the 3½ years before Pentecost of 2012.

It is coming, but for now, it is important to know that through the first half of 2008, God was moving forward with His plan to have Christ return on Pentecost of 2012. What happened and why is an awesomely inspiring story about God’s greatness and His power to fulfill His prophetic word. By mid-2008, God made a judgment to alter certain prophetic details within the overall structure of prophecy concerning when His Son would become established as King of kings. God’s prophecies are not limited nor constrained by time nor are they closed to matters pertaining to mercy.

As a result of how rapidly the United States has become so much more deeply corrupted and filling in pride over seven years, the attitude of other nations toward it has also accelerated in such a fashion that details concerning prophetic events that would have been fulfilled to humble it and overthrow it have been changing. There is actually far, far greater potential for other nations to now listen and repent compared to that of the United States.

All that is coming and will be allowed to happen during great tribulation on this earth is about humbling the world to a point that when Jesus Christ once again stands upon the Mount of Olives they will be ready to listen.

All that was going to transpire before Pentecost of 2012 was a direct result of more specific judgment that had come upon the world, and specifically the United States above all others. That which is transpiring now is a matter of God working with the world in a different manner than He was before 2012, when an execution of judgment was simply going to be poured out. Now, similar in purpose of design in what God did with Nineveh, He is now working to provide a far greater potential for many more people throughout the world to become motivated to truly listen to Him.

Upcoming Trip to Bowling Green

The Upcoming Trips page on Ron’s blog was updated in the last couple of days.  It now reads:

In this end-time, Laura Weinland, Audra Weinland van Horne, Johnny Harrell (senior evangelist) & Myrtle Harrell (pastor), Wayne Matthews (senior evangelist) & Chris Matthews (senior elder) will continue to visit God’s Churches in the various areas of the world where His people are scattered. We will continue to focus on serving those whom God is calling as long as we are able to accomplish such work.

August 15

Portland, OR – Laura Weinland, Johnny & Myrtle Harrell; Jim Jamieson (senior elder)
Melbourne Victoria, AUS – Wayne & Chris Matthews

August 22

Columbia, MO – Laura Weinland, Johnny & Myrtle Harrell; Beth Bucheit, Lynette Eckhardt, Joe & Sarah Shockey (senior elders)

September 14

Erie, PA – Laura Weinland; Patty & Steve Dalrymple, Beth Bucheit (senior elders)
London, England – Audra & Edwin van Horne
Melbourne Victoria, AUS – Wayne & Chris Matthews

September 19

Detroit, MI – Laura Weinland

September 26

Gold Coast Queensland, AUS – Wayne & Chris Matthews

November 14

Bowling Green, KY – Laura Weinland, Johnny & Myrtle Harrell; Steve & Patty Dalrymple (senior elders)


What happened to the Two Witnesses’ third trip to Jerusalem on Nov 7 to start their jobs as Witnesses for the third time on November 8? Or at least the Silent Witness by herself, as the spokesman witness will still be in prison if not transferred to house arrest, as his sentence for criminal tax evasion does not end until February.

Maybe travel funds are tightening up, with more PKG members coming to the realization that Ron is a false prophet. Or as described in a comment on the last post, deciding not to pay tithes due to doubts that it would be used properly.  These doubts arose after reading transcripts from Ron’s criminal trial — transcripts that would not be available publicly unless the transcription fees had been paid.  It was Ron’s criminal defense team that ordered the transcripts and therefore had to pay the fees, although ultimately it was PKG tithepayers who paid for it.  At least they got some small value for the money they thought was going to further God’s work but instead was going to further the interests of the god who lives between Ron’s ears.

Copies of the trial transcripts are available by clicking the Criminal Trial link in the banner on the top of every page on this blog.  Those copies are free, but if you prefer you can download the files for a small fee from the Federal Court web server.

Home Confinement for the Spokeman Witness

Recently a comment was left by “mirele” pointing out the Bureau of Prisons [BOP] policies on home confinement.  Title 18, Section 3624(c) of the US Code provides:

“(c) Pre-release custody.–The Bureau of Prisons shall, to the extent practicable, assure that a prisoner serving a term of imprisonment spends a reasonable part, not to exceed six months, of the last 10 per centum of the term to be served under conditions that will afford the prisoner a reasonable opportunity to adjust to and prepare for his re-entry into the community.”

The “conditions” may be a halfway house.  They also may be home confinement with electronic monitoring such as the GPS ankle bracelet of humility that Ron wore between his conviction in June of 2012 and reporting to prison in February of 2013.  Whichever method, the prisoner is still considered to be in the custody of the BoP.  For example, young earth creationist and tax felon Kent Hovind is currently on home confinement with the BoP website showing his release date as August 9.

What does this mean for Weinland?

In Weinland’s case, he has a scheduled release date of February 17, 2016.  Getting out my false-prophecy-date-calculating tool (Microsoft Excel), I calculate that Weinland could go on home confinement as early as October 13 or as late as October 29 depending on how “last 10 percentum of the term to be served is interpreted”.  There are 1110 days from the date Ron entered prison to his scheduled release date, and there are about 1277 days in 42 months, the length of his sentence.  Calculating 111 or 127 days of home confinement   These dates are also approximate since the BoP may round off their calculations differently and put other factors in their calculation.  So I would just put it that Weinland could be on home confinement in mid to late October of this year.

During his home confinement while awaiting sentence and reporting to prison, Weinland was able to hold services in his basement and live stream his sermon audio to mesmerize his shorn sheep around the world.  But he was not able to travel mesmerize them in person.

The Last Great Day is October 5 this year, so with the mid to late October date range for home confinement, this would be the third Last Great Day that Ron will not be able to give one of his barn-burner sermons.  But with this date range he would be able to stream an audio sermon the day before the third time he begins his job as Spokesman of the Two Witnesses for the third time on November.  The last two times he began his job as Witness(during April and December of 2008), he and the Silent Witness traveled to Jerusalem.  But he would not be free to do so this time.  Maybe the Silent Witness will travel to Jerusalem for the event while the Spokesman Witness speaks to an Internet audio stream. Will be interesting to see how he’ll spin this.


God’s Work

Seems that God gave Ron a heart attack so he could write this post.  And have time to develop yet more new signs and lying wonders.

————- False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s posting ————-

As an introduction to this post, I am going to share with everyone that I am currently, deeply involved in some studies, future planning, and sermon preparations that God is giving to me in a very unique manner and timing. When considering where we are in time, all of this that is happening is tremendously exciting to me. It is something that I look forward to sharing more fully at some point in the near future; however, that will not happen until we are closer to the end of this special Year of Dedication.

Due to this focus that I have, the posts will likely be spread out a little more than in the past – perhaps once every three to five weeks, rather than about every two to three weeks as I’ve tried to do in the past. In addition, they will be shorter and a little more to the point, as the last one was, and as this one is now.

We are closing in on the end of this 6th prophetic period of 1,260 days since the Apostasy and getting ready to plunge into the last one, the 7th one that leads to Christ’s coming. With that focus, it is always important to remember that this is God’s Work – we are God’s work. As we move into the end of this special time of dedication, I find it quite awesome that God is leading me in the manner that He is, at the pace that He is, and with the kind of focus that He is.

Something that I would like to share with you now is to say that if I had not had the heart attack, I would not have had the opportunity to do what I am doing now. So as strange as it may sound, I am so “charged up” over what I have been given to do that I really am thankful for having had it.

Current Health
That brings me to giving you a bit of a health update, as I have been getting quite a few requests from people for more information. There isn’t a lot to tell because things around here happen very slowly. I have been seen by a government cardiologist, which probably has its own significance, but from what I understand, he has requested for me to have a stress test. Some have told me that I shouldn’t take it, but I am. God will take care of all that needs to be taken care of in this matter. I am very attuned to my physical strength and weakness at this time and will not do anything in that test beyond what I feel very comfortable doing.

Actually, I am doing very, very well. I am able to walk a fair distance each day without feeling any stress whatsoever.

The stress test probably will not take place for another month at least. From what I understand, it is to help determine if my heart is back up to a level of strength to perform the procedure to insert the other two stents. So after the stress test, with the way things operate here it would likely be an additional month or two before the actual procedure would be done. That would be fine with me so that I can continue doing what I am at this time. Because of what I have experienced, I am doing no physical work on any job until the two arteries have been repaired.

It is very obvious that God gave me a great deal of physical strength when working here all the way up to the time of the attack, even when three of my arteries had near complete blockage. Actually, two were completely blocked for a time. In all of this I was given good strength to do the work that I did.

It was a small thing for God to do for me then and it is a small thing for Him to give me strength now. He did it before and He is now. He could have stopped what I went through, but that would not have produced the amazing results that are now taking place. Again, I will be able to share all this at a later time – at a time of God’s choosing. This IS God’s work.

That brings up an interesting point at this time. It is about everything that happens in our lives. If we grasp that we are indeed God’s begotten children and that our lives are fully in the hands of the Great Creator God, then everything that God allows to happen to us in our lives and in the Church is for a greater purpose that will follow. He could intervene and stop every hardship, every trial, every physical ailment, and everything that we would consider bad. If he doesn’t stop those things, then do we have the kind of belief and faith that this is, and that we are, His work?

When Laura was in Minnesota recently, I mentioned to a Church group by phone about how I could have died or I could yet die and that would change nothing concerning God’s plan being fulfilled and this being God’s Church. This is God’s work! I understand how some might feel about such an outcome, believing it would not be possible because I am God’s apostle, prophet, and also one of the two witnesses. One might ask, “How could you die and prophecy still be fulfilled?”

Before that is answered, and just so that everyone can rest assured, I want to make it perfectly clear that I don’t believe such a thing will happen. I believe God is going to work with me to finish this work in this end-time, but this brings up truth that we need to know.

It concerns a matter about prophecy, as well as confidence and belief in our being God’s begotten children, with whom He is currently working with in His remnant Church. Let’s use the scenario I have just mentioned concerning that if I were to die nothing changes, and that this is God’s work.

How could prophecy that we believe about the two witnesses be true if such a thing were to happen? That is exactly what I am talking about; this is God’s work. We cannot limit God. Yet that is often what we tend to do.

The truth is that God has “many ways” to fulfill prophecy. Much of it is written in a very unique way for that very purpose.

Prophecy is not simply open and shut. Prophecy and its fulfillment is not a matter of figuring something out on our own through study, number crunching, or speculation. God reveals all of this through His prophets. When it is time – God’s time – He may inspire something prophetic to be stated, or for something to be revealed from prophecy, or to reveal a specific fulfillment that applies to something that has already happened, and which fits a specific prophetic event. In all of this, it is revealed in one primary way. It is through a prophet of God and in no other way.

Prophecy is revealed AS it comes time for God to “reveal” some specific and timely matter – according to His timing – of something that He has written long ago. He has a plan, but He has a vast number of ways in which He can fulfill much of prophecy that was written long, long ago.

You cannot limit God. There is not just one way to fulfill much of prophecy. If I had died and God had some purpose for why He wanted to alter part of the course of things currently being fulfilled, there are many ways He could do so and still fulfill His prophetic writing. God could have some reason for training someone else for a purpose that was not needed before, but because of changes in the world or with people not even called yet, there may have been a need for someone else to fulfill what I otherwise would have.

The point being, some things are not decided by God until it is time to accomplish them in his overall plan. This is due to the fact that some things might change in the world, since God gave mankind free choice, and so God can fulfill things accordingly. As we go forward, there will be more given about this very thing, but for now we are being given an introduction so that we can at least begin to digest this a little in order to receive more at another time.

This is a building block type of process for learning. This also has to do with some new understanding about all that we have gone through over the past seven years. As one digests what is given here, it will be much easier to understand what is given later.

Consider how that prophecy about two witnesses could be fulfilled by two different pairs of people, or by one other substitute if God chose to do so, and it would change nothing concerning the fact that prophecy would still be fulfilled. The first phase of a “witness” beginning in 2008, in the 5th period of 1,260 days, was something that was fulfilled on a spiritual plane.

The witness that will be fulfilled in the 7th period of 1,260 days will be a literal, physical phase of fulfillment for two witnesses. Both prophetically allow for different people to do each and still fulfill what is written. A previous post has covered that there are many ways that prophecy has been fulfilled. That which comes to mind here is a matter of a spiritual type and a physical type. There are different “types” in prophecy and most of those can be fulfilled through different servants of God.

That is why we must always be patient when something isn’t fulfilled in the exact manner we believe that it should be. This is God’s work, and if we are His people, then we should understand that He will reveal to us what we must know. It has always been that way, and we are His people.

This is just to illustrate that much prophecy is not “open and shut” as we so often tend to think and act. Yet some prophecy is fulfilled in a very specific and exact manner.

The way in which some things can be fulfilled may not be known and revealed until a specific moment in time when God then determines to fulfill it. This is another reason why we need to be so careful, especially as we go forward, because we must be at-one more than we have ever been. We must all speak the same thing.

A Caution
As it has been stated in the past to the ministry (and is wise for all to follow) if something is written or spoken and then placed on one of our websites, then we should be cautious and careful not to go beyond that present truth. Otherwise, we can easily find ourselves in opposition to God. God works in a very specific way within His Church. It is a matter of His spirit and that of His Son working in a manner that we have witnessed in a strong way for a long time now. God has revealed much truth and much new truth to His Church. If we believe this is God’s Church and this is God’s work, then we will strive to be at-one with what God has given.

A final example that I am going to mention that helps illuminate this point about prophecy and all speaking the same thing is something that comes up from time to time that people tend to speculate about. There are many such subjects that tend to lend themselves to that (speculation), but one that is timely and now being given is the matter of speculation of who is the “king of the north” and who is the “king of the south.”

Why should anyone let such a small matter turn into something of greater importance than it is? Let’s look at this in the manner that reflects what has just been covered.

Where is it mentioned in any sermons, posts, books, or other written material who those kings are in this end-time? If it is not mentioned, then are we in unity if we speculate about it? Is such a thing edifying, productive, or even true? If not, then why address it? Does it create greater unity to engage in such a thing? Or does it simply stroke vanity and pride? Does it stir up a false sense of “being spiritual?” Such things can truly be very harmful spiritually.

The reason this is mentioned is because this and other things like it do tend to come up from time to time. This should raise a flag of caution, especially in this special year we are observing.

There is great reason why I have never addressed this prophecy. Does it take away from my function as a prophet? No.

It is simply a matter that I cannot, nor will I, give something unless I believe firmly that it has come from God. Several years ago, I mentioned to some that I had wondered why God hadn’t revealed anything about this to me since it is concerns this end-time. God has not led me to see exactly what is being covered here about prophecy. There may be some “types” with this in lesser situations in the world, but the specific fulfillment for what is written in Daniel has never been given, so I can’t give it.

It may be that God is just beginning to give a bit of a glimpse into this, as I recognize patterns in how God works with me and has throughout so much of the past. If this is indeed what is happening, there may still be a passing of time before it is fully revealed. Nevertheless, if it is one of those patterns, which will become clear before long, then its fulfillment will be nothing like any speculation that one might think.

There are some good lessons in all of this that has been covered. Ask God for help to see them all, and then for help to learn what needs to be understood from them.

Power, Signs, and Lying Wonders

Recently I  received a file which appears to have been distributed to the PKG membership.  It is a chart that attempts to show Ron’s latest timeline nonsense, but is full of inconsistencies within itself and shows a lack of understanding of Ron’s statements (to the extent that Ron’s statements are understandable).  Below is a copy of the chart which I have annotated with the red and yellow graphics to show most of these errors.  With all the errors, it’s rather busy.


One thing the chart points out is that Laura’s birthday (on the Roman calendar) is the same day that Ron is scheduled to be released from prison.  I was able to verify both of these event occur next February 17.  Perhaps Ron will explain in a future blog post the prophetic significance of that coincidence.

From Ron’s blog post “Measuring the Temple PT 2“:

1) From the Apostasy on December 17, 1994, the man of sin, the son of perdition, Joseph W. Tkach, Sr., died exactly “280 days” after he initiated it – to the hour – which signified “God’s Judgment” upon him.

This is shown correctly on the chart.  However, the “to the hour” claim has previously been disproved.  Yet PKG still puts that lie out.

2) From the Apostasy up to Pentecost of 1998, the first prophetic cycle of 1260 days was fulfilled.

Counting 1260 days from Dec 17, 1994 is 5/30/1998.  That date is shown correctly on the chart. However, Pentecost of 1998 was on May 31, not May 30 as labeled on the chart.

3) From the Apostasy up to Pentecost 2012 there are 6,370 days. This consists of three prophetic numerical combinations of 7 x 70 x 13.

Counting 6370 days from Dec 17, 1994 is 5/26/2012.  Yet if you look at the chart, it has day 6370 on 5/27/2012.  How did that happen?

4) The final period for the completion of the sealing of the 144,000 was from Trumpets of 2008 (Sept. 30) to Pentecost of 2012 (May 27).

This part is about the only part that’s consistent on the chart.

5) The first phase of God’s work following the Apostasy covers 6,370 days, which includes a total of five equivalent periods of 1260 days that equals 6,300 days, with a remainder of 70 days.

The chart maker shows this 70-day period as 10/6/2008 through 12/14/2008.  However, the chart maker puts 10/5/2008 off on its own, not part of any 1260-day or 70-day period.  This may have something to do with the confusion.

6) Beginning with Pentecost 2012, the combined period of 42 months along with the final seventh cycle of 1260 days ends during the Days of Unleavened Bread in 2019. Not only that, but more importantly, it ends on the day of the “wave-sheaf offering” from when the count for Pentecost begins.

“Beginning with Pentecost of 2012” would put day 1 of the 6th cycle or period on 5/27/2012, and day 1260 of the 6th period on 11/7/2015.  The 7th period would begin on 11/8/2015 and end on 4/20/2019.  But the wave sheaf offering is on 4/21/2019.

7) The time from Pentecost 2012 to the wave-sheaf offering in 2019 is 2,520 days (1260 plus 1260). There are 2,570 days from Pentecost 2012 to the Day of Pentecost in 2019. This leaves exactly “50 days” that God has established as a final numerical sign of His work to establish His Son as King of kings.

The first sentence of this statement is actually correct: from 5/27/2012 to 4/21/2019 is 2520 days.  However, the second statement is incorrect: from 5/27/2012 to 6/9/2019 is 2569 days.  From the day before Pentecost of 2012 to Pentecost of 2019 is 2570 days.  Ron got shifted by a day.

From Ron’s blog post “Year of Dedication“:

The last year of the “sixth period” of 1,260 days in the measuring of the temple begins on the 6th of November 2014, and it will end on the 7th of November 2015. Then, on the following day, the “seventh period” and the primary work of God’s two witnesses will begin.

First you have to wonder how Ron came up with a year that’s a year and two days long on the Roman calendar.  But the calendar is pretty flexible for Ron.

The chart has the 6th period ending on November 8, not on November 7.  And has the seventh period beginning on November 9, 2015 instead of November 8.    However the count of 1260 for 4/20/2019 is consistent with day 1 being November 8.  How did that happen?

God also revealed that the Seventh Seal of Revelation was opened on November 14th of 2008 and that 30 days later, the First Trumpet sounded (Dec. 14, 2008), and “God’s final witness” began.

One quick check that can be done on the chart is to see what the what days of the week the starting and ending days of each period are.  The starting day should always be a Sunday, and the ending day should be a Saturday (except for the last 50-day period).  Periods of length 70 days and 1260 days are evenly divisible by 7 and are therefore a multiple number of weeks.  If your computer is Windows, then you have handy a calendar covering all these dates.  Just click on the date on the right side of the lower bar and navigate the calendar as though you were going to to change the computer’s time setting.

The chart appears to have been generated as a spreadsheet in Microsoft Excel.  I believe it quite probable that Ron has gone overtime using that program over the years.  Excel has a feature that will calculate the number of days between any two dates.  It can also be used to take a starting date and calculate a date a given number of days away.  I think Ron has put together most of his timelines using Excel.

However, I doubt that Ron is the one who put the chart together.  The Bureau of Prisons probably does not provide a computer with expensive Microsoft Office software to its inmates.  The chart was probably put together by one of his minions, my likely candidate is Wayne Matthews. Another suspect is Audra. But then maybe Ron did put it together — during the time between his sentencing and reporting to prison while wearing the GPS ankle bracelet of humility.

I also know how to use Microsoft Excel to calculate dates.  I am not motivated to use this tool to come up with signs and lying wonders like Ron does, but I can use it to check things out.  Here is an image of the spreadsheet I generated from Ron’s nonsense, to the extent that it can be understood.  The day counts are generated by Excel formulas that calculate the number of days between the date to the left of the cell and the date preceding the block which is outline with the darker border.  For example the count of 1260 for 5/30/1998 is calculated by the number of days from 12/17/1994 to 5/30/1998.  I used it to stack up periods of 70, 1260, and 50 days following 12/17/1994.

chart_regenIt shows that there are indeed seven 1260-day periods with an extra 70 days and 50 days from “the apostasy” to Pentecost of 2019.

While it is possible to make honest errors when putting an Excel spreadsheet together and I think our unknown chart maker made quite a few, I also suspect some deliberate adjustments in the formulas given the counts that would shift by a day in the middle of different periods.

The best that can be made of this is that the chart maker did make honest errors.  But the chart maker is a bumbling incompetent trying to make a chart from Ron’s poor explanations.  For a timeline based on speculation in the first place.

Power, signs, and lying wonders.  While God is not the author of confusion, Ron and his minions are.  I wonder if the chart confused any PKG members enough to get them to leave.

I challenge anyone to find a Biblical basis for these timelines. Ron’s blog post “Measuring the Temple PT 2” that outlined these timelines had no scriptural reference.  Where is it stated in the Bible that these date relationships prove that Christ is going to return?  Sad that so many are destroying their futures following those who are at best incompetent speculators.

Power, signs, and lying wonders.

A Final Stretch

Ron has a new posting up.  “A Final Stretch” is more appropriate than “The Final Stretch”.  Because with Ron there will be a string of “Final Stretches” until he’s no longer able to declare them.

———————— Weinland’s Posting —————–

As of this post, there are about three months remaining until this year’s Feast of Tabernacles begins. Before you know it, we will be observing the Last Great Day of the Feast. Every year we are blessed to observe the Feast of Tabernacles, but to our knowledge there has only been one time EVER that the Church has been blessed to observe a special Year of Dedication as we are doing now.

We are near the three-quarter mark in this very unique observance. In this post, I am going to use a “race” as an analogy to this year because there are some comparable lessons that can benefit us mightily. It is often near this three-quarter marker in a race that one can begin to tire to the point that the battle in the mind becomes the greatest. In a real race the battle is on a physical plane concerning how the mind reacts. In this unique year the battle is one that is on a spiritual plane concerning how the mind reacts to what we are currently doing and how this year will be completed. It is at this point in a race that choices are often made that determine the final outcome for the rest of the race, just as it is in this special year we are observing.

At this marker in a race, a person can begin to let up, give in, and slow down by starting to exercise less effort. It is even here that some actually just quit and give up entirely. It is somewhat like fasting itself where a person simply quits at some point in the fast and decides to do it at some other time or not at all. Fasting also can indeed be likened to a race because of the battle against self – against one’s own mind – is very similar in nature.

So whether or not one begins to let down, or ceases to focus and fight as one should, is a matter that is solely in each individual’s hands, and in no one else’s. Instead of letting our human nature begin to take control by allowing less of an effort to be put into the time that is remaining, now is the time to actually fight against our human nature even more. This has much to do with a genuine exercise of humility and the practice of fasting itself.

It is at this very marker that a person should fight against self more than at any other previous point in the race. This is the time when one can actually dig deeper and become more resolved to actually put greater effort and determination into a far more successful and meaningful completion. This is now the place in the race that becomes more important than any other.

So it is often at this very juncture in a race that the real battle begins, concerning how we are going to fare in the remainder of what is yet before us. The distance or time that is yet before us in this Year of Dedication will largely determine the actual true success and overall spiritual benefit that will come from this entire year. It is not how we began this year or how we have fought up to this point, but it is far more about how we continue on and finish what we started!

This is not the time to let up, but a time to press forward to the end for a potentially great spiritual year for each of us. It is not the time to begin becoming complacent, weary, or lukewarm in spirit. Instead, this is the time to focus even more on our quest to more fully dedicate the time that is remaining to that of growing more spiritually and to developing a far closer relationship with God Almighty, Jesus Christ, and with one another.

This post is rather short, but it is very much to the point and it truly says a great deal. This message is vitally important to every member of the body as to how each person continues in this very important year that will also conclude the sixth cycle of 1,260 days, which is the conclusion of what this sixth cycle has been all about – the measuring of the Temple of God.

Health Update

It’s 3 weeks and 2 days since False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s last posting.  Here’s another one, but it’s not about prophecy but rather a personal one from God’s most formidable prophet.

————— Ron’s posting ———————————————————

This post is to inform everyone about my heart attack and the recovery process since then. Although some of this information may have gone out when this first happened, I will go over the events in the order in which they occurred.

For about three months, I had known that I was experiencing something new that I had never experienced before. On the job I have been working at in carpentry (working inside the shop and in outside construction), we handle a fairly hard workload most of the time. We do a lot of remodeling work, but often, before we are able to get to that point, we have to tear out old areas first. That can require a lot of heavy work when it comes to some of the older homes here that we work on from time to time, so this often involves tearing down sections of a house and then rebuilding them. We have also been involved in tearing off old siding and putting on new, as well as re-shingling (roofing) some buildings.

There is a lot of variety in other projects that we get involved in as well, such as cutting down some fairly good-sized trees and then taking them to a sawmill where we cut the logs into usable lumber. Much of that is with some higher quality wood such as black walnut, cherry, Kentucky coffee bean, and some others that are a little more common. Some of that work requires a lot more exertion.

Over the past few months, there have been times when I felt a kind of burning sensation in my upper chest when I’ve been working more strenuously, but I thought it may have something to do with allergies and that it may also be some kind of asthma type of condition. Since I really have never experienced asthma, I thought that possibly things from this area of the country could be affecting me differently from where we live. Whenever I felt this burning, I would simply tell the others what was happening and that I needed to rest a little bit until it would go away, which would generally last only a few minutes.

Since I did have a heart attack ten years ago, I also wanted to rule out the possibility of it having to do with my heart, so I stopped by the medical unit here at the prison to talk to them about it. It was my intent to go to them whenever this burning was occurring and have them check me out. We agreed that when this happened that this would be the best time to do so, as otherwise, nothing would probably show up. But we generally worked too far away from the medical unit and by the time I would get there, the burning would be over.

However, on the 28th of May, we were working on some things right here in the units where we live, which was only about 100 feet away from the medical offices. After exerting myself quite a bit physically by removing metal attachments to some walls with the use of crowbars, I began to have a burning sensation, but this time it got a lot worse and I knew what it was because it was the same as what I had experienced nearly ten years earlier with my first heart attack. This time, however, it was much worse and many times more painful. They took me into the medical office right away and began giving me some nitro tablets under my tongue. I think they gave me four tablets over the course of a half hour from the initial attack to when the ambulance finally came. Once I got to the hospital, the pain of the attack became far greater. They didn’t waste much time and gave me a couple of tests where they determined that I had some blocked arteries. They continued to give me some nitro when the pain became so intense and reoccurring so rapidly. It was the only thing that seemed to lessen the pain I was experiencing.

The last thing I remember was when they were getting ready to transfer me from the portable bed to the operating table. However, after I woke up in the intensive care unit of the hospital, several nurses and some doctors who came around began to fill me in on what had taken place. One of the first that I talked to was a cardiac nurse who asked me what I remembered and if I remembered what I had said when, at one point, I sat up and spoke to them. I explained that the last thing I remembered was when they were getting ready to transfer me from the portable bed to the operating table, but I did not actually remember them doing the actual transfer.

This nurse informed me that on the operating table (but at what specific point, I am not sure) I sat up and said that I was going to die. Then I laid down and immediately flatlined (my heart stopped). They told me that at that point they announced over the hospital system a “code blue,” which was to notify all those who had anything to do with giving me defibrillation (electric shock therapy to start the heart) to get to their station and do so. They gave me the jolt I needed to get my heart going again. I have no idea how much time passed, but I think I understood them to say it took a couple of times to do this to get my heart started again. I’m not sure I have explained all this in a correct manner medically, but in my understanding, this is the best that I can relay what I was told.

They inserted a stent in order to open up one of the main arteries which they told me is referred to as the “widow maker,” since there are not many who survive such an attack. That primary artery was 100 percent blocked. They also said I have two other arteries that need to be opened. One is 100 percent blocked and the other is 85 percent blocked. They did not try to open those two at that time because of the stress that my body and heart had just experienced. They want me to have a little more time in order for me to regain strength before opening those two arteries. Hopefully, it doesn’t take a long time to get this taken care of, but knowing what I do, it might be a long time, or not at all while I’m here.

Nevertheless, God gave me the strength and ability to do some pretty hard work for quite a while, even with three highly blocked arteries. It rather dumbfounds me that I was able to work to the degree that I was.

Yet in all this, as everyone should strongly know, my life is fully in God’s hands, just as with everyone who has been called, begotten, and is then yielding to God’s purpose in their life. This has happened to me as a part of God’s purpose in what He intends to accomplish and produce through it, as well as it occurring precisely in His timing of those things He is working out. There has already been some incredible good that has come out of this, which will be revealed more fully at a later time. Although it was a pretty rough and difficult thing to experience (as my pain tolerance is not high, and this was extremely painful), it is truly nothing compared to the good that it has already produced. We should all keep that in mind and realize that in those things we experience of hardships, trials, and pain, that often others can be helped and/or strengthened by our experience. Then of course, we too can learn personally and become more fully perfected through such things we may go through in life, and especially in how we go through them.

It is a very true and inspiring thing that Paul wrote when he basically stated in Romans that when our lives are in God’s hands, everything will work together for that which is good. That includes the trials, hardships and pain we experience in this human life. That “good” may be, and often is, to the benefit of others, and often it is to our benefit for what it can mold and fashion in our being – in our thinking and in our mind.

After the heart attack, on that following Monday, I was released to return to this prison camp. This Thursday, it will be two weeks since the heart attack and I am doing quite well at this point in my recovery. On occasion, I get a little light-headed and must rest when that occurs. I’ve had one occasion where I broke out in a sweat and felt that my heart was acting up somewhat, but by the time someone in the medical unit hooked me up for an EKG it had stopped and probably lasted only about twenty minutes total. I’m walking short distances each day and getting a lot of rest as I recover. There is a great work ahead and I know I will be fully ready when that time comes. Our lives are in God’s great care, and regardless of what might happen to any of us, even if it is death, the Church of God continues on and our future is still in God’s great care and timing.

For so many of you who have done so (those whom we know of and those whom we do not), thank you for your concern, love, and prayers that you have shown toward me and my family.

Heart Attack Redux

According to sources including a comment left on the blog, False Prophet Ronald Weinland suffered a heart attack last Thursday, May 28.  This was not his first heart attack, as he had one on or about August 4, 2005 and was out of commission for 5 weeks recovering from triple bypass heart surgery.  Word is that he returned to prison yesterday and is to have stents put in after he gets stronger.  Some skepticism on that from some quarters.  Perhaps he had urgently needed angioplasty in one area of the heart and they see some other areas that are marginal but not urgent.

Other speculation is that he died already.  And yet other speculation that he will get an early release in 2015.  In answer to both of those, the Bureau of Prisons inmate locator shows him to be incarcerated at Terre Haute FCI with a release date next February 17.  I personally doubt that he will leave the prison system before that date unless it is feet first.  Which I don’t expect.

What I consider more likely is that he would be transferred to a prison hospital, such as the Lexington FMC which is only a couple of hours commute for the Silent Witness from their home on the golf course.

Looking for prophetic significance, August 4, 2005 to May 28, 2015 is exactly 512 weeks.  Which is 2-to-the-ninth-power weeks.  Must be some significance in that.

While some are looking to this as a sign of God punishing Weinland, I don’t see that.  It’s just Weinland with a bad heart.  Herbert Armstrong was a bigger false prophet than Weinland and abused more people.  Weinland never told people to avoid medical care and never a whiff of sexual improprieties.  Armstrong probably evaded more in taxes than Weinland.  Yet Herbert Armstrong died in his own bedroom in his 90’s without having all the plagues of Revelation visited on him.

A few months after Ron’s heart attack in 2005, he announced that he is a biblical character.  Wonder if there will be a redux of that too.  Perhaps Jesus.  Rather doubt it, but if he did I think many of his remaining followers would believe it.

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JD left a comment:

People are upset in pkg.  Ron had a massive heart attack last Thursday and people are just finding out and are upset because it has been keep under wraps.  maybe the big wigs think people will start running for the doors if their mighty leader has fallen yet again.    Hmmmmmm maybe Ron is one of the ones who is scheduled to die for not repenting.  Has to start somewhere.

I’ll try to have more information later.