False Prophet Ronald Weinland

False Prophet Ronald Weinland required engineering help to make some doors in Detroit yesterday, as members gathered from as far and as wide as the Carolinas.

Ron did some re-engineering of the Bible.  For example:

Rev 9:1  And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

is not about the timing of the blowing of the 5th trumpet, but rather the star falling was Satan’s fall long ago.  One should not read into the Bible that the star (whatever it is) falling is NOT a result of the 5th trumpet.  Even though it follows in the same sentence.  And this one:

Rev 9:13  And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, [:14]  Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.  [15]  And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Ron claims that this is NOT about the blowing of the 6th trumpet. That is that the 6th trumpet is not blown a year, month, and day ahead of that.  He went back to parse the verse about the first trumpet:

Rev 8:6  And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. [7]  The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Now he says that “followed” means that while the first trumpet has sounded, we’re still in “followed” and we’re still going to see dead grass.

After hopscotching through several chapters in Revelation, he hopscotched through a number of news articles about the turmoil in Europe and Iran getting around sanctions by bypassing the dollar in oil trading.  He didn’t credit his sources, but I expect that they are the same type of source he normally uses such as World Net Daily.

Then Ron went on to hopscotch through his book “2008 — God’s Final Witness”, reading from pages 116-117, 121, & 125 -127.  He said that everything in it was going to happen.  For example, regarding this sentence in his book:

During the time covered in the Fifth Trumpet,  several hundred million people will die—more than the total number who died during the period of the first four trumpets.

Ron said it would happen after the Fifth Trumpet sounds and not full 5-month period.  Somehow it made perfect sense to his followers. During upcoming sermons, I expect Ron to hammer on the idea that specific periods of time like the year +month+day+hour and the 5-month period happen before their associated trumpets blew.  I think PKG members should reread Ron’s book and ask questions about certain passages.  Such as:

• “Those of the scattered Church of God, who are tormented during this five-month period, will suffer greatly for their stubborn pride and continued defiance against God.” (page 126).
• “This five-month period will also be paralleled by millions of people who will begin to repent and seek God.”(page 126)

These questions should be evaluated against reality.  The five-month period must have begun already, since we’re now less than 4 months from Pentecost.

• How is the “scattering” being tormented?  Have any of their leaders died?  How much of the scattering even knows that Ron exists?
• How long will you give Ron for his prophesy that about 3000 of the “scattering” are to join PKG?
• How long will you wait for the millions to come for baptism?  Are millions of people searching for the truth?  If they were, don’t you think that Ron would be running another Google ad campaign to let them know about PKG?  And that he would have had a lot more than than 3 requests for interviews and that Ron would not have advertised himself for them?

Ron repeated last weeks statement about this being the “second day” marching around Jericho.  He went on to explain that this last half-a-time of 140 days are divided into seven 20-day periods with each period being like a day marching around Jericho.  Last August 20 (the latest that the 5th trumpet was to sound according to his 2009 LGD sermon), Ron stated:

So, as with many prophetic things having to do with the end-time, again, this was not fully understood, but just so we’re all clear in all this: We’ve just entered the final two remaining periods of Half a Time, we are now in the sixth period. What an awesome thing! It’s like walking around Jericho and this is the sixth day – nothing’s happened – this is the sixth day, we’re walking around it again, but there are some differences.

Ron is frantically crunching numbers in search of more Signs and Lying Wonders to distract his followers.  Isn’t it wonderful living in Weinland’s Wacky World, where the second part of a sentence doesn’t relate to the first?  Where any period of time can be like any other period of time?  And symbols can change meaning on the fly.  All you need is a scorecard to keep track, and Weinland updates it for you every week.  Kind of like a Monty Python sketch, except in the end a Monty Python sketch has a consistent point.  The only point we have with Weinland is that he’s making it up as he goes along.

Today, False Prophet Ronald Weinland added several weekends in March to his travel itinerary.  These are

• March 3 — Georgia
• March 10 — Spokane
• March 17 — staying in Cincinnati

If Weinland is to plead to a lesser charge in exchange for a reduced sentence, the motion for that has to be filed by March 9.  March 12 is the date for the pre-trial conference, and March 20 is the start of trial.  I don’t know what the procedure is if he pleads out, perhaps the same trial date is used for the plea hearing.  If normally conducted earlier, then this itinerary with his remaining in Cincinnati the weekend before the trial may be an indicator that he won’t plead.

Seems to me that with over 5000 pages of discovery to sort through, that he would be helping his attorneys come up with a defense.

Now only 6 1/2 weeks before trial, given that the court gave him a 7-week continuance from the original date this past Tuesday.  Could this be the first day another march around Jericho?

False Prophet Ronald Weinland and members from as far away as Georgia and Virginia were in Columbia.  Ron is getting lots of mileage out of the book of Daniel and plans several more sermons blathering about it.

Ron stated that since the dollar was going to be worthless by the Feast of Tabernacles that members could spend their second tithe to travel long distances to see their spiritual idol while they still can.  But save enough for Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread.  And if Ronnie’s criminal trial in March doesn’t end well for him, will people want to attend a feast with Johnny speaking for 8 days particularly since he won’t be a spirit being with the last name of Elohim.

Ron mocked the world for it’s buy-now-pay-later attitude.  But then he’s suggested that his members should buy stuff that way because after all the dollar will soon be worthless and you won’t have to pay it back.  But then he was suggesting that in 2008 and the bills have come due.

Ronnie made an odd statement, that this was the second day around Jericho. I replayed it to make sure that I heard it correctly.  I thought that one of Ronnie’s days of “marching around Jericho” was one of his 140-day half-a-times and that we are in the seventh and last of those.  But Ronnie has so much symbology to distract his membership from the fact that he’s batting .000 when it comes to fulfilled prophecy, that sometimes he gets his symbols confused, such as mixing up numbers for thunders, and the dates for seals and trumpets. Perhaps he’s thinking it’s the 2nd time marching around Jericho as the Israelites did 7 times on the 7th day.  If we divide the 140-day half-a-time into sevenths, each seventh is 20 days and today is the 21st day or the start of the 2nd seventh.  But if Ronnie explained that previously, I missed in amongst all his blather.  And what marching went on during the last 20 days?  Only thing Ronnie can point to is an interview on a low-powered radio station on the eastern shores of Maryland which convinced no one that he’s a prophet,  not even the host who evidently had not researched Ron and all his prior prophetic failures.  Maybe Ron will ramp things up and finally demonstrate one of his Witness Powers by calling down a plague or turning some water into blood.  Or who knows?  Maybe even striking down one of his mockers.

And maybe I missed his explanation of the fifth trumpet, which he promised at sometime on January 7th when he said:

…… I was asked a great question concerning the five months spoken of in Revelation concerning the events of the description of the 5th Trumpet. It’s a good question and it’s being asked a lot right now because it’s like – 5 months… wait a minute, we’re at 5 months! Just wait! God reveals everything in His time and it isn’t time yet for a specific sermon to be given on that. Maybe it’ll come next Sabbath, I don’t know yet. I have no idea what the sermon’s going to be!

A full month in and still no explanation from God.  And maybe I missed the outcome of this statement from March 12 of last year:

So again, some cannot wait for me to say that I am not a prophet, or to say that I am a false prophet.  Indeed, no one has long to wait do they? Isn’t that amazing? May 27, 2012 is not too far away and if Europe hasn’t risen by early 2012 and if China does not begin destroying the earth before that date, then the reality would be manifest much sooner, obviously. You don’t have to wait until 2012.  As far as the question they ask; what would I do? Well, first I’d repent before God and the Church. I’d acknowledge my sin and pray that God have mercy upon me for being so horribly presumptuous.

Have I missed Europe arising?  Have I missed the rampage of the Asiatic hordes led by China?  Or have I missed Ronnie repenting before the church?  Oh yeah.  Now I remember — to repent means to “think differently” which does not mean showing regret or remorse or acknowledging sin.  Just means that you changed your mind.  Which Ronnie has as he still claims that Jesus returns on schedule on the eve of Pentecost and somehow (we’re waiting to find how) the five months of torment following the 5th trumpet are going to be squeezed into just 3 weeks.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland held an elders conference the weekend of March 29, 2008 for the elders he had newly ordained over the preceding several months in anticipation of the Great Tribulation scheduled to begin a few weeks later on April 17th as the pope visited the U.S.

I have been provided an audio recording of a Q&A session held during that conference.  No doubt my source will be early in the queue into the Lake of Fire

Weinland begins the session by stating that the conferences are private, private, private and not to be discussed with members.  If asked what went on during the conference, the elders were essentially told to minimize and equivocate.  Which of course is not lying because that would be against the 10 commandments.

The elders were told to get speakers to go with the laptops that Weinland handed out for accessing the Elder Management Console, a website and software set up by Greg Chipps. The speakers were for the elders to conduct passover services for groups of members by playing recordings provided by Weinland.

There were a number of questions relating to baptisms.  One related to whether baptisms performed by other splinter groups were valid.  Weinland said that Garner Ted Armstrong’s baptisms were  not valid, and would have to have hands laid on. This would be true for any other minister disfellowshipped as GTA was.  In general each candidate would have to be evaluated by Johnny Harrell or Wayne Matthews.

New members would not be required to read the entire Bible, but would need to read Weinland’s books and Herbert Armstrong’s “Mystery of the Ages”.

A soldier in the military not able to keep the sabbath would not be allowed to be baptized.  Sabbath keeping and tithe paying were Weinland’s minimum requirements to join.  Other issues such as smoking and eating unclean meats could be dealt with later.

Weinland was asked whether the elders should quit their jobs.  Weinland said that was up to the elder.  Weinland always hedged on instructions of that type, making it the individual’s choice for decisions that would have a financial impact.  Wayne Matthews quit his job and later was looking for another as the Great Tribulation didn’t hit.

Ron mentioned that he got a letter from someone on limited income.  Too bad, they have to tithe to join his church.  Employer won’t let you off on the sabbath.  Too bad, you have to keep the sabbath regardless to join his church.

Ron was asked if elders should be licensed to marry.  He said it was up to them.

Question if people should announce new baptisms.  Ron replied “not on the Internet”.

Ron explained that the church does not as a group pray for those outside the church who have a personal tragedy in their life, although it is OK for individual members to pray for others.  So prayer requests for those outside the church were not to be passed along to other PKG members.

For someone to attend services, they need to be tithing and keeping the sabbath, same requirement as for baptism.  Otherwise, non-members are not allowed to attend.  If the non-member was invited by a member, allow it for one meeting if the non-member is not disruptive.  Police should be called if someone doesn’t leave when told to.  No open-door policy in Ron’s church.  {Ron has made exceptions for non-member spouses who are not hostile.}

Renting of a hall should not be done before a dozen or so, smaller groups can assemble in homes.  Johnny and Wayne were delegated to make decisions.

Ron cautioned against making it too easy for people to attend, by offering them rides, etc.  Or even encouraging them to attend.  Make them fight for attendance at PKG.

Question about minimum age for baptism.  General guidelines was 19 for guys, 18 for gals.  There was also some discussion about whether minors without members as parents could attend.  (There was also a 15-year-old following Weinland who participated on this blog during the spring and summer of 2009.)

Annointed cloths are not to be provided unless for members or their children.  What would be the point of annointing someone who doesn’t keep the sabbath?  Cloths are to be annointed with olive oil.  If done in person the oil is dabbed on the forehead.

The dunking part of baptism was discussed.  Men should not wear swim trunks, but rather dark slacks and shirt.  Ron doesn’t like to get in the pool, unless the dunkee is a feeble person and requires help. He prefers to stand on the side at a 4-foot depth and push them under.  The baptizee should be instructed not to resist being dunked but should come back up on their own.

The hotel should not be asked about wearing clothes into a pool, just do it.  Same with passover wine, just keep it in a sack when carrying it into the conference room.

During the meeting, the allocation of geographic areas between the elders. Providing good service to the deluded is important, so the closest elder should handle a member.

Weinland’s modus operandi was to make the prospective member prove themselves obedient by requiring them to show themselves to be knuckling under by keeping the sabbath and tithing.  If they weren’t showing themselves to be pliable yet willing to take care of themselves by reading the FAQs on the PKG website, then Weinland didn’t want to mess with them.  Back during the fall of 2008 I dealt with someone who would have joined, but since this person wasn’t the type to read FAQs and needed a bit of a personal touch, then a cold shoulder was the reception.  After discussing the issues for awhile, this individual came to recognize Weinland as a false prophet and moved on.

Tomorrow is 121 days prior to Ron’s scheduled return for Jesus Christ.  That’s 4 prophetic months for the remaining 5 months of torment of the fifth trumpet, and one day for the sixth trumpet.  Will the first 4 trumpets blow today to somehow fit it all in?  We’ll just have to wait and see, since God is progressively revealing Ron to be more and more of a false prophet.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland cut it short in Dallas yesterday.  The entire dis-services was just under one hour instead of the normal two hours, including the announcements and opening and closing prayers by his US evangelists Terry and Johnny.  People traveled from far and wide to hear his abbreviated sermon From outside of Texas: Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Ohio, Washington, Kentucky, Germany, and Moldova (since I have ancestors who lived there, I already knew it was a small state on the Black Sea near Odessa, Ukraine).  Ron blathered on and on with his interpretation of Daniel’s 70 years in ancient Babylonian history.  Perhaps Ron quit early being anxious to get the party started at a local member’s open house later in the afternoon.  Or maybe Laura said that she wanted to spend extra time with her childhood friend Lori Williams (now living in Mississippi) while she still has the opportunity, as being the Silent Witness is scheduled to be killed in 4 months on May 23rd at the hands of the beast power.

Ron reminded people of the significant date of January 7, 1972.  That was the end of Herbert Armstrong’s second 19-year time cycle which must be in the Bible somewhere as it’s so significant.  (A solar calendar such as the Gregorian calendar we use and a lunar calendar such as the Jewish calendar will approximately synchronize to within hours every 19 years .)  One of Weinland’s signs and lying wonders is that it is exactly 40 years from Herbie’s January 7 to his own January 7 of this year, the end of his 6th shortened half-a-280-day-time.

Not so fast Ronnie.  You don’t get to use the Gregorian calendar as a sign.  Turns out that Jan 7, 1972 was Tevet 20 on the Jewish calendar.  Jan 7 of this year was NOT Tevet 20.  Tevet 20 this year was last Sunday.  What significant event happened on these dates?  On Tevet 20, 5732 (January 7, 1972), Herbert W (doesn’t stand for anything) Armstrong was exposed as a liar.  Exactly 40 years later on Tevet 20, 5772 (last Sunday), Ronald Eugene Weinland was judged as a liar on this blog as to his “truth” that Joseph Tkach died 40 weeks to the very hour after delivering his sermon in Atlanta on 12/17/94.

In his blog posting of November 26 responding to the indictment, Ron stated “I have been waiting to find out the full details of the indictment and it has been somewhat unsettling as it simply takes time to receive all the information that it is based upon.”  His attorney’s filed a motion on December 22 with the court to obtain notes of investigation interviews with other people. The government’s case appears to be based on the testimony of others as to Ron’s activities in explanation of all the transactions covered in the 5000+ pages of discovery Ron has already been provided. The US attorney’s response to the defense motion was that under the Jencks Act it was not required to provide this information unless and until the inteviewee testified in court, and that the government did not want to volunteer this as discovery before being required to under law.

The trial judge, Danny C. Reeves, agreed with the government in an order issued on Thursday — Ronnie doesn’t get this additional discovery. So if Ronnie is really curious, he’s going to have to take the matter to trial and see who the government places on the witness stand and what they say.  I’d like to see him do that and lose as it would be further exposure of whatever he did plus he would get a longer sentence.  But he has the option of negotiating a plea agreement for lesser charges and a reduced sentence.  However, he has to get that in place during the week prior to the pre-trial conference scheduled for March 12.  Perhaps Ron is considering this, as yesterday he didn’t repeat his prophecy of Christ’s return on Pentecost.

I, Mike (DDTFA) now have a sign about a lying wonder, and I prophesy that Christ will NOT return on Pentecost.  Bow down to me and don’t forget to send me your tithes.

Last week was pretty active on this blog with both False Prophet Ronald Weinland and his most public critic (yours truly) both having media interviews, followed by exposure of at least one and possibly two false very-hour claims by the Insane Lying False Prophet.

On the legal front, the two sides have traded motions, with Weinland’s talented legal team filing a motion for the government to maintain and make available as discovery the original notes from investigatory interviews of Weinland and others.  The government responded by providing the notes of the two IRS Special Agents from their confrontation with Ron and Laura on July 2, 2008.  (This was on a Wednesday, and in the following Saturday’s sermon Ron talked about “that being” (Satan) being stirred up as the result of his having given the 50th truth sermon, but wouldn’t get into specifics.  Now we know).  As far as interviews of other people, the government has refused to provide any memorandum as discovery since under the federal law and rules of evidence they don’t have to provide this information unless and until a particular witness testifies (that would be testifying with actual words, Laura) in court.

Back to the media front:  In Ronnie’s latest blog posting, he writes:

But with our recent advertising, as of today, I have only had a request for three interviews, one of which I turned down because of the attitude of the producer and host at WGN in Chicago (assuredly, one of the first in the Church that was scattered to ever turn down WGN).

As it turns out, I had a hand in the WGN episode.  Since Ron has had 4 interviews with talk show host Mike McConnell when he was on WLW in Cincinnati, I thought they both might like to have a fifth interview.  I contacted Mike’s producer in December and pointed out Ron’s ad.  Mike’s producer was interested and wanted to have him on the program that day (a Thursday).  Ron gave Mike’s producer the brush off saying he couldn’t do it that day.  So the manifestation of the host’s (Mike McConnell’s) attitude would have been at the time of the last interview, nearly 3 years ago.

Now, although I am Ron’s critic, I am not a stalker and didn’t do this to stir things up.  Three weeks after putting out the ad and no interviews, was curious as to what he’d have to say. I thought that Ron might really want the publicity and would be comfortable dealing with Mike McConnell.  But I have a feeling that Ron knows that the other Mike also has his number by now.  Best to have your interview on a secondary market station with a host who never heard of you and your past failed prophecies so you’d have a recording to post as a sign to your deluded followers.  Who instead of asking you about other failed prophecies, would have asked you about your own.

And who knows, might have even been aware of you mixing up your own signs, saying the first trumpet blew in November of 2008 instead of December of 2008, and that the first trumpet is the economy instead exactly one-third of all plant life.  And that you predicted “nukular” explosions in US port cities 45-90 days after the blowing of the first trumpet, then changed it to within a year from March of 2009, and immediately waffled saying that God might give a little more time.

I wonder what happened to the third request that he didn’t characterize?

In Ron’s posting last week he said:

As a matter of other dates that God revealed to me, through Jesus Christ, it was given earlier that Trumpets of 2008 was the beginning of the 1335 day count in the Book of Daniel that leads up to the return of Jesus Christ on May 27, 2012.

I wonder if this was the same God who gave him the first timeline?  Has God explained why we don’t have jack-booted German soldiers marching down our streets, now less than 5 months before Pentecost?  And when this timeline fails, will he find a third God to give him yet another timeline?

I leave you with a few points from someone who was a minister for Herbert Armstrong before Weinland but who isn’t competing with Ron for followers:

• Please do not let Ron Weinland chide you for your lack of faith in his opinions.
• Please understand that the way he sees and filters the Bible through his brain is his opinion.
• Please understand that if you are to ‘prove all things’ then you have no proof that Ron is in touch with God nor God with him in any real way that can be proven.
• Please realize that any real God is not out to trick or deceive you and that these theological disasters in the making is merely due to the lack of wisdom and common sense of your pastor.
• Please give if you must.  If that is where your treasure is then let your heart follow, but please use your own common sense and provide for yourself and your own “just in case.”  Just in case is not a sin.  It is being responsible.  You know…’if a man provides not for his own household he is less than an infidel..” or something like that.
• Learn to say directly to Mr. Weinland, should the need arise, “please mind your own business on how I perceive my family responsibilities should this really be the end of the age or really not.”
• Please find a way to disconnect the ring in your nose that Ron has the lead firmly attached to.  Follow if you must but follow on your own terms.  Ron can never prove to you that his ways alone are God’s ways or that your caution is unbiblical or a total lack of faith.  Remember, Ron is actually asking you to have faith in him while he makes it sound like you are denying your faith in God.  Apples and oranges…

Dennis Diehl’s entire article can be read on the Banned! blog.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland often makes date relationships between certain events, claiming prophetic significance.  One such claim, posted on his church website as part of his 23rd “truth” is:

Joseph Tkach, Sr. died 40 weeks to the very hour that he delivered his sermon of apostasy, which was a sign to God’s Church that Jesus Christ was now coming and that final end-time events had begun.

The False Prophet repeated this in his latest blog posting:

The truth is that this apostasy occurred on December 17, 1994, when Joseph Tkach, Sr. gave his defiant sermon against the truths of God and the Church became scattered as a result of that rebellion. It was from this time that God began to reveal dates and the importance in their timing. It is astounding how anyone who was scattered can deny the importance of the timing of Joseph Tkach’s death and God’s hand in its revelation.

Joseph Tkach, Sr. rebelled against God when he declared that the Sabbaths of God were no longer binding on God’s people. It was exactly 40 Sabbaths later, to the hour, that Joseph Tkach, Sr. died. Such timing should thunder loudly to God’s people, but it hasn’t.

I decided to check into this claim.  I found the “Servant’s News” September, 1995 issue (PDF download from Servants New website).  In it, Norm Edwards includes the text of a WCG Press Release on page 2.  The text reads:

WCG Press Release:
On Saturday, September 23, 1995, Joseph W. Tkach, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God, died in Pasadena, California, Headquarters of the Worldwide Church of God., In May of this year, Mr. Tkach underwent gall bladder surgery at which time it was discovered that he had cancer. After a four-month fight with his illness, Mr. Tkach died quietly at Huntington Memorial Hospital at 2:20 p.m. (PST).

Let’s analyze this further: 2:20 PM Pacific Standard Time was 5:20 PM Eastern Standard Time.  It was also 12:20 AM IST on the following day (Sunday) and well after the sabbath had ended in Jerusalem.  Furthermore, as shown in my last post, it was almost 4 hours AFTER the time (1:30 PM EST, 10:30 PST) that Joseph Tkach was kicked out of the hall in Atlanta, ending his prophetic sermon.

Whom do I believe?  Do I believe Norm Edwards and WCG, who have no dog in this fight?  Or do I believe a demonstrated insane liar (by his own definition)?

False Prophet Ronald Weinland, your pants are on fire.  Will you correct your “truth”??  Thought not, you liar!!

False Prophet Ronald Weinland, let me put that in terms you will understand.  You are a liar, liar, liar!!!!  But really, the 40-week thing doesn’t matter.  Even if the events could be traced to be exactly 40 weeks to the very minute between Tkach’s death and the exact statement he made in Atlanta that made him the “Son of Perdition” and “Man of Sin”, it still would not trump all of your failed prophecies.  Less than 5 months before Christ returns.  Where are the jack-booted German soldiers that are supposed to be tormenting us?